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ZombieMantis ,
@ZombieMantis@lemmy.world avatar

Nationalize YouTube.

Specifically, nationalize the backend, Google can keep their website. And place it in the hands of something like the UN, rather than any specific country. I hardly trust Uncle Sam any more than Google’s investors. They’ve successfully monopolized video hosting, now turn it into a public resource.

And open it up to the world, too. Google might get to keep their website, but everyone else can access the same database, too. May the best front end win.

Xavier ,

Sorry to burst your little bubble but the UN charter specifically states it is an intergovernmental organization whose stated purposes are to maintain international peace and security, develop friendly relations among nations, achieve international cooperation, and serve as a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations.

As much as some may want to believe the UN is some sort of «Global Supreme Court», it is not. It mainly functions by consensus of all other nation (including those who explicitly chooses to abstain). Therefore, by making the UN somehow responsible for the “backend”, as you have said, or as the custodian of the entire repository/library of videos uploaded to YouTube, every member nations would then have their own priorities on what to “keep” and what to “remove” from the repository/library. Since the UN works principaly by consensus only a very small subset of all the videos will be kept as being universally non-controversial. Hence, the majority of videos will be irrecoverably erased.

Perhaps you meant a NGO (non-governmental organization) or a non-profit organization such as the Internet Archive. However, storage and maintenance for such a vast collection of large media (videos) is non-trivial and expensive that very few non-profit could administer.

Alternatively, with a fediverse-like protocol, everyone will be responsible to host their own videos and also videos they consider important/valuable to archive and/or help distribute. Thus, no single point of control and no need to “nationalize” YouTube. Of course it is hard and complex, nevertheless it is only the first step toward a more resilient and a more equitable video sharing/distribution infrastructure.

eskimofry ,

Curiously, that would mean a peer-tube network of server instances for which YouTube becomes a frontend.

JonEFive ,

These are some very pretty words that express ideas without much self-reflection on why the ideas might be bad.

I mean, I suppose you did say it yourself that you can’t trust the US government… but why would you trust ANY government? You know why I trust Google more than any government? I understand Google’s motivations ($$$). Put something into the hands of government and suddenly that thing is burdened by the desires of every politician and their special interest financiers.

“Place it in the hands of something like the UN” would mean some international body I assume. Comprised of and led by whom exactly? And also, who would fund the thing? You suggest nationalization, so… taxpayers? Sure, here’s your $99/year Degooglebase access fee tax I guess? And beyond just making sure there’s enough money to keep the lights on, we need to make sure there’s enough money to pay creators. After all, YouTube isn’t just a library. It’s an economy larger than some countries and there would be consequences to destabilizing that economy. People aren’t just posting content for the love of the shared experience.

Please don’t take what I’m saying here to be a defense of Google. Google is a shitty company for so many reasons. But advocating for nationalization of YouTube is just a horrifically bad idea in such manner as it was presented.

But - all is not lost. First: for the creators you enjoy - find ways to support them other than Google. Make it possible for them to continue when YouTube stops being lucrative enough.

Second: find, use, and advocate for the use of alternative services. There is no single site that is going to be able to replace YouTube. It simply isn’t going to happen unless PornHub wants to step up to the game and create their own SFW site YouTube-killer. They have the infrastructure and capacity to host and share absolutely massive amounts of video and have the business capabilities to accept income and pass it on to creators on a large scale. But that’s an entirely different discussion.

Best to look at things differently. Like the Fediverse and the internet itself, it might be better off if the platform were distributed.

000 ,

Don’t worry, YouTube, I won’t be using your website anymore. But my yt-dl will be ripping max quality videos by the hundreds, just for shits and giggles.

muh_entitlement ,

Yarr harr, it’s the pirate life for us!

Mango ,

YouTube speed has been shit ever since they stopped actually buffering.

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

And this is why we use Newpipe

muh_entitlement ,

Time and time again we can only conclude: Piracy is justified!

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

Do people seriously think there’s something wrong with doing that?

eskimofry ,

only corporate apologists.

rabiddolphin ,
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0ad1ba4c-6a94-4455-a32d-14f9dc8441a9.jpeg

TWeaK ,

Apparently this seems to be mainly affecting Chrome users, lol.

Kbobabob ,

Well, yeah! Google controls Chrome

TWeaK ,

Yeah but what I find funny is that if people had already jumped from Chrome they probably wouldn’t be having problems.

CrowAirbrush ,

Anything better than listening 3 songs and getting 5 ads.

Stop being trash youtube. Be normal like you once were and i would actually consider a paid subscription IF i get to fully exclude shorts on my side of the platform.

WhipperSnapper ,
@WhipperSnapper@lemmy.ml avatar

Not at all a solution, but worth mentioning that in a YouTube URL you can replace /shorts/ with /v/ and get the normal player for the same video.

CrowAirbrush ,

I just want the short form content out of my life, but your tip might help others who dislike the player and not the video’s.

zbyte64 ,
@zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I don’t always click on a YouTube ad, but when I do it’s a UI failure because it’s an accidental click. How much do you want to bet this crackdown is a distraction from the fact their ad system doesn’t perform as well as advertised?

MonkeMischief ,

Or it’s just straight up hostile UI. They started camouflaging ads to blend in really well with random search results now! Infuriating.

zbyte64 ,
@zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Speaking of which… Don’t you just love how changing the volume on your phone causes the audio indicator to overlap the button that let’s you skip ads?

MonkeMischief ,

Ok now that you point it out that’s gotta be intentional lol.

Behold, the wonders of the modern world! …which we must constantly fight and remain suspicious of as they attempt to manipulate or screw us at every turn.

😬

zcd ,

Fuck YouTube

aliteral ,

And Google. And Corporations.

ConstipatedWatson ,

Good things come to those who wait (and block ads)

camelbeard ,

Also I’d rather wait without ads than wait with ads, like what’s the point?

ConstipatedWatson ,

If you wait in front of an empty screen it’s much more pleasant than being in front of visual and audio spam drilling into your head.

It’s of course true that YouTube can’t support a website for free, so it would be the correct thing to watch some ads: problems arising are that (A) some ads are malicious (either as misinformation or as viruses or as links to those), (B) they’ve grown from a reasonable amount to an unreasonable one and often interrupted at the worst possible time)

S_204 ,

Trying to use it via Firefox is pointless. I just downloaded the video and pirated. Fuck YouTube.

Klaymore ,
@Klaymore@sh.itjust.works avatar

If you run mpv https://url it will stream it from youtube and play it in mpv, without having to wait for the whole video to download first.

aliteral ,

And another win for free and open source software fellas!

Crafter72 ,
@Crafter72@lemmy.world avatar

Been using revanced, sometimes using Iceraven (ff fork) w/ ublock origin on phone, and using librewolf (another ff fork) also w/ ublock origin on desktop. So far never encountered slow down since November 2023.

Is this slow down only on select extension issue? Although when it first happend (late 2023) I was thrown up by sudden yt not loading on my librewolf but it only happend only on single day, afterward it gone.

rabiddolphin ,
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

I remember when they first put ads in and people rebelled. Frogs in a pot because it’s not like any of you will actually use peertube

yukiat ,
@yukiat@lemmy.world avatar

People dont use Peertube because that guy over there doesn’t use Peertube. Or that other guy. Other that person who makes content. I think you get the picture.

rabiddolphin ,
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

It can rip content though

aniki ,

I don’t understand how anyone can put up with youtube without premium. Every time I visit a friends house I am shocked at the level of bullshit they are ok with. I’d pay a lot more than 10 bucks.

bjoern_tantau ,
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Youtube is my reminder on new browser installs to install Ublock Origin. And I saw this newest effort to block it once. Updated Ublock, restarted the browser and it was gone again.

noodlejetski ,

I don’t understand how anyone can put up with youtube without premium

piped.video

13esq ,

A couple of five second ads doesn’t bother me at all.

I’m from a generation that had no pause or fast forward on the TV before the internet. Every fifteen minutes or so you’d have near enough five minutes of ads. YouTube ads are nothing by comparison.

$10 a month isn’t a huge amount, but it’s $120 saved by the end of the year that I’d rather spend on something else.

SlopppyEngineer ,

I’m from a generation that had state television where there were no ads at all. I liked it that way.

TWeaK ,

Exactly. Starting from the premise that these services deserve the revenue from ads is completely wrong. As advertising has grown, so has corporate greed in extracting more value from users while providing a worse service.

HowManyNimons ,

Starting from the premise that we owe corporations the opportunity to subject us to mental abuse for any reason is the problem. Let’s not forget what ads are and how they work.

TWeaK ,

I agree with you for the most part, but at the same time people need a way to find the things they want. There are lots of products and services that genuinely make life better, but without advertising you may never even know what you’re missing.

That position is completely in the distance behind where we are now, with the pure exploitation and manipulative marketing, but it’s still a valid point.

HowManyNimons ,

That’s valid.

TWeaK ,

Thank you.

My rule of thumb has always been, since I was a child: if it’s advertised on TV, it probably isn’t that good.

TV advertising is expensive. The business needs to pay for that advertising, and they also expect to profit from it. Thus, the customers have to pay for the advertising, the profits to the business for the advertising, as well as the product, and the profits to the business for the product. So, in general, if it’s advertised on TV it’s probably not worth what they want you to pay.

Recently there’s been an online therapy service that has grown massively called Better Health. It sounds really good, and content producers I like have apparently thought the same and started advertising it themselves - Behind the Bastards host Robert Evans actually voices an ad for them on his own podcast. However, I’ve also recently seen advertisements for their service on TV. Now, I’m wary, and I’m just waiting for what I think will be the inevitable controversy over their service.

So yeah, advertising has some valid purpose, but it’s also basically complete and totally open warfare. Marketing executives are probably worse than estate agents at this point. At the same time, a person just promoting their idea might not be so villainous - at least right now, who knows what they’ll do later?

13esq ,

In the UK you have to pay the TV licence for state television, so it’s swings and roundabouts.

Infiltrated_ad8271 ,
@Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social avatar

I’m from a generation that had no pause or fast forward on the TV before the internet.

Me too, but using ublock for a while it's easy and quick to become intolerant of ads.

13esq ,

I do understand the appeal but I also quite like a lot of the smaller content creators and I think they deserve to get paid.

Pirating from a corporation that makes several millions in profits is one thing, I’m not going to pick the pockets of my fellow man.

Infiltrated_ad8271 ,
@Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social avatar

Ethically it is not so easy, you are also giving money to the evil google. The ideal is to donate directly, so they are not subject to youtube's stingy payments or demonetizations.

13esq ,

I agree. But I’d rather pay my fellow man even if it means corporate fat cats are also getting a slice.

I did receive a Project Farm t-shirt as a gift which was nice, but I unfortunately don’t have the resources to subscribe to each and every patreon so I’ll watch the ads in lieu.

nicetriangle ,

I'm from that generation too and as soon as I moved out of my folks' house I never subscribed to cable or watched broadcast TV because that constant onslaught of advertising was offensive and I didn't want it in my home.

Plopp ,

I’m from a country where we barely had ads on TV back in the day, and even now it’s nowhere near as bad as on American TV. I’ve tried watching US channels online and it’s feels like nothing but an insult. YouTube is bad enough for me.

HopeOfTheGunblade ,
@HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social avatar

I mean I had that too, but fuck ads. All my homies hate ads.

detinu ,

I’d happily pay for premium as I use YouTube religiously. But it’s Google so fuck them, they already process my information in order to show me ads and profit off of my data. I think that’s payment enough, so I’ll just find any free way possible to watch YouTube without ads.

Kbobabob ,

so fuck them, they already process my information in order to show me ads and profit off of my data.

So you don’t have any services like Netflix, Hulu, etc? I can guarantee they do the same things in one way or another.

Steak ,

Or just use an adblocker and save the $$

HowManyNimons ,

If I started waving little billboards in front of your face, how much would you pay me to go away?

GentlemanLoser ,

But muh free stuff

Thassodar ,

I dun wan it.

  • Some Idiot from GoT, probably.
Kbobabob ,

Do you have anything to offer besides the billboard in my face? If not, you get dropped.

Treczoks ,

Easy: Just use the right browser and adblocker, and you basically have premium, but without the ads they still throw at you.

Stovetop ,

I was a day 1 subscriber of Google Play Music All Access, which I converted into a family plan when that was available, and was told that the rate I was paying would be grandfathered in. I didn’t like the switch to YouTube Music, but it did the job and came with ad-free YouTube, so I was okay with it.

But then they told me that they were changing the $14.99/mo I was paying to $22.99/mo despite being grandfathered in, a more than 50% increase, and I said fuck that. Unsubbed, swapped to Spotify, and never looked back.

Would I pay for just ad-free YouTube? Maybe. But not for almost $300 each year. I’m keeping Spotify, so if Google made a plan for no ads for like …$1 or $2 per month?, maybe then I’d consider going back.

The end result now though is that I just use YouTube less.

slumberlust ,

I was/am in the exact same boat, but share the subscription three ways (wife+brother) so the numbers are still somewhat favorable given our music and YouTube usage as a household.

LemmyIsFantastic , (edited )

Yes. You people just cost money. Pay, or find a new service. I’m not so sure what’s confusing about this.

Google isn’t going to let you use the service for free anymore.

Edit: Reading comprehension seems to be at an all time low. None of this has to do with you liking YouTube or not. Nobody cares if you don’t like Google’s data farming. It’s 100% irrelevant.

ModernRisk ,
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Is your “you people” targeted at the ones using Adblock?

If so, here’s another approach; If YouTube actually had a decent ‘premium’ without all the unnecessary “features” in it and the price wasn’t so unreasonable high. People might have paid for it.

In my country YouTube Premium costs €12/monthly which is €144/yearly and for what? Unnecessary features and to block advertisements while still having in-video advertisements (sponsors). No thank you.

I will go with uBlock Origin and Sponsorblock.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

People love premium. Let’s not confuse you and lemmys average user with the general public.

$18 a month for family streaming + music is a bargain.

Also, that’s all great that you use tools to get around it. My point is stop bitching about it or acting like Google is evil for blocking people who refuse to pay 🤷‍♂️

HowManyNimons ,

$18 a month for family streaming + music is a bargain.

Wow your brain really has been taken hostage hasn’t it?

YouTube is a terrible music platform.

YouTube videos aren’t worth that much.

If I’m paying for streaming video content, I prefer to pay the creators directly than let YouTube take an outsize cut.

YouTube has hundreds of times the reach of any other comparable service. They’re milking their monopoly. They can bite a dick.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

👌👍🤣

Remmock ,

But you don’t pay them directly. Hardly anybody does, except YouTube and whatever midroll sponsor they can hack a deal with. That’s WHY content creators insisted on paydays through YouTube to begin with and why YouTube is trying to make enough money to pay them all and look profitable.

HowManyNimons ,

But I do pay the ones I value directly.

Remmock ,

Most Creators have communities where you can voice that desire if they don’t give you the information outright. Some do it through having companies of their own. Merch, coffee, and alcohol are common salespoints. JackSepticeye has a coffee brand and shares a clothing brand with Markiplier. Phillip De Franco also has a coffee brand and a clothing brand. Devin Stone (LegalEagle) doesn’t, but he’s part of the following push:

Some are on other platforms that more directly reward the content creators, like Nebula. This allows them to have a Patreon-like model where some content is publicly available to drum up interest while other deeper or more long-form content exists behind a paywall. Communicate in communities with your favorite creators to find out how you can show them your support more specifically.

HowManyNimons ,

I know. I pay the creators I value by means such as that.

ModernRisk ,
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’d agree that people love the tag-name ‘’Premium’’ therefore might pay for it. I’d also say tech-illiterate people will pay for it because of no knowledge.

However most of the general public do find the price-tag absurd.

Also your ‘’€18/monthly is a bargain’’ just makes me think, I’m arguing with a teenager or at least someone who does not pay for themselves (a friend or family member pays for most of things, I suppose). €18/monthly is €216/yearly, that money can be spent elsewhere, important things (food, education and bills).

Not only that you are essentially saying ‘’Hey, Google. You the one who already owns most of the things, you the owner who’s already A billionaire and have immense data of its users – take more money of me’’. Google is essentially evil in the sense that their track-record isn’t clean. Their ways to gain profit/revenue is not really morally nor ethically right. They can just do it because they are one of the biggest companies in the world.

I personally do not care if YouTube blocks itself for me, that just means – I will find another way to gain access to music and videos. There will always be ways, always.

LemmyIsFantastic , (edited )

I love how people who disagree with your value assessment are all technology illiterate. Just hand wave away all your problems 🤣.

You’re arguing with a 40 year old with commits to Apache, Python, CNCF, NGinx, TF, and more. So again, your hand waving away because of a different opinion is quite off base.

To address the comment, none of that matters at all and is irrelevant. Yes you can keep on stealing the content and you shouldn’t be shocked every time Google finds a new way to make it more of a pain in the ass. I’m not sure why that’s a difficult concept for most of the readership here.

ModernRisk , (edited )
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

“Lets just say that person is tech-illiterate without actual knowledge about the particular person - because I have no counterargument”

That what I just read from you.

I’ll just block and ignore you, you’ve proven to be a total troll. Wasted enough of my time and energy on you. Unfortunately.

ETA: if you’re truly 40 y/o, your behavior doesn’t show it. You are behaving like a teenager with the same mentality/mindset as one.

Stealing is entirely different than using an AdBlock. With your “knowledge” in technology, you should know that by now. The question of “is piracy stealing” is a whole another topic which can be argued to infiniteness.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

👌👍

HowManyNimons ,

What in the world is motivating you to justify YouTube’s corpo enshittification? If you’re telling the truth, you’re easily old enough to realise that Baron Google isn’t going to share his wealth with useful idiots. Why would you spend your weekend extolling overpriced subscription services and berating ad avoiders on Google’s behalf?

LemmyIsFantastic ,

God forbid I find value provided by successful companies. THE HORROR!

HowManyNimons ,

But why the finger wagging? I get that you’d drop in and say “I prefer to pay for premium rather than play cat-and-mouse with Google” but that point was made long ago.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Finger wagging? I came in and said it’s completely expected for Google to block users and this is somehow controversial.

HowManyNimons ,

No, you came here to order us to “Pay, or use a different service”. Are you being paid by Google to do this?

LemmyIsFantastic ,

I have to be paid to accept reality? Wew lad what really you must live in.

HowManyNimons ,

I’m asking what is motivating you. Why do you seem to have nothing but sarcasm to respond with?

Remmock ,

I don’t generally agree with the corporate side of the argument, but financial support for the platform itself has to come from somewhere.

Rooki ,
@Rooki@lemmy.world avatar

Please tell google then, if we allow ads, then dont shoot at us 10 unskippable ads.

1 ad per video < 10 minutes. 2 ads per video > 10 < 20. 4 ads per video > 20 +2 ads per extra 10 minutes

Ads maximum length of 30 seconds. Ads should be monitored for anything illegal or harmfull for the viewer ( Scams, Malicious websites … )

If google chose to do this instead of every minutes 2 unskippable ads ( or soon 5 ) i would think, there would be less adblock users on youtube. And with that you support more your favorite creator ( if you want to really support him, just give him some bucks on patreon or so ). Or just suggest him to go to any other video hosting website ( like peertube ) then users will have 0 ads and you can get support over donations.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

None of any of that matters.

If you don’t like it you can move along. That’s what is being said.

TheEntity ,

We can simultaneously move along and criticize their decisions as exploitative double-dipping on their users. Criticizing them thankfully doesn't require a subscription, or even an account.

Rooki ,
@Rooki@lemmy.world avatar

In a nutshell a ad blocker is just a form of protest.

TheEntity ,

And yet they were perfectly okay with providing the service for free while they were still busy starving off the competition. No tears for Google shall be shed here.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

What? They are exactly a billion video and comment streaming platforms.

And I’m not telling you to have years for Google. I’m highlighting that the free ride is over. Pay or use a different service.

eltrain123 ,

If google stops strip mining my data when I pay for their service, I’d do it in a heartbeat. I’m not going to pay to be someone’s product.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Then don’t be shocked when they start putting up walls. It’s shocking to me how many people take this as some kind of right and act indignant and make up every excuse under the sun to justify why YouTube should cater to pirates 🤣

DemSpud ,

Adblocking isn’t piracy though…

camelbeard ,

“If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”

nicetriangle ,

Ad blocking is not piracy. That's like saying that muting ads on broadcast TV is piracy. Get the boot out of your mouth.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

You are very much stealing the right to distribution and revenue for creators as well as YouTube.

It’s amazing to see folks still try this tired argument.

nicetriangle , (edited )

You are very much stealing

No, no you are not. Words have meanings.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Yes. You don’t believe rights can be stolen?

kick_out_the_jams ,

They can pry the mute button from my cold dead heads.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Is that a part of the terms of use? Do you honestly believe that would be enforced under US law? Irrelevant then.

kick_out_the_jams ,

Usually a remote is standard issue with a TV, most(all?) of them have a mute button.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Irrelevant.

eskimofry ,

Lol jokes on you. They wouldn’t dare make it completely paywalled.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

👌

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

I bet you think "right click, inspect, delete <element>" is "piracy" too.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

If you’re breaking the terms of service to access the service for free absolutely. People have a right to distribute their content as they see fit within the confines of the law. You’re stealing that right. You’d all lose your shit if companies just started ignoring GPL and you all certainly would be calling it theft.

takeda ,

Oh, go ahead and let them place YouTube behind the paywall. We need some new players in this area.

I’m the product in the current YouTube business model, why should I care about their profits?

Also I promise I won’t be whining if YouTube shuts down. I will be celebrating. For now, as they hold monopoly, I will watch them however I wish and help anyone else to do the same.

  • Firefox + uBlock - desktop
  • ReVanced, NewPipe - phone
  • SnartTube - TV
LemmyIsFantastic ,

I never said you should care 🤷‍♂️

I said you shouldn’t be shocked when freeloaders continue to be locked down.

HowManyNimons ,

Thank you for your concern, but I have other ways of avoiding YouTube’s ads and associated punishments.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Neat. None of you really understand the point or can read.

Don’t expect YouTube to cater to you people who just steal 🤷‍♂️

Whats so complicated?

ModernRisk ,
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It is sad that it took me so long but you’re a troll. 100%.

You are a fine example of a troll. Well played.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

👌👍 it’s amazing to me how many people can’t read and have turned this into a complicated and personal thing

Aielman15 ,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

Google is already making millions by profiling its users and stealing their data. All these YT changes are not caused by them losing money, but by them not growing enough to please their (multi-millionaires) investors.

(1) I’m not shedding any tears for a corporation that’s big enough to have more money that I’ll ever see in ten lifetimes.

(2) I’m not paying for a “Premium” experience to allow them to keep profiling me (and thus gain more money). They are already gaining money off me, they don’t need my premium subscription.

(3) You should stop arguing in favour of exploitative big corporations that don’t even know you and are probably actively exploiting you in this very moment.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

What does any of that have to with what I said? Great, you don’t like yt, good for you. Who is asking you to shed a tear?

YT doesn’t want freeloaders. Pay up, see ads, or play cat and mouse avoiding them.

Aielman15 ,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not a freeloader because Google is already making a profit off me by profiling me. They are just being greedy and asking for more. If you are happy donating your hard-earned money to the trillion-dollars corporation that’s exploiting you, good for you. I am a sane individual and I’d rather put that money to good use. In fact, by donating to the WWF, I’m spending less money yearly than a YT premium subscriber, and I’m making someone happy that deserves it more than Google’s sleazy investors.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

So you go into restaurants and demand half priced food? The price is the price. Pay it out deal with Google making your videos slow. I’m really not sure how all of you are turning this a value thing. It’s utterly irrelevant.

Aielman15 ,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

Your argument falls flat the moment you realize an alternative to YT doesn’t exist because all these bit corporations have spent years either starving off or buying the competition, and they are now happily enjoying the monopoly they have created.

I don’t expect Google to ever cater to me, and I fully expect them to keep their war going against AdBlock. It’s their job to make more money, after all. But the point is, it’s their job, not mine. I’ll keep doing what I think I rightfully deserve, which is, watch a few videos without the hassle of ads provided by the big corporation that has taken my data without my consent, sold it to the highest bidder, and made a fuckload of money off it.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Oh so tiktok isn’t real and competing with YT? And twitch is just in my imagination? And I guess the curiosity stream is fake too!

Aielman15 ,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

I’m confused about what you’re trying to say, because none of those are YT alternatives.

TikTok is centered on short videos. Twitch is a platform for streamers, mainly for video game content creators. Curiosity Stream is a platform hosting professional documentaries and science shows, it’s great but it has nothing to do with the amateurish nature of YT content.

All of those cater to a specific niche of YT (YT shorts, video game let’s play, and science channels, respectively), but there’s a huge chunk of content that doesn’t appear on any of those services, but is present and thriving on YT.

gian ,

YT doesn’t want freeloaders

Nobody is a freeloader on Youtube (or any other Google app)

LemmyIsFantastic ,

If you’re blocking ads you are

gian ,

That assuming that they don’t harvest any data.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Irrelevant.

gian ,

Fine, I understand. You think that your personal data and preferences have no value for Google (or any other service).
Good for you.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Nope. Irrelevant.

nicetriangle ,

They had premium light which gave you just a no ad experience and nothing else for about $7/mo. Totally reasonable, I was happy to pay it. Then right at the same time they started going nuclear on ad blocking, they killed that plan and forced everyone to move to a plan that costs about 70% more and added a bunch of stuff I didn't ask for and will never use. They had those added services available already prior to that change. If I had wanted them I'd already be subscribing. This was just a greedy cash grab.

They'll just keep jacking the price up and decreasing the quality of service and mining your data and annoying you with ads and algorithmic bullshit just up until they can't anymore and it stops being optimally profitable. A lot of people will just put up with it, but they lost me as a customer.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Correct. Also irrelevant. All of it.

nicetriangle ,

It is honestly embarrassing as shit spending 3 hours of your time on a weekend arguing with like a dozen people in defense of one of the highest market cap megacorps in the world. Get a hobby dude.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

I assure you it’s been like 30m of time between shits. If you are angry enough to be checking the history at least get it right.

gian ,

Yes. You people just cost money. Pay, or find a new service. I’m not so sure what’s confusing about this.

I already pay, with my data. They stop to harvest data, I pay the service.

Google isn’t going to let you use the service for free anymore.

And I am not going to pay to be the product.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

You 👏 don’t 👏 dictate 👏 the 👏 terms 👏 and 👏 price 👏👏.

My God, you people 🤦‍♂️.

gian ,

Maybe not the price, but the terms yes, at least partially, which are that I use an adblocker or I don’t use the service. Or pay for a service in which I am the customer and not the product.

And I am really curious to see how Google can force me to use Youtube on its terms when I can simply stop using it.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

What a crazy round about she desperate way to describe being forced off a service lol

gian ,

Following your logic, I am forced off every service I don’t use because I don’t need it. Interesting.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

👌👍

arvere ,

I agree with you. Google is a company and so will do as much as they can to provide as little and to profit as much as possible.

if one wants to use their products, they have to play their game. by either paying (with money and or data, regardless if it’s overpriced) or “cheating” around that - as we do with literally everything else in the free market system, to many other monopolistic shady companies

what’s interesting to see around here is this sense of self entitlement, as if Google owed them anything, and of naivety, as if a company would ever provide a service (which is very costly) for absolutely free. video streaming is not an essential service and didn’t exist until very recently

it may come as a shock, but you don’t need to use any service such as YouTube to survive and you only do because you want to and find value in it (whether to learn new skills or watch people reacting to cats)

the underlying problem here which all of you are actually mad about is the system where technology and knowledge belongs to giant hoarding dragons instead of the people who made it. that’s where we all should be focusing our energy on.

in the meantime, we just keep cheating… and if the cheats fail, we move on to other things

LemmyIsFantastic ,

One rational person in a sea of anger.

hal_5700X ,
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Man, it’s wild to see Youtube kill themselves in real time.

weirdo_from_space ,

They are going to be fine, we said the same thing when Netflix banned password sharing. People who still use YouTube don’t care.

Misconduct ,

Imagine still giving Netflix money after they consistently shit on their customers every single chance they get lol. What a bunch of suckers

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