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bitchkat ,

Maybe we should replace Stack Overflow with another site where experts can exchange information? We can call it “Experts Exchange”.

bitfucker ,

Expert Sex Change?

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@startrek.website avatar

Also a market there. Especially among programmers. You might be onto something.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I agree with your idea. I will be launching a website where users can share content. It will be free once knowledge should be free and we will make money by selling data…umm selling user data…umm selling T-shirts I guess. That should be enough to keep the servers running.

lord_ryvan ,

Among Rust devs? Absolutely!

https://ttrpg.network/pictrs/image/5494022d-9ff3-4aef-b97f-ba14e6eca24d.png

https://ttrpg.network/pictrs/image/cc4be6fe-a873-496e-8eb8-29641214ca2d.jpeg

Reddfugee42 ,

Yes, next to Pen Island

ShadowGlider ,

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    yokonzo ,

    I mean that’s just been a schoolyard joke for ages

    the_crotch ,

    You don’t want that shit done by an amateur

    splatsune ,

    Maybe there I can ask where to find a good pen supplier.

    deddit ,

    codidact … Stack overflow had a mass exodus of mods a 2-3 years ago and a some of them made codidact.

    fruitycoder ,

    Any discussion on making it ActivityPub enabled?

    I didn’t see any, but would be curious if anyone else had.

    Legend ,

    Lemmy could be used as a stack overflow alt also Lemmy is shitification repelent by design .

    kibiz0r ,

    First, they sent the missionaries. They built communities, facilities for the common good, and spoke of collaboration and mutual prosperity. They got so many of us to buy into their belief system as a result.

    Then, they sent the conquistadors. They took what we had built under their guidance, and claimed we “weren’t using it” and it was rightfully theirs to begin with.

    cyberpunk007 ,

    I mean, they could just do what reddit does and restore from backup automatically lol

    schnurrito ,

    Messages that people post on Stack Exchange sites are literally licensed CC-BY-SA, the whole point of which is to enable them to be shared and used by anyone for any purpose. One of the purposes of such a license is to make sure knowledge is preserved by allowing everyone to make and share copies.

    9point6 ,

    Share Alike

    I can’t wait to download my own version of the latest gpt model

    bbuez ,

    It does help to know what those funny letters mean. Now we wait for regulators to catch up…

    /tangent

    If anything, we’re a very long way from anything close to intelligent, OpenAI (and subsequently MS, being publicly traded) sold investors on the pretense that LLMs are close to being “AGI” and now more and more data is necessary to achieving that.

    If you know the internet, you know there’s a lot of garbage. I for one can’t wait for garbage-in garbage-out to start taking its toll.

    Also I’m surprised how well open source models have shaped up, its certainly worth a look. I occasionally use a local model for “brainstorming” in the loosest terms, as I generally know what I’m expecting, but it’s sometimes helpful to read tasks laid out. Also comfort in that nothing even need leave my network, and even in a pinch I got some answers when my network was offline.

    It gives a little hope while corps get to blatantly violate copyright while having wielding it so heavily, that advancements have been so great in open source.

    kerrigan778 ,

    That license would require chatgpt to provide attribution every time it used training data of anyone there and also would require every output using that training data to be placed under the same license. This would actually legally prevent anything chatgpt created even in part using this training data from being closed source. Assuming they obviously aren’t planning on doing that this is massively shitting on the concept of licensing.

    JohnEdwa ,

    CC attribution doesn’t require you to necessarily have the credits immediately with the content, but it would result in one of the world’s longest web pages as it would need to have the name of the poster and a link to every single comment they used as training data, and stack overflow has roughly 60 million questions and answers combined.

    Scrollone ,

    They don’t need to republish the 60 million questions, they just have to credit the authors, which are surely way fewer (but IANAL)

    JohnEdwa ,

    appropriate credit — If supplied, you must provide the name of the creator and attribution parties, a copyright notice, a license notice, a disclaimer notice, and a link to the material. CC licenses prior to Version 4.0 also require you to provide the title of the material if supplied, and may have other slight differences.

    Maybe that could be just a link to the user page, but otherwise I would see it as needing to link to each message or comment they used.

    theherk ,

    Maybe but I don’t think that is well tested legally yet. For instance, I’ve learned things from there, but when I share some knowledge I don’t attribute it to all the underlying sources of my knowledge. If, on the other hand, I shared a quote or copypasta from there I’d be compelled to do so I suppose.

    I’m just not sure how neural networks will be treated in this regard. I assume they’ll conveniently claim that they can’t tie answers directly to underpinning training data.

    fruitycoder ,

    IF its outputs are considered derivative works.

    kerrigan778 ,

    Ethically and logically it seems like output based on training data is clearly derivative work. Legally I suspect AI will continue to be the new powerful tool that enables corporations to shit on and exploit the works of countless people.

    fruitycoder ,

    The problem is the legal system and thus IP law enforcement is very biased towards very large corporations. Until that changes corporations will continue, as they already were, exploiting.

    I don’t see AI making it worse.

    General_Effort ,

    They are not. A derivative would be a translation, or theater play, nowadays, a game, or movie. Even stuff set in the same universe.

    Expanding the meaning of “derivative” so massively would mean that pretty much any piece of code ever written is a derivative of technical documentation and even textbooks.

    So far, judges simply throw out these theories, without even debating them in court. Society would have to move a lot further to the right, still, before these ideas become realistic.

    Fedizen ,

    primary use for AI is self destructing your website.

    praise_idleness ,

    Pleasing tech illiterate sharholders

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    Remember when adding the word blockchain to an Iced Tea company’s name caused share prices to jump?

    kureta ,

    is this real? I can’t tell anymore.

    Syrc ,

    I googled it and I wish it wasn’t

    pete_the_cat ,

    a little-known micro-cap stock called Long Island Iced Tea Corp. (LTEA) said Thursday that it’s now “Long Blockchain Corp.,” and its stock leaped more than 200 percent at the open of trading. Shares closed up 183 percent.

    🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

    This is like my friend who “invested” in Doggy (not Doge) coin “because it was going to explode and become highly valuable” even though it was only worth like .1% of what Doge was worth like two years back… He’s a teacher.

    Or my other friend that invested thousands in Etherium like 2 years back, while knowing basically nothing about “The Etherium Network”, or anything crypto related. He just knew that he could potentially make money off of it like he could with stocks. I asked him like a year later if he ever made anything off of it and he said “not really”, and said he had reinvested the money into other things (I forget which, it wasn’t crypto related) 🤣

    dependencyinjection ,

    I dunno. AlphaFold 3 is pretty big.

    avidamoeba , (edited )
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    Time to download the last dump: archive.org/details/stackexchange

    E: Seeding.

    catalog3115 ,

    Can we change our answers? Change your answers to garbage, don’t delete them. Do it slowly.

    yamanii ,
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    In the article the dude was banned for 7 days for changing his answer.

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    So wait a few days, then do it slowly.

    spikederailed ,

    I’m almost sure the site has already been scrapped of current contest for the LLM.

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    Yup, but that’s not the point IMO, it’s to remove quality content from the site so visitors see how crappy it is and stop using it.

    olympicyes ,

    Great idea. Then I’ll turn to ChatGPT for higher quality answers.

    abhibeckert , (edited )

    If you have low karma, then edits are reviewed by multiple people before the edit is saved. That’s primarily in place to prevent spam, who could otherwise post a valid question then edit it a few months later transforming the message into a link to some shitty website.

    Even with high karma, that just means your edit is temporarily trusted. It’s gets reviewed and will be reverted if it’s a bad edit.

    And any time an edit is reverted, that’s a knock against your karma. There’s a community enforced requirement for all edits to be a measurable improvement.

    Even moderation decisions are reviewed by multiple people - so if someone rejects a post because it’s spam, when they should have rejected it because it’s off topic (or approved it) then that is also going to be caught and undone. And any harmful contribution (edit or moderation decision) will result in your action being undone and your karma going down. If your karma goes down too fast, your access to the site is revoked. If you do something really bad, then they’ll ban your IP address.

    Moderators can also lock a controversial post, so only people with high karma can touch it at all.

    … keep in mind Stack Overflow doesn’t just allow editing your own posts, you can edit any content on the website, similar to wikipedia.

    It’s honestly a good overall approach, but around when Jeff Attwood left in 2008 it started drifting off course towards the shit show that is stack overflow today.

    catalog3115 ,

    It’s a shame, only corporate are going to be benefiting from hard work & labour of so many talented people.

    olympicyes ,

    If the Stack Overflow site remains available then it still serves the same purpose it did before. I personally use ad blockers and don’t pay to use the site, which must not be cheap to operate. The bigger problem is if talented people refuse to share their expertise with people like me because they aren’t being compensated for their efforts.

    SuperSpruce ,

    Weren’t all the answers already trained on ChatGPT last year?

    chemicalwonka ,
    @chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Reddit did almost the same and don’t forget guys to delete your Reddit account

    frostysauce ,

    It won’t matter, they would have all of your comments archived already. Even if you overwrite them AI will be scraping the copies they keep.

    Fedizen ,

    it creates a lot of poisoned data especially if you like edit half your posts with nonsense

    realharo ,

    That’s trivial to filter if you just look at how much time has passed between posting and editing.

    Fedizen ,

    sure, but the more you fuck with the data, the more it requires curating, the less valuable it becomes. I’m not entirely sure places like reddit even retain full edit history for posts over a year old.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    I am alright, nothing interesting on there.

    Allero ,

    Still some narrow scope communities holding some people back (but it changes slowly).

    Also, variety of porn is still better there (but lemmynsfw.com for the win)

    TheGrandNagus ,

    I got banned anyway lol. Reddit made it easy.

    floofloof ,

    If we can’t delete our questions and answers, can we poison the well by uploading masses of shitty questions and answers? If they like AI we could have it help us generate them.

    pivot_root ,

    Poison the well by using AI-generated comments and answers. There isn’t currently a way to reliably determine if content is human or AI-generated, and training AI on AI is the equivalent of inbreeding.

    T00l_shed ,

    Sounds good then.

    100_kg_90_de_belin ,

    Stackalabama Exchange

    trolololol ,

    The poison was there all along the way. The poison is us

    Inserts spider man meme

    VirtualOdour ,

    You are literally the same mentality as the coal rollers

    Tech that could improve life for everyone and instead of using it to make open source software or coding solutions to problems you attack it like a crab in a bucket simply because you fear change.

    CthulhuDreamer ,

    I am not deleting anything. They can have all of my poorly written misleading answers.

    dubyakay ,

    I’ll just keep asking copilot about the damn exceptions until the effin code works. Na-na-nah!

    possiblylinux127 ,

    I don’t think a lot of people are crying

    archomrade ,

    Data should be socialized and machine learning algorithms should be nationalized for public use.

    explodicle ,

    Better yet, copyright should be abolished completely.

    spez_ ,

    Public+ no copyright

    assassin_aragorn ,

    It should stay for creative works but that’s it. It should protect people who actually write books, compose music, make art, and sing. It shouldn’t be held by corporations forever by leeching off their workers.

    laurelraven , (edited )

    Creative works of individuals specially… Corporations should explicitly be deemed not people and not possessing of the same rights as people and the fact that needs to be said just goes to show how far down the shit hole we’ve fallen

    Olhonestjim ,

    Corporations should be outlawed from owning houses and land as well. Maybe they can own the building, but they must be forced to rent the land from Us.

    WldFyre ,

    Wouldn’t that make AI training data easier to obtain?

    explodicle ,

    No, you can already legally download copyrighted data and use it for training.

    WldFyre ,

    That’s what I thought, that’s why I was confused about your reply haha

    My bad!

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    I think you just invented the public library

    SeattleRain ,

    Were they trying to protect ChatGPT from all the bad and convoluted answers?

    rimjob_rainer ,

    While I think the reaction of StackOverflow is not good, I don’t understand the users either.

    EDIT: seems like the language model won’t be free, I understand then.

    assassin_aragorn ,

    OpenAI is a terribly misleading name.

    frostysauce ,

    OpenUpYourWalletforAI

    JohnEdwa ,

    That is how it started. It was a non-profit with the goal to release all their patents and research for free.

    That lasted for a few years, and then the people running it realized they could instead all become filthy rich and nobody could do anything about it. So they did that.

    But don’t worry, they are a capped for-profit now! They can only make 100 time the amount of money as they have investments. So they’ll stop when they have reached … checks notes… Around $1.3 trillion.

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