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Manzas , in Not a Number
Valmond , in SCRUM: An Honest Ad

That’s kind of spot on. Well done 🥲

NigelFrobisher , in Corporate America is Just Office Space in Real Life

Whenever we say some work is going to be difficult and time consuming now, management reflexively ask if we can fix it with AI. It’s like an excitable little kid getting a bicycle for their birthday and wanting to do everything on their bicycle now, including eating, sleeping and homework.

FaceDeer , in Corporate America is Just Office Space in Real Life
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

I actually want AI enhancements to many of the programs I use. I find them useful.

Now watch as I get tossed out the window.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

The problem is that the areas us consumers would want it is not going to be place that companies put it. They’re gunning as hard as they can to monetize and minimize costs. Not what is most useful

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

But I really do find them useful, so they are getting it right in at least some cases.

Venator ,

Those cases are probably not profitable and will become enshitifcated when the VC money runs out and they start trying to turn a profit, so enjoy it while it lasts 😂

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

I've mainly been using open-weight models I can run locally to back them, so it'll last as long as personal computers do.

snooggums , in Corporate America is Just Office Space in Real Life
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

That is backwards.

Office Space was based on real life corporate America.

SpaceCadet ,
@SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar

It’s a documentary.

ripcord , (edited )
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Absolutely.

Source: I worked there, under a different name

baggachipz ,

I actually designed and produced an Initech mug from cafepress and used it in the office. People thought it was funny but I was dead serious.

jubilationtcornpone OP ,

Exactly.

BlackEco , in Corporate America is Just Office Space in Real Life
@BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com avatar

Unfortunately improving existing products does not bring additional subscriptions / revenue 🤡

bolexforsoup ,

Line must go up

MajorHavoc , (edited )

Unfortunately improving existing products does not bring additional subscriptions / revenue 🤡

I mean, it technically does, just not by next quarterly report, which seems to be all some organizations are capable of caring about, lately.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Frequently it absolutely does. Just not in a gold rush kind of way which is what too many people want.

humbletightband , in Corporate America is Just Office Space in Real Life

Sounds so painful. We’re integrating AI right N now instead of doing what customers asked us to do or instead of fixing a ton of bugs we have.

I hate corporate

bolexforsoup , in Corporate America is Just Office Space in Real Life

“AI” is great for first drafts/seeing a different wording, and automating very tedious crap. For instance, I really like taking proposals I write, dropping them into ChatGPT and saying “write me a 200 word executive summary,” then taking whatever it spits out to start making my own.

“Co-pilot” is a great way of thinking about it. I have no idea if that actual product is any good, but I know when I started thinking of AI tools as kind of a copilot of sorts, it made a lot more sense to me. It illustrates the limitations as well. Though I’d say more it’s more accurately “assistant to the pilot.” If you take me out of the seat, it can’t drive the vehicle and everyone will be upset with the results

Too many companies are falling for the loudest marketing in the room when it comes to AI. They see a shiny, perfectly curated demo and go “huh that seems neat we should do it” regardless of its relevance. They’re looking for shiny features and add-ons. What they should be thinking about is the very tedious, particularly manual tasks that eat up an inordinate amount of their time on a weekly basis. The AI solutions they should be looking for are ones that reduced or eliminate those tasks.

AI can be very useful at saving time. Too many people are using it as a solution in search of a problem. I think the best application for AI involve our day-to-day work, not consumer facing solutions.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah on the “assistant” part. An actual copilot would be fully able to fly the plane.

nullPointer , in Corporate America is Just Office Space in Real Life

making them better would mean more work, stress and ill conceived requirements for the programmers. I’m more in favor of marketing thrashing about on their own.

MajorHavoc ,

I’m more in favor of marketing thrashing about on their own.

Lol. Me too. But let’s not say that part too loud, it’ll be nice if they don’t catch on, for awhile longer.

pkill ,
refalo , in Corporate America is Just Office Space in Real Life

ask the AI how to make the product better, duh

DaddleDew , in Corporate America is Just Office Space in Real Life

If you look back at the sci-fi movies that came out soon after lasers were invented, you could see that people had all sorts of crazy ideas of what a laser could be used to do and that a lot of them had absolutely no idea of what a laser really did. Ultimately, we’ve found out that most of those imagined uses were pure bullshit or extremely impractical, at least with the current state of the technology. It didn’t mean that the technology was useless. We ended up finding all sorts of useful purposes for it that they had never imagined, like disk players or barcode scanners. It only means that it took time for people to better understand what the real world applications of the new technology was and a lot of the initial assumptions were dead wrong.

AI is going through the same process. It will take time before the technology’s strengths and weaknesses are better understood by the masses so it can be better applied to more realistic uses. And for the commercialization of snake-oil applications for it remains confined to fringe markets.

funkless_eck , in I made this

I mean you CAN just get an evening marketing job, 8-5 engineering, half hour break, 5.30-1:30am writing marketing copy, designing campaigns, A/B testing, budget management, demand gen, lead gen, sales enablement, CRO/CPC/CAC management, Martech tool alignment, attribution tracking, SEO research, content marketing, press releases and 3P distribution tools, all of which matched against brand voice and targeting to ABM the specific ICP within each vertical.

There’s literally nothing stopping you.

fauxerious ,

so half my day would be filled with bullshit, great

funkless_eck ,

ah yes, the famously bullshit-free career of software engineering

BleatingZombie ,

Exactly. Why add on?

funkless_eck ,

I mean I’m kidding around, but really, most of the time we’re making a product to sell, and then selling the product to make more of it (or a new/better version of it) so that we can sell it more… so we can make it more… to sell more…

Its just all part of the same cycle. The OP meme could equally be:

Sales/Marketing: I made this sale

[…]

Product: I made this sale.

its bullshit all the way down.

xmunk ,

I understand there’s some jest in this expression but I strongly object. I work tuning queries and doing that awful database shit yall dread and I find a lot of fulfillment in supporting devs and providing a better user experience.

I can guarantee you I’d be stuck in the deepest depths of depression if I tried a career in sales. Job satisfaction is high enough a priority for me that I’m currently wrestling with my dumbass PE overlords to stop trying to bankrupt our company even as they underpay me by an embarrassing amount.

xmunk ,

Yea, but, alternatively, sales could just stop being entitled pricks. I’ve worked with sales people that were excellent - they had a technical mind and were able to grasp what our product could and couldn’t do and, if they were uncertain… they would fucking ask me. And I’ve worked with sales people that won’t tell me they made a sale until two months later when the deadline is a week away.

ryannathans ,

Nah fam just sell something that doesn’t exist and make engineers magic it into existance that week

xmunk ,

h8 u

(/jk, of course)

jubilationtcornpone ,

Best software salesman I ever met was the best because he knew how to fucking listen. He worked for an electrical engineering software company. First time I ever met the guy, he flies into town to meet with my employer, his client, for the first time after taking over the account. I called him up and asked if I could buy him dinner the night before the big meeting, basically to warn him that they’re on the verge of getting fired.

Dude walks into the meeting the next day with nothing but a pen and a legal pad, introduces himself, and says something like, “I’m not happy because I’ve heard you all are not happy. I’m going to do whatever I can to fix that so I want you to tell me every single problem you’re having no matter how small you think it is.” And they let him have it for a good two hours. He took it like a champ, listened to and documented every single complaint, and made an actual effort to get fixes for the things we were upset about. He saved a $2 million a year account just by listening and making an effortto help keep the customer happy.

I guess the moral of the story is, good salespeople don’t sell products. They solve problems.

Kissaki , in I made this

no no no, this is the wrong way around

because sales and marketing sell it before it even exists

scrubbles OP ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

truth. Why wait for a product at all? Just sell it now, then yell at your engineers for taking so damn long!

jubilationtcornpone ,

Sales: "Can we do this?

Dev: “No, we cannot.”

Sales: “Uhhhh… But I already told the customer we could.”

Dev: “That’s called lying. You lied to the customer.”

Sales: “…So you’ll have it done next week?”

Dev: “I’m going to need at least three weeks.”

Sales: “…But I already told the customer two weeks.”

Dev: Sigh

Lexam , in I made this

Try all work done period. C suite “I made this”

ruckblack , in I made this

Which is fine with me tbh because fuck sales. I’d never survive independently, because I’d tell the customer the truth. And the truth doesn’t sell. I don’t have the energy to lie about how everything is better than it actually is.

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