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Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

victron ,
@victron@lemmy.world avatar

And I’m pretty sure their youtube premium ads are going to be more annoying.

DozensOfDonner ,

youtube has premium?

Lobo6780 ,

Yeah and now I’m Gucci staying at 29,99 try per month paying with Turkish lira being in Poland and paying 4,50 zł instead of 29,99 zł. Very good deal google :)

CaptPretentious ,

We believe this new price reflects the value of YouTube Premium

I disagree. YouTube offers nothing without the content creators. While reason I ever started using it because TotalBiscuit made a good case for it. But I have to say, while they keep jacking up prices I don’t feel like I’m getting anything more. I never asked for YT Music and would gladly take a discount to have it removed.

Keep fucking around and find out Google, I got no issues going back to ad blockers. Whole reason I got premium was to support those I watch and all I ever hear is how Google is fucken them over.

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

I mean, if you actually care about the content creators, YouTube premium is almost universally praised for paying content creators considerably more than ads do.

gendulf ,

I disagree. YouTube offers nothing without the content creators.

While yes, they depend on the creators, many of those creators would not make any money without a platform like YouTube. I don’t like the price raising, but YouTube stores your videos for free, and makes it easy to monetize content.

FeelzGoodMan420 , (edited )

Youtube premium is pretty pointless when ublock origin exists.

Edit: sorry should have clarified. I meant in terms of blocking ads. I realize that you still can’t play youtube videos and switch apps.

okamiueru ,

Paying for a service you enjoy is surely not pointless?

BeezKnuts ,
@BeezKnuts@lemmy.world avatar

It is when a free alternative which offers more features and is easier to set up exists.

okamiueru ,

There are definitely better front-end alternatives to YouTube. But… they contribute nothing to the people who make the content that you want to use those front-ends for. I pay for YouTube premium, but I still sometimes use other methods for consuming it. So, take this for what it’s worth: by all means, use the free alternatives, etc. But the whole “don’t pay for it if it is free” is shortsighted.

frippa ,
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

I enjoy breathing air, I would not pay for it, why should I pay for YouTube w/o ads when a free alternative (ublock origin + sponsorblock + misc. extentions) exist and it’s better? (not regionlocked for example, another big one is that it’s… Free)

okamiueru ,

It’s not really an accurate analogy, nor is this concept complicated enough to warrant one. Content creators (air makers?) need to sustain themselves with the revenue their work grants them. People who circumvent this like you, add to the running cost of YouTube but contribute nothing in return. I personally despise advertisement of all forms, so I understand your motivation to do so. I would even encourage it if you have no other means. But, to justify it in the way you do seems intellectually and/or morally dishonest.

HalfJack ,

Does this work on mobile? I only pay for premium to get rid of ads and to allow the video to keep playing when I use other apps.

Bigmouse ,

If you have android, you might wanna check out ReVanced. I cant imagine youtube without it

DirigibleMarsupial ,

You can block the YouTube ads in Firefox for Android by using the free uBlock Origin add-on.

Or if you want to block even more annoying things, like sponsored segments / paid promotions or even off-topic sections (using highly customisable options) and also add additional features, like being able to play the audio while the screen is off and playing YouTube in a mini window, you can get the free Android app YouTube ReVanced.

sebinspace ,

I use it to listen to things while I drive without having to listen to ads or keep my phone’s screen on. The music is a bonus, but I do quite miss Google Play Music

Gestrid ,

I meant in terms of blocking ads. I realize that you still can’t play youtube videos and switch apps.

Yeah, good thing ReVanced gives us that instead.

sheilzy ,

I realize that you still can’t play youtube videos and switch apps

You can do that with ReVanced though!

JshKlsn ,
@JshKlsn@lemmy.ml avatar

Nah.

I can use YouTube on any of my devices on any network and don’t worry about ever seeing an ad. It’s nice.

Sure, you can use revanced, pi hole, ublock origin, etc, but whenever they break, or have short down times where ads sneak in until the filters get updates, it’s just not worth the effort.

dingus ,

I’ve rarely ever had issues with adblockers. Install one and it works totally fine for multiple years until you might need to install a new adblocker.

JshKlsn ,
@JshKlsn@lemmy.ml avatar

And when you need to block ads on a friends phone? roku tv? android tv? apple tv? iphone or ipad? android phone or tablet?

Sure, pi hole can work, until you leave the house. Some phones can be rooted to use an adblocker, but that’s not practical for everyone. You can use DNS blocking, but that means all of your traffic is tunneled through a random DNS you can hopefully trust.

It’s just a lot. It’s possible, but you really need to manage it and keep it working. When a solution is killed, you gotta find a new solution.

It’s just easier to pay for the family plan. Keeps everything working, and my family isn’t hitting me up for tech support every other day because they broke something.

If you only watch on your PC, or you only watch at home, adblock or pi hole is great. Set it and forget it. I watch YouTube on plenty of devices across plenty of networks and don’t want to deal with it.

Phat_Albert ,

I have YouTube premium and totally agree with you.

One workaround though, although it’s a bit of a pain,is that you can VPN into your home network and have the benefits of pihole when on mobile or using an iPad.

dingus ,

And when you need to block ads on a friends phone? roku tv? android tv? apple tv? iphone or ipad? android phone or tablet?

I’m not understanding why I would want to try to block ads on a friend’s phone unless they asked me how to get rid of them. But for the other stuff, it’s super easy.

On a PC: Install any random adblocker your browser allows. Most browsers have an addon or extension store that you can go it with only a few clicks and install one quickly and hassle free. Once you install it, there is no setup required and no maintenance or fiddling required.

On Android phones: Install YouTube Revanced. It’s an app. You have to download and install I believe two apps. You don’t have to root your phone or do anything special at all. Just download and install and forget about it for the next several years.

On Android based Smart TVs (Chromecast, Fire Stick, etc.): Install SmartTube. It’s as easy as downloading and installing a single app. You don’t have to root your device. It’s incredibly simple and no more complicated than downloading almost any other random app. There is no complicated setup, configuration, or maintenance. Just download and install and forget about it for the next several years.

So there you go. It’s not complex at all. A non root installation of two to three simple apps (plus an adblocker that you should have on your browser anyway) has all of my devices set for literally anywhere on the planet I can go. You’re really exaggerating how complicated it is and how often you need to install a new app or how often it breaks (maybe once every 5 or so years you install a different easy to install and use app).

I will admit, iOS stuff is a little trickier. I don’t personally own any iOS devices, but I think it does make it a bit more complex to install adblocking apps on them. So I suppose if you only have iOS devices I could see why you choose to skip this stuff. It’s doable, just more involved. On Android, you literally download, install, and just go and are totally set for multiple years.

Sure, pi hole can work, until you leave the house. Some phones can be rooted to use an adblocker, but that’s not practical for everyone. You can use DNS blocking, but that means all of your traffic is tunneled through a random DNS you can hopefully trust.

I have heard of pihole, but I don’t believe it’s a common solution. This part I agree with you…it’s overly complex and you need a lot of tech knowledge to set something like that up and maintain it. Couple that with the downside of it literally only working at home and I don’t really understand why people go this route.

It’s just a lot. It’s possible, but you really need to manage it and keep it working. When a solution is killed, you gotta find a new solution.

You really, really don’t need to constantly manage all of this stuff to keep it working. And it’s really not complex at all. It’s as easy as downloading and installing one or two apps or installing one adblocker extension to your browser. Then you forget about it. There is zero maintenance involved. Maybe once every 5 years you might have to install a different app, but there is no advanced skills needed and there is no maintenance needed. Things do not constantly break and need maintenance. I don’t do any maintenance and nothing just randomly kills itself.

YouTube aside, I have no idea how anyone can find browsing the internet at all tolerable without an adblocker extension on their browser. Are you not inundated with ads on every site that is not YouTube? Do you just deal with intrusive ads everywhere else?

FeelzGoodMan420 ,

I literally haven’t ever had ublock origin or pihole fail on me but whatever.

WhiteHawk ,

Increasing the price of a service that is already piss-poor value for your money is incredibly smart. Who the hell is gonna pay 14$ per month just to get rid of ads?

EssentialCoffee ,

Well, I pay money to get rid of ads on Twitch, but I watch… a lot of hours of Twitch.

I imagine if someone watches as much Youtube as I watch Twitch, it’d likely be worth it for them.

Gestrid ,

Adblockers work on Twitch, though it can take a little doing. Twitch in particular doesn’t ike adblockers, but you can still block the blockers blocking your adblocker if you do it rights.

EssentialCoffee ,

They do, but I like the creators I don’t subscribe to to still get paid what little ad revenue they can for my views. I don’t believe creators get paid anything if you’re using an ad blocker while an ad is running.

lyam23 ,

It also includes YouTube Music. Yes, I know, many will say they value proposition it’s still poor even with that. Honestly it’s worth it to me. I subscribe to the family plan because we watch a lot of YouTube and listen to a lot of music. No ads plus unlimited music for 4 people is worth it to us.

MeltedLiquid ,

Yeah same here, I use the hell out of my Youtube Premium. Though the biggest feature lately has been 0 ads on content, as the majority of my video streaming is from Youtube.

Hung_Like_Hodor ,

Same I get a lot of use out of the family plan. My group of friends just exchange various family plans to save money. I take care of YouTube, another friend Spotify, etc. I absolutely hate ads and can work around them but still like supporting my favorite channels. I’ve been on YouTube for well over a decade and is pretty much my main video entertainment, so well worth it.

garretble ,
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

I will (and do currently). I watch a bunch of YouTube on my TV through an AppleTV, and it’s the easiest way to get no ads and also support the people I watch.

doggle ,

I suspect that most existing subscribers won’t even notice that the price is increasing and will keep letting it charge them anyway. AOL still makes money this way.

And not everyone is as savvy to set up an ad blocker, especially on mobile.

As for value, that’s always subjective. There are probably people who would argue that is more than worth their money. Not me though.

soulifix ,

People who’re gullible. I’m sure Twitch thought the same thing when their subscription service is exactly the same thing. $12 a month, just to remove ads. On top of them assuming you have Prime too, which is $15. So they want you paying $27 to get rid of ads.

jerdle_lemmy ,

Revanced still costs $0/month.

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

Newpipe = all the pros of YT Red, none of the cons, and you don’t need root. 🤌🏼

Cavemanfreak ,

You don’t need root for Revanced either!

jerdle_lemmy ,

NewPipe’s great, but it’s less useful because I prefer some features it doesn’t have (like the ability to log in).

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

🤓 Uh, logging in is a feature of NP…

jerdle_lemmy ,

Wait, is it? Switched to Revanced because NP wouldn’t let me.

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

Either’s cool, no judgement 🙌🏽

Beelzebubba ,

Revanced still pays $0.00 to content creators.

jerdle_lemmy ,

Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn.

Beelzebubba ,

How you personally feel about it is immaterial. Im simply pointing out to anyone reading this that your “revanced costs 0” line is only part of the story. I want the people who are making the stuff I watch to get paid. It cost them time and money to make it so its only fair they see some recompense. I dont like ads, so I pay for youtube premium. You do you.

Hung_Like_Hodor ,

Agreed. Perhaps for some others it isn’t worth it but YouTube has been my main source of video entertainment since 2010 and I want to support the creators I watch so they can continue to make great content and without fear of censoring their videos for the sake of ad revenue.

feedum_sneedson ,

Imagine paying that, damn.

wholeofthemoon ,

Could be $20 I don’t really care when I get music included. Yet you people are paying similar price for one music service aka Spotify lol

feedum_sneedson ,

What do you mean “you people”?

theyresocool ,

They gave me 3 months free and it was just the same broken website without ads.

Youtube is completely broken. The algorithm doesn’t even auto play undiscovered music or videos. It’s just serving me the exact same videos I already watched. It used to be a really fun and good service that was free and now you get shit and have to pay for it.

Why would anyone pay for that?

Is anyone running the company or are they all just doing drugs?

xavier666 ,

Good for the users =/= good for the shareholders

Linssiili ,

Unfortunately you need to (at least in my experience) purge the feed couple times a year. Just use “not interested” with a heavy hand and a light heart. It tends to recommend new stuff after that.

Jakeroxs ,

My wife and I watch certain YouTubers more then we watch TV, and use a TV to do it, so it’s pretty nice not having any ads and we don’t really rely on the algo at all.

Gestrid ,

If you’re using a smart TV running any version of Android (Fire TV, etc.) or you’re using a device that plugs into your TV that’s running Android, you can use SmartTube to watch YouTube if you want.

It blocks ads, it’s got SponsorBlock, and it supports casting from somewhere else (like your phone’s YouTube app). It’s also pretty customizable, too.

Jakeroxs ,

I’ll check out SmartTube, tho I also rely on Yt Music quite a bit and Yt Prem comes with that as well

Gestrid ,

ReVanced supports YouTube Music on Android, and it includes the ability to block ads and enable playing music in the background, among other things.

jeanofthedead ,
@jeanofthedead@lemmy.world avatar

So… another 50 cents if purchased through India?

BaldrOdinson ,

Lol. Theres already no way I’d pay for YouTube premium. Raising the price more and more just entrenches that more and more.

Techmaster ,

Exactly. If you want me to subscribe, lower the price! Don’t these corporations do some kind of analysis, where if you lower prices, you get more subs and more money…or raise prices, less subs, and overall less money. The soda companies are the same way. It used to be $3 for a case of soda, now it’s $7+. I’ve noticed that since they did that, the soda aisle at my local grocery stores is about half the size it used to be.

Sev ,
@Sev@feddit.uk avatar

Price hikes suck but; I’m happy with YT premium, we watch a lot on TV (apple tv) and I skip between ipad and iphone every day. By all means if there’s an EASY alternative that doesn’t involve some janky bedroom api side loading jailbreaking shiz, i’m all ears though…

I had some crappy youtube thing on firestick before I upgraded to appletv and it was crap, ad free was nice but it was horrible and would always stop working in some form or fashion, it was a pain to maintain so I just paid for prem in the end.

I never watch on PC outside of short tutorial videos so browser addons are kinda redundant.

xts ,

Less than 1 year of premium can buy an Nvidia Shield that you can install any YouTube app you desire, including the ones with no ads and SponsorBlock built in.

Along with the fact that even when you pay for premium Google still sucks you dry for user data they can sell it’s not hard to see why people are completely unsympathetic to YouTube as a corporation.

They’ve also removed free features and locked them behind a monthly cost. Yeah nah, fuck Google.

USSEthernet , (edited )

The amount of downvotes on comments trying to help people not get price gouged and comments supporting these subscription price increases shows me just how many corporate shills are actually out there. No wonder these corps keep getting away with this bullshit.

Edit: Wow so many people took personal offense to this…almost like it they know it’s true but are afraid to admit it. Everyone is hurting financially right now, some more than others. Yet year over year, the prices keep going up even with record inflation and record profits. Keep shilling folks, enjoy emptying your wallets for the millionaires while you struggle.

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    decenthuman ,

    Ads are going to pay for it either way.

    Shrek ,

    Do you actually know that? I would bet that the cost of hosting the damn near infinite amount of content on YouTube would probably actually outweigh the amount they make on ads. At least if every other platform is to go off of.

    decenthuman ,

    It absolutely costs a lot. Google also has a borderline monopoly for online advertising.

    That’s on top of absolutely harvesting your data and selling it as well. You’re acting like Google is a non-profit or some shit. They’re a giant corporation that doesnt give a shit about you.

    I say this as someone with a google phone and generally likes Google products. But you’ve got to take a step back and realize what they are.

    devil_d0c ,

    You’re getting down voted to hell, but I totally agree. Using someones else’s YT account or using it at work is so jarring because I am used to a 100% ad-free experience. It’s a good value to me, I’m not going to cry about paying $15 a month for a service I literally use multiple hours a day.

    zefiax ,

    Ya how dare people actually pay for a platform that hosts billions of videos and streams to billions of users essentially lag free and is actually decent and shares revenue with it’s content creators. /s

    Things cost money. You don’t have to be a corporate shill to not expect everything to be free, you just have to be an adult.

    mrmanager ,
    @mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

    Google is one of the richest companies in the world.

    zefiax , (edited )

    Ok? And? They aren’t a charity and don’t owe you free video hosting services.

    EDIT: I find it hilarious that point out the fact that you aren’t entitled to free hosting services is getting down voted. Lmao how old are the people here?

    mrmanager ,
    @mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

    No but I’m not going to pay Google for anything. It’s obscene to give them even more money.

    zefiax ,

    Whether you think that service is worth it or not is up to you.

    But don’t act like you have some moral high ground here and that people who are actually paying for a service that you are stealing from and a service that actually shares revenue with it’s content creators and encourages independent creators are just corporate shills.

    Some of us are adults and realize things cost money and not entitled children that expect everything for free.

    dezmd ,
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

    And some of us are adults that don’t have your innate need to wield your moral high ground like a smug pedantic asshole.

    zefiax ,

    I am not the one calling anyone who isn’t pirating a corporate shill.

    dezmd ,
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

    And yet that’s obivously not what this thread’s context was before you started self-jerking to moral superiority.

    Have some self awareness.

    This isn’t a Wendys Drive Thru.

    zefiax ,

    Here, since you have difficulty following, let me copy where the original thread started.

    The amount of downvotes on comments trying to help people not get price gouged and comments supporting these subscription price increases shows me just how many corporate shills are actually out there. No wonder these corps keep getting away with this bullshit.

    I am not the one who started the moral superiority, I just disagreed at being called a “corporate shill” before a bunch of insecure assholes started losing their shit.

    Maybe try having self awareness yourself before suggesting it to someone else.

    dezmd ,
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

    Self inserting as a main character to claim you’ve been attacked so you can shill your moral superiority is the cherry on top of your bullshit sundae.

    Sharkwellington ,

    And I don’t owe them a subscription if I don’t agree with the value they’ve placed on it. Free market, baby. 👍

    zefiax ,

    Sure, absolutely, you don’t. No one is claiming otherwise.

    Sharkwellington ,

    You seem oddly offended at the idea people wouldn’t lol. I don’t know why you’re taking this so personally.

    zefiax ,

    No I just think it’s stupid to call people who would pay for a service a corporate shill. I have no issue with someone who doesn’t think a subscription is worth it. Maybe read the whole thread first next time.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    They were already being paid and profitable, both from direct cash and ad revenue, but that doesn’t ever seem to be enough.

    zefiax ,

    You are free to disagree with their pricing and cancel a subscription if you have one. That’s how the free market works.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    “Free market works” is by itself a very questionable statement.

    But there sure are some more options beyond that. Although some people think we shouldn’t be free to pick them.

    zefiax ,

    You are free to pick w.e you want. That doesn’t make someone actually paying for a decent platform a corporate shill.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    Our definitions of “decent” are definitely different. But this is not just about what you choose to do, it’s about all the fingerwagging people do at people who don’t believe this is worth paying (even more) for.

    zefiax ,

    The only finger wagging going on is people calling people corporate shills for actually paying for a service.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    Then you need to look better because you are down a thread pointing out how people are getting downvoted and ragged on for suggesting ad blocking options.

    I find it hilarious that point out the fact that you aren’t entitled to free hosting services is getting down voted.

    Actually nevermind. Just look at the mirror. You really are talking of Google like it’s a struggling charity.

    zefiax ,

    Then you need to look better because you are down a thread pointing out how people are getting downvoted and ragged on for suggesting ad blocking options.

    No I am a thread calling people corporate shills for disagreeing with people saying we should all be pirating.

    Actually nevermind. Just look at the mirror. You really are talking of Google like it’s a struggling charity.

    It doesn’t matter how rich google is, it doesn’t owe you video hosting services. It’s not a charity. You can disagree with their pricing and you can find another platform if you like. But services cost money and just because a company has money through other sources doesn’t mean they need to subsidize all their products.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    It doesn’t matter how rich google is

    Of course it does. Not only Google has plenty of money to keep it running, don’t even try to make a moral argument out of one of these companies stripmining everyone’s data

    If you care so much about the costs of hosting, I hope you donate to the Lemmy.

    zefiax ,

    Of course it does. Not only Google has plenty of money to keep it running, don’t even try to make a moral argument out of one of these companies stripmining everyone’s data

    No it absolutely does not. It is a business, not a charity. They don’t owe anyone anything for free. That’s how the world works. Your personal data is a part of the fee you pay for the service. And again no one is forcing anyone to use that service. There are plenty of alternatives like Nebula that the content creators themselves have set up. You are free to just not use it if you don’t like it.

    If you care so much about the costs of hosting, I hope you donate to the Lemmy.

    I am new to Lemmy but I absolutely will just as I donate to wikipedia. If it is giving me value, then I am happy to support it financially up to the point where I think the finances are equal to the value I am receiving in return.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    How the world works is that people get what they can get away with, and we who are on the bottom ought to keep that in mind instead of idealizing a model of fairness that only helps those who are already powerful get away with more.

    Instead, if you do care about fairness, think more about those who need it.

    Nebula is a fair suggestion though, because at least that directly helps the creators without constraining them to whatever advertisers want.

    zefiax ,

    How the world works is that people get what they can get away with, and we who are on the bottom ought to keep that in mind instead of idealizing a model of fairness that only helps those who are already powerful get away with more.

    It works that way because ultimately that’s what drives competition and innovation. I am open to a more fair alternative however I am aware of none that has actually been successful.

    Instead, if you do care about fairness, think more about those who need it.

    I said things have a cost and I think based on the market alternatives, what YT is charging is still fair. You may disagree and that is your right to. I did not imply however that the world itself is fair or even needs to be fair. It’s not and never has been and whether is should be is a much bigger philosophical debate outside of just YT pricing.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    We are in Lemmy through rising enshittification of the internet and you still believe that Big Tech sucking up all data and charging more for worse services everyday is what drives innovation? That everyone gotta bend over and give up what they say they are owed? C’mon…

    Do you even use the internet without ad blockers?

    If you think that’s the right and proper way to go about it, feel free. I’ll still handle things my way.

    zefiax ,

    We are in Lemmy through rising enshittification of the internet and you still believe that Big Tech sucking up all data and charging more for worse services everyday is what drives innovation? That everyone gotta bend over and give up what they say they are owed? C’mon…

    Big tech getting greedy is how we got reddit in the first place. And reddit getting too greedy is what is leading to lemmy. So ya it is driving innovation. People either think it’s worth it or driven to develop an better or suitable alternative.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    So what you are saying is that supporting alternatives is more beneficial to innovation than paying declining Big Tech incumbents more.

    zefiax ,

    I am saying you pay for something as long as you think it’s worth it and as long as you think it’s working and improving and then support an alternative when you don’t. Things getting too expensive for their value has been a cornerstone to driving new innovation throughout history.

    Mr_Blott ,

    Would just like to interject; while I agree with what you’re saying, and yes, lots of people think an amazing service should be free, which is wrong… But YouTube/Google is now 100% beholden to their shareholders, and this, plus the last couple of price rises, is gouging to make some millionaires richer and is fucking despicable

    zefiax ,

    That’s for consumers to decide. If people still pay for it and think it’s worth their money, then they aren’t really gouging, they were just under priced. If people don’t and start cancelling their subscriptions, they have over priced it and now need to bring the price back down. For me personally, Netflix is the one teetering on that point, YT isn’t there yet.

    Gork ,

    Dude they sell our data to advertisers and big data for profit. The least they can do is provide some services for us for the amount of analytics they collect from us on a daily basis.

    zefiax ,

    As someone who’s actually worked in this industry, your data isn’t enough to pay for video hosting services to the scale youtube provides. Youtube makes up a significant chunk of all network traffic in the world. It costs money.

    ttr ,

    You’re a content creator, aren’t you? 🤣

    zefiax ,

    No i am not. But I am happy to support actual content creators and the platform that they host on and gets them the most views because I spend more time on YT than I do on any other streaming platform.

    PeleSpirit ,

    But I am happy to support actual content creators and the platform that they host on and gets them the most views

    It’s too bad youtube doesn’t do that, lol.

    zefiax ,

    I mean that is objectively not true.

    Shrek ,

    They pay content creators more than any other platform to my understanding. I think the exception is kik (kick?) The streaming platform.

    xts ,

    Too bad you constantly have to be worried about dumb policy changes that can affect your older videos which can mean cutting off those revenue sources

    Also I’ve never seen another platform that demonetizes content as much as YouTube does.

    Shrek ,

    Both very fair points. But, there is no other platform that even compares for real.

    ComplacentGoat ,
    @ComplacentGoat@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Dude, they ARE the advertiser. That’s Google’s main business. They have no incentive to export ANY of your account data to 3rd parties. Business tell them what groups of people to advertise to, and their systems handle the rest. They’re open about how it all works.

    Thadrax ,

    I get that, but the vast majority of content creators seem to make their money with sponsorships or their own ads, so most of what google is doing is content distribution, not creation. Which makes the amount of money they want for that seem ridiculous when pretty much every other streaming service that produces high profile and expensive shows themselves is way cheaper.

    This feels like your supermarket requiring entrance fees in addition to you having to pay for stuff you actually buy.

    zefiax ,

    Youtube spends more on revenue sharing than some big streaming services do on content creation. Content creators who also have sponsored segments are essentially double dipping but that’s on the content creator.

    Also I don’t know how much it is in the US, but in Canada, YT is one of the cheapest streaming services if not the cheapest, and I get way more value out of youtube than I do from Netflix, Crave, Prime, or Disney+.

    Thadrax ,

    I don’t know about the revenue sharing. But in Germany, youtube premium is 12€, Amazon prime and Disney is 9€, Paramount is 8€ and Apple tv is 7€. Only Netflix is the same price for hd or more expensive with 18€ for 4k.

    ConfirmingMoose ,

    I see.

    We are at fault for youtube giving shit away for free. We are responsible for youtube’s profits.

    We not only need to offer content FOR FREE to youtube … but then accept that we must pay youtube for our content.

    Get fucked.

    zefiax ,

    Before telling others to get fucked, maybe learn to read and grow the fuck up.

    YT shares revenue with content creators. No one is offering shit for free.

    Things cost money, wether you think the service is worth it or not is up to you, but no one owes you shit just because you are an entitled prick.

    ConfirmingMoose ,

    I am a grown up. But I have little tolerance for corporate cheerleaders of any shape or sound.

    zefiax ,

    Ok feel free to build your own alternative.

    ConfirmingMoose ,

    Oh take your ball and go home already.

    zefiax ,

    You should take your own advice. Your bs hasn’t worked.

    BaldrOdinson ,

    It’s surprising to me. First moment I’ve thought maybe Lemmy is a worse place to be. Is there really that many astroturfing trolls here? Yikes.

    Ado ,

    I can afford $13/month on my income and watch YT on a daily basis, much more than any other streaming service by a wide margain. Does that somehow make me an astroturfing troll?

    deweydecibel , (edited )

    I’m not going to defend the price increase, but a lot of comments in here are just aimless hatred of the idea of paying anything, ever.

    Pound for pound, YouTube Premium has been a decent deal at $10. Has been. This is pushing it, but there’s a lot of comments that seem absolutely indignant at the idea of paying YouTube period (and by extension the content creators).

    There’s got to be some room for nuance here. The internet is plagued by advertising and paywalls, yes, but it can also not exist without them, so we find some middle ground.

    MagicalPanda ,
    @MagicalPanda@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve been using the internet for over 24 years. I can tell you that the internet can survive without ads or paywalls. Ads and paywalls are a product of greed. Ads are way more efficient these days but many used to take up so much memory. I remember when AdBlock or whatever it was called came out. It made browsing the internet smoother.

    atomWood ,

    The only way the internet can survive without ads or paywalls is for the person/business hosting the content to pay for everything out of pocket.

    A platform like YouTube could never exist without some form of revenue. I understand that there are small platforms out there, such as PeerTube, but they will never be comparable to the scale of YouTube without some form of revenue. Sure, people could grow PeerTube by spinning up their own instances, but then they need to provide their own hardware and storage. At which point you’re spending just as much, or likely more, than you would on a subscription service.

    variants ,

    I think its possible it will just be slow and requires people to sacrifice a bit just like we are trying to do with lemmy. maybe find a different route for ads like how Brave the browser does it where it give the user the choice to see ads and give them and the content creator a cut if they agree to it, not that I trust that browser but its an interesting concept

    Karza ,

    It can definitely exist without advertising and paywalls. It just going to be smaller.

    persolb ,

    Yeah. We can’t have free, privacy, and creators that eat. Pick two.

    (We might end up paying and getting neither privacy or paid creators… but at least it is worth the attempt to do things right.)

    marmo7ade ,

    I like how you can insult people by calling them a shill because they support youtube premium, but if I insult you, mods delete me comment. Nice double standards. You are a child who thinks they are entitled.

    USSEthernet ,

    You can say what you want to or about me, I honestly don’t care. I didn’t even see what you said or report it. Have fun emptying your wallet for your corpo overlords.

    mrmanager ,
    @mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

    Poeple think they are sharing their enormous profits with creators. Maybe they get a few bucks from the billions.

    bandario ,
    @bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I think what you are seeing here so far is the organic result of those dumb enough to pay this kind of money for youtube being personally offended and defending their bad decisions.

    We will get there but I’m not sure that this platform is large enough to be a major target for corpo bots just yet. Just dummies.

    ZodiacSF1969 ,

    Yet year over year, the prices keep going up even with record inflation

    Well yeh, that’s what inflation is…

    soulifix ,

    I don’t understand what shilling will earn for these people. The corps don’t care about you. They never will and never have. Do these shills think there’s some comfy bonus to be gained if they wave their flag around in support of greedy practices?

    SpeedLimit55 ,

    This feels like they are trying to recover revenue lost from the NFL Sunday Ticket deal they made.

    gutter564 ,

    That’s nice. continues to enjoy effectively yt premium with NewPiped for free

    Rookiewtf ,

    It crashes decently often but still worth it

    daniskarma ,

    It has never crashed for me. Not once. In what device are you using it?

    Tb0n3 ,

    ReVanced is the way.

    VioletteRei ,
    @VioletteRei@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t find a way to download easily videos like on Youtube Premium, do you know how?

    Historical_General ,
    @Historical_General@lemmy.world avatar

    You can enable it on settings, you’ll probably have to download one of the suggested apps that do this, newpipe is probably best.

    Tb0n3 ,

    Yeah. You have to download in an external app. That was something I did use a fair bit with premium but it’s no biggie that it’s gone for me.

    Gestrid ,

    Install Newpipe.

    Tap the share button in the YouTube ReVanced app.

    Select Newpipe. It’ll ask you some info about the download, then start downloading in the background.

    rustyriffs ,

    Seems like a good alternative. Do you know if there a way to import my current subscriptions?

    Also, I’ve been using the music service for some time now as well. Do you have any suggestions for viable replacements for that?

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    I’ve been using the music service for some time now as well. Do you have any suggestions for viable replacements for that?

    Self-host Navidrome on a cheap VPS (or at home), use Symfonium to stream your music to your phone/car.

    Gestrid ,

    YouTube Music ReVanced exists if that suits you.

    ReVanced can patch quite a few apps, actually, not just YouTube.

    rustyriffs ,

    What all do you use it for?

    Gestrid ,

    I mainly just use ReVanced for YouTube and YouTube Music. It supports some other apps I use (like Twitch or Spotify), but there are better alternatives to those two. (If you’d like to see a full list of the apps supported by ReVanced and the patches available for those apps, go to revanced.app/patches .)

    Someone created a version of the Twitch app that supports BTTV emotes, blocks ads, auto-claims channel points, and auto-updates whenever there’s a new version available. They called it BTTV, though I don’t believe they’re actually associated with the BTTV browser extension.

    As for Spotify, I use xManager. They patch the Spotify app to allow ad-free music, among other Spotify Premium features. (Not every Premiums feature is enabled. Some require communicating with Spotify’s servers, and those aren’t enabled.)

    jeanofthedead ,
    @jeanofthedead@lemmy.world avatar

    SmartTubeNext on AndroidTV. Complete with SponsorBlock and everything.

    deweydecibel ,

    Blocking YouTube ads I support.

    Sponsorblocker is just shitty. That money goes directly to the content creators, not Google. It hurts the wrong people.

    Besides, you can fast-forward those.

    XPost3000 ,

    Yeah, I’m personally cool with sponsorships and I rock uBlock Origin

    QHC ,

    Does SponsorBlock automatically skipping vs me manually scrubbing actually make any difference to what the creator receives in compensation?

    bamboo ,

    No, I doubt the analytics software can tell the difference. It just sees the user skip from timestamp X to Y

    briongloid ,
    @briongloid@aussie.zone avatar

    I use SponsorBlock because I pay for YT Premium.

    bamboo ,

    Besides what others have said, many YouTubers that include sponsor segments get paid a flat rate for doing so before/when the video is published. They don’t get recurring revenue based on sponsor segments, only from YouTube ads.

    jeanofthedead ,
    @jeanofthedead@lemmy.world avatar

    I refuse to watch ads anywhere, sorry.

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