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CanadaPlus , in They tried

I’m pretty sure breaking your website with no cookies is against the rules, actually. It’s either serve the EU with GDPR-compliance or GTFO entirely.

Yeah, you could still just break the law, but as usual there’s a cost to that one way or the other.

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

Tons of companies break the cookie law already, but enforcement seems to be rare

PersnickityPenguin ,

What’s the cookie law?

Pixel ,

No cookies before dinner.

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

The cookie consent banner has to allow you to opt out of cookies as easily as accepting them

gamey ,
@gamey@feddit.rocks avatar

Almoat true, it actually has to be a opt in system, opt out is illegal already!

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

Yeah, I think it has to default to off but I believe the banner they show shouldn’t make it harder to continue with it being off rather than turning it on

Honytawk ,

If websites want to track you through cookies, they have to ask for permission.

akulium ,

Doesn’t enforcement work by letting competitors sue you if you don’t follow the rules for these things?

CanadaPlus ,

I’ve heard stories about some of the big guys getting hit with sizable GDPR fines. I don’t really know the full extent of what they do but I do imagine there’s someone that makes it their job to prosecute GDPR violations.

Vuraniute ,
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

this. and honestly I wish more websites followed the “serve under gdpr or don’t have a European marker”. A random blog once wasn’t available in the EU because of GDPR. And you know what? It’s better than them violating GDPR and the EU doing nothing.

jabjoe ,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

It’s more about the big boys. If they act in a way that breaks the GDPR, now the EU has a stick to hit them with.

yetAnotherUser , in I'll just sort it myself

As many people have pointed out already, this happens because JavaScript was rushed. But why do we still use a language whose foundation was built in only ten days(!) for scripting on webpages we build today? Why hasn’t there been a push for web browsers to support other scripting languages (other than maybe Dart)?

HKayn ,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

There has never been a push because JavaScript works well enough.

Many of its mistakes have been rectified in later specifications.

SnipingNinja , in They tried

Your meme is funny, but people genuinely use these arguments to be against sensible EU laws, hence the response I imagine.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot , in Thought I would share my success

Great. Now you can start working on the next problem.

Scoopta , in They tried
@Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

I refuse to go to sites that do this, I also refuse to go to sites that block adblock…and specially the sites that detect and block private browsing, that one shouldn’t even be a thing

Zikeji ,
@Zikeji@programming.dev avatar

Sites that block adblock - I have network based filtering I’m not going to take the time to specifically figure out what ad providers you’re using (which is probably that same as everyone else) just to unblock your shitty site.

Scoopta ,
@Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

LOL, I also use DNS based filtering soooo I feel your pain.

WaLLy3K ,
@WaLLy3K@infosec.pub avatar

Hilariously, I find the Pi-hole feature “disable for 5 seconds” often works because it’ll be down for long enough to load the page but not the ads.

PersnickityPenguin ,

Reminds me, I need a pihole

Scoopta ,
@Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

I don’t use pihole…didn’t know that was a thing…still don’t plan on using pihole but that’s cool

ozymandias117 ,

The fun part is that websites that do this are illegal in the EU

They need to start flexing that 4% revenue / year fines

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

I hope one day they just start fining everyone doing it all at once

corsicanguppy ,

And i hope they start using that sizing thing at airports to keep people from carrying on their massive samsonite tuba-sized suitcases and jamming them into the entirety of the overhead storage.

But we can’t always get what we want.

ignotum ,

I don’t use adblock, and yet i keep getting “disable adblock to view this” messages, fuck this shit

Fissionami ,
@Fissionami@lemmy.ml avatar

Probably Adguard or Pihole? (Some network level blocking?)

ignotum ,

I did have adguard set up, but i disabled it thinking it could help with this issue, which it sadly didn’t

Trainguyrom ,

Most browsers block some ads by default as well as some other privacy protections nowadays. I’m guessing whatever sites you’re hitting have advertisers so scummy they’re blocked by default

ignotum ,

Might be, might be

I’m using Firefox and might’ve set a couple of the privacy settings “too high”, haven’t checked those in forever

hairyballs ,

Why the fuck would they prevent private browsing? I use that a lot to be sure the session is closed correctly.

Scoopta ,
@Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

There’s lots of newspaper sites in the US, that do this. They’ll be like “wanna use private browsing, make an account, or go visit from normal browsing.” Idk why they do it but they do. Apparently there are discrepancies in the way browsers handle persistent storage features between private and non-private browsing that allow for detection

sukhmel ,

I’d guess they just want to keep track of what you read and how many articles. You still can wipe that information from your browser but private browsing makes it more convenient so they ban it

KillerTofu ,

12ft.io

I use this to deal with paywalled articles.

Scoopta ,
@Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

This comment needs more upvotes…I did not know this was a thing and I’ll try to remember it next time I hit a wall

KillerTofu ,

Bigger walls, bigger ladders!!!

Honytawk ,

Cause they can’t track your browser history that way.

Cold_Brew_Enema , in They tried

The second that popup about cookies shows up I immediately backout and not use the site.

MDFL OP ,

That’s like every site. How do you use the internet at all?

RegularGoose ,

It’s becoming a lot easier to use the internet a lot less. It’s been turned into such a user-hostile space so domineered by corporations and fascists that most of the internet doesn’t really hold much of an appeal anymore, at least for me.

If the internet died tomorrow and didn’t come back, I’d be annoyed about not being able to use it to order food, manage my bank account, or watch shows/movies, but the world would likely be an overall better place once logistics re-adapted to not having it.

The internet was cool for the first 10-15 years, but it’s been a rapidly worsening cesspit for a long time. Nothing the internet can offer us is worth also tolerating it as a tool for inescapable government and corporate surveillance, and as the most effective imagineable breeding ground for fascism and disinformation.

The internet makes our lives worse in so many more ways than it imporves them, and people are too fucking addicted to it to give a shit.

Honytawk ,

If you really don’t want to bother, you can use the consent-o-matic addon for Firefox that automatically declines every cookie possible.

genoxidedev1 , in They tried
@genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

That's gotta be quite some website you visited, if it didn't load at all without cookies. As someone from Germany, who mostly rejects every sites cookies, except for the essential ones most of the time, but sometimes outright rejects all cookies, I've never encountered a website that refused to load upon doing that.

Not defending any webpages that do do that, just contributing my personal experience.

Also: this for chrome or this for fiefrerfx

SanityFM ,

Consent-o-matic is magnificent.

SlopppyEngineer ,

One extension to automatically accept, one extension to automatically delete everything after the tab is closed.

MDFL OP ,

It’s rare to see (probably since someone pointed out it doesn’t conform to GDPR standards), but I ran into a batch of them in short order recently, so it’s been on my mind.

BuddyTheBeefalo ,

www.oekotest.de

www.pcwelt.de

www.saechsische.de

www.wetter.com

All don’t offer cookie rejection.

genoxidedev1 ,
@genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

Makes sense, I don't use any of them, at all. I'm pretty sure there's a place where you can report such webpages for doing that though, though I don't know where at the moment.

Edit: possibly this one

BuddyTheBeefalo ,

Netzpolitik.de checked Germany’s top 100 sites. Not many offer a single click rejection of cookies. Many of them only offer a paid ‘pure abo’ to disable tracking.

datawrapper.dwcdn.net/9GFZM/8/ (German)

gamey ,
@gamey@feddit.rocks avatar

Yea, we have the same issue in Austria but technically that’s illegal behaviour and you should be able to report it somewhere!

AceFuzzLord ,

Don’t know if it’s me or what, but I clicked on the first link and when it opened in my mobile browser, everything started shaking vertically like the page was suffering an earthquake. I’ll definitely have to look into that because I’ve never seen it happen before on any website like it.

PopularUsername ,

I’ve seen Italian sites that will put up a pay wall if you refuse the cookies.

Pandoras_Can_Opener ,
@Pandoras_Can_Opener@mander.xyz avatar

Also from Germany. Some american news and media sites do that.

ErwinLottemann ,

some other just block access from the eu completely. (not a news site, but applebee’s does this)

triplenadir ,
@triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml avatar

www.healthline.com - has a two-click “disable all”, but if you choose it you get a static site with 10 of their articles anon.healthline.com

CanadaPlus ,

I exit in the EU a lot. Same, they mostly work fine with no cookies. It’s much more common to see one that just doesn’t let EU residents in.

BurnedDonutHole , in They tried

Any website that does that I just close the tab.

twistypencil ,

You should travel to Europe sometime and try to use the web

Honytawk ,

Yeah, it is great here.

Either the website is great and doesn’t ask anything.

Or it asks for cookie consent, which you can decline in 1 click.

Or it pulls one of those “break the website” tricks which will get them sued sooner or later.

Or they block access to EU members, at which point you know they only exist to extract your data anyway.

twistypencil ,

I think it would be a worthwhile research project to find out how many users just click through these, accepting what the website wants you to accept by default. It effectively operates like a EULA for every single website, which produces overall fatigue and lack of care. When you’ve visited 20 sites in one day, you just start being irritated by having to constantly make a decision before you can view any content, and just mash whatever button you need to proceed.

Faresh ,

I also live in Europe and almost all websites display a dialog that asks you to choose cookie preferences. However, it seems that some few websites, mostly german (spiegel.de, gutefrage) that give you the opetion to browse with ads and cookies or pay. I do not use those websites and I imagine it is not legal.

Hazzia , in They tried

Be me, american, using a VPN Visit some fucking webber site to read an article Cookie agreement pops up Has a decline all option pog.png Hit “reject all” New popup appears Says “We’ve detected that you’re in the EU. Due to EU regulations, we cannot display this webpage with the ‘reject cookies’ setting selected. Please accept all cookies to continue” Dafuq

MDFL OP ,

Not at all my experience, but ok.

Honytawk ,

Clear sign that the only reason that website exist is to extract your privacy for profit.

Just move on to the billion other websites that don’t try to violate you.

hdnsmbt , in They tried

That’s fine. People who don’t care about cookies will accept them anyway and those who do care about cookies will know not to visit that site anymore.

CookieJarObserver , in They tried
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t give a shit about cookies my browser just cleans after me and next time i open it everything is like new.

MonkderZweite , in The birth of JS

What is this image from?

FehrIsFair ,

This image is fan art of Gawr Gura from Hololive EN’s 1st Gen VTuber group HoloMyth.

She is their most subscribed talent and is known for being computationally challenged.

MonkderZweite ,

Thanks!

sederx , in They tried

That’s literally the point though…

ozymandias117 ,

No? If a website refuses to load because you refused tracking cookies, it’s still illegal under GDPR

SloganLessons , in They tried
@SloganLessons@kbin.social avatar

Yeah being unable to open… checks notes local news websites from the US has been a real deal breaker

kubica ,
@kubica@kbin.social avatar

Sometimes its relieving when you go to do something and you find out that you have already finished, lol.

amio ,

Frankly I wish I could fit more US politics into my life, so it's been hard, I tells ya.

explodicle ,

Then you’ve picked the right place my friend!

MDFL OP ,

I have run into this recently on several non-US, non-news sites. I have actually never run into it on US local news sites, so I don’t know what you’re on about.

SloganLessons ,
@SloganLessons@kbin.social avatar

Yeah it’s a tragedy

christophski ,

In my experience it seems to be medical websites and recipe websites

drkt , in They tried

Oh boo I can’t visit American propaganda websites what a loss to my European life style

MDFL OP ,

I have run into this recently on several non-US, non-news sites. Your comment is propaganda.

Kichae ,

propaganda

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

BruceTwarzen ,

It's a synonym for socialism and it means everything that i don't like

MDFL OP , (edited )

I absolutely do. Spreading the idea that news sites are all propaganda and the only entities involved in this kind of practice is, in itself, propaganda.

explodicle ,

I think they were referring only to American news websites.

MDFL OP ,

You’re right. I wasn’t clear in my comment. Saying all US-news sites are propaganda is propaganda. I’m not sure how that changes anything.

mojo ,

It’s a lost cause, the EU circlejerk is too strong, as clearly everything is a utopia over there with nothing wrong.

GDPR is a good idea, but still very flawed in practice which they really don’t like to admit anything wrong for some reason.

explodicle ,

Bruh he was just being unclear

smollittlefrog ,

claiming the GDPR is good =/= claiming the GDPR is flawless

mojo ,

Yeah, and?

smollittlefrog ,

They didn’t say that either. Where do you get this idea from that they’re talking about (all) US news sites?

They said “American propaganda websites”. That may include some news sites. It may also not include some news sites.

The most you could infer from their statement is that only American propaganda websites violate the GDPR.

Of course websites exist that violate the GDPR and are not American propaganda websites.

But the vast majority of websites commiting severe violations of the GDPR that an average European encounters will be American propaganda websites.

(Believe it or not, Europeans don’t often visit websites written in Russian or Chinese.)

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@programming.dev avatar

It means “something bad that I disagree with”, synonymous with communism, socialism, democrats, and Nazis, at least that’s what Infowars tells me.

Pandoras_Can_Opener , (edited )
@Pandoras_Can_Opener@mander.xyz avatar

Infowars tells you Nazis are something you disagree with? Haven’t heard from them in a while. Would have thought they’d quietly drop the Nazis are evil thing.

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