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thefartographer , in How big is your desk?

I use a KVM switch tree and run it off an alternator connected to my desk bike

HamsterRage , in How big is your desk?

Many, many years ago I used to have two Wyse50 terminals, running split screens each with two parts. I did a lot of support on remote systems (via modem!) and I would have a session on a customer system, source code and running on our test system and internal stuff. I didn’t have space for a third terminal.

At another job I had an office with a “U” shaped desk. I would spread printouts across half the “U” and swivel around between the computer and the printouts.

scrubbles , (edited ) in Sysadmin comes out of the goon cave. And he is not happy in the slightest.
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Oh man if you don’t recognize xkcd… You’re in for a treat reading through them all

SatouKazuma ,

xkcd are a godsend

ShitOnABrick OP ,
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

Never heard of erm till now been reading through some his comics

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Literally relevant XKCD!

https://poptalk.scrubbles.tech/pictrs/image/bd05d783-17b1-4a28-9618-7460a107ae73.png

Enjoy, friend, it’s one of the longest running and best webcomics. xkcd.com (His books are great too)

rem26_art , in How big is your desk?
@rem26_art@fedia.io avatar

Those people you see on LinkedIn with like 20 programming languages on their resume are really looking for a job just to pay off the debt of buying 20 computers

vk6flab , in How big is your desk?
@vk6flab@lemmy.radio avatar

So, when you use 40 or so programming languages, your employer needs to supply a mansion…

I’m okay with that.

Now, where is the boss?

30p87 ,

'Yes boss, I need 16-Bit, 32-Bit and 64-Bit Arm and x86_64 ASM as well as MySQL, SQLite, Postgres, Firebird, Mongo and all other stuff too, so I need a lot of computers … of course all with Threadripper PRO 7995WX’s.

ZeroCool OP ,
@ZeroCool@vger.social avatar

Corporate be like “mandatory return to office aircraft hangar.”

lolola , in How big is your desk?
@lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That’s why programmers have all those monitors. They’re each hooked up to a different computer.

uis , (edited ) in Not everything can be done in constant time, that's O(k)

It may be efficient, not scalable for sure

umbraroze , in It's called attaining divinity

I mean, C is a high level language? Now, sure, C isn’t a super expressive language and every C statement compiles to very few assembly instructions comparatively speaking, but it has a whole lot of stuff that assembly doesn’t have. Like nice loops and other control structures and such, and not worry about which processor registers are used.

Aux ,

Guess what, assembly is also a high level language, lol.

repungnant_canary , in It's easier to remember the IPs of good DNSes, too.

Slightly related to the issue of remembering addresses, I think the main issue is with the fact that local nameservers are pretty much non-existent if you’re not running OpenWrt or OpnSense. Which is shameful because the local nameserver is an amazing quality of life tool.

Also the fact that officially there are no local TLDs except for “.arpa” while browsers won’t resolve one word domains without adding http://

And don’t get me started on TLS certificates in local networks… (although dns01 saves the day)

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

I don’t get why ‘.local’ isn’t a top level domain for LAN hosts.

orangeboats ,

.local is already used by mDNS

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

Ah, that makes sense. I just knew it was unavailable. Apparently .lan is fine to use, I think I’ll try that next time.

lambalicious OP ,

I’ve taken to using .here (or .aqui, “here” in Español, much harder to match outside) as alternatives until something better comes up.

Ideally I’d use .aquí, correctly with the diacritic, but DNS doesn’t seem to support even the basics of Unicode in 2024.

Ephera ,

Well, there is Punycode, which, if I understand correctly, is a layer before DNS, which translates a Unicode string into a DNS-compatible ASCII string.

I don’t actually recommend using that, though. Every so often, the ugly ASCII string shows up in places, because Punycode translation isn’t implemented there. Certainly increases administration complexity.

lambalicious OP ,

Yeah I’ve heard about punycode. Personally, I’m well against it because it puts down non-MURRICAN English domain names as second-class citizens on the internet. If I have a website about Copiapó, a perfectly legal town, there’s no good reason why the domain name should not be copiapó.cl rather than copiap-xcwhngoingohi4oleleiyho42yt4ptg4ht4.cl, making it look “suspect” and “malware-y”.

There were quite some complains back in the time about Firefox choosing not to “flag” internationalized names as potentially dangerous, and pretty much all those complaints that I know of likely came from English speakers who simply can’t understand other countries in the world even can have different alphabets.

Ephera ,

I mean, there is some legitimate concerns. For example, in theory, someone could register a domain “αpple.com” and use that to send phishing mails. That “α” is an alpha. The more alphabets and letter variants you allow, the more lookalikes there will be.

But yeah, in practice, domain registrars check that you’re not registering such a lookalike domain and then that’s not really a problem, as far as I’m aware.

lambalicious OP ,

And don’t get me started on TLS certificates in local networks…

I hate this and the fact that modern platforms seem to require TLS even if you’re serving localhost, so much.

FiniteBanjo , in It's called attaining divinity

I dislike the hatespeech frog tbh

almost1337 ,

I’m pretty sure Pepe was only temporarily coopted by the far rights, and has since been reclaimed.

FiniteBanjo ,

I didn’t ask and I don’t care. If people reclaimed the Swastika tomorrow but it continues to be used by trumpets and alt-right, then I sure as hell won’t start accepting it.

We don’t need it. It isn’t necessary. Let it go.

nephs ,

Have you met lemmygrad.ml?

FiniteBanjo ,

What about them?

nephs ,

You don’t have to explain why fascist symbols are bad, there. You might find most lemmygraders to be pretty reasonable.

FiniteBanjo ,

Lmfao, go suck Putin’s/Jinping’s dick elsewhere.

nephs ,

So are you saying nazi leadership in Ukraine isn’t nazi?

And all nazi symbols they use in their military isn’t nazi?

You’re confusing.

FiniteBanjo ,

There it is! Tankies are so “reasonable” being aligned with authoritarian warmongers. Idk why you proclaim to be so against nazis when you share so much of your ideology with them.

nephs ,

You acknowledge pepe the frog as an alt right fascist symbol on Internet memes. But when armed forces in Ukraine use SS and black sun on their garment, you think it’s fine. Did west reclaim swastika and other nazi symbols, then?

triplenadir ,
@triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml avatar

mournfully flipping the counter back to “0” on the “it has been X days since a turbolib said something deeply homophobic” sign

FiniteBanjo ,

What’s homophobic about calling you morons submissives for dictators?

nephs ,

At which point did I defend Putin or Xi in this conversation? I used the same argument as you did to argue that there’s Nazi sympathetic fighters in the Ukrainian armed forces.

Would you defend soldiers fighting side by side Nazi symbols?

FiniteBanjo ,

So are you saying nazi leadership in Ukraine isn’t nazi?

As you clearly appear to be unaware, Ukraine is not under “Nazi Leadership.” That’s something you were told in order to justify Russia’s attempts to conquer them for their resources and expand their own borders just as they have in the past.

nephs ,

Guilty of making use of hyperbole, whoah.

Now. Ukrainian military, its puppet leadership and its NATO allies are pretty accepting of fighting side by side, and providing weapons to Nazi sympathetic fighters.

edition.cnn.com/2024/06/12/europe/…/index.html

Apparently CNN is now part of Russian propaganda?

FiniteBanjo ,

From the article you just posted:

The battalion has said it repeatedly denies “allegations of fascism, nazism and racism,” in response to claims it had associations with White supremacists and neo-Nazi ideology.

The US State Department said Tuesday that Russian disinformation “has actively worked to discredit” the unit. “They have long tried to conflate Ukraine’s National Guard Unit of 12th Special Forces Brigade Azov with a militia formed to defend Ukraine against Russia’s invasion in 2014, called the “Azov Battalion,” a State Department spokesperson said. “That militia disbanded in 2015 and the Special Forces Brigade Azov is unrelated to that militia.”

And at the mere notion that they might have been involved in those activities, the US State department had cut their funding eligibility until it could be certain otherwise. It’s like you wanted to be proven misinformed when you posted this.

nephs , (edited )

Ok, so you’re saying that having them wearing those Nazi badges is fine because the imperialist state department from the country that hired a non negligible number of Nazis after the Germans capitulated said the nazi patch wearing azov combatants are not doing anything wrong?

And at the same time, using pepe the frog online is clearly alt-right?

Just like you believe when the US state department say Israel is doing nothing against human rights in Palestine?

You look very confused, in my opinion.

barsoap ,

Azov has gotten completely diluted by a gigantic influx of ordinary people, its hardcore Nazi times were over before they were even rolled into Ukraine’s overall command structure which came along with some more denazification. The Wolfsangel isn’t recognised as a far-right symbol in Ukraine by the general public so they kept it. It’s also not a clear-cut Nazi symbol even in Germany, you see it on plenty of coat of arms, it also has plenty of use in forestry which is its original source: You hang it with bait onto a branch to kill wolves in a rather gruesome manner. That’s outlawed nowadays but you still see it on border forestry border stones, to mark wood, etc. The heraldic use derives from that, it symbolises presence or importance of forestry in the area the coat of arm represents. Not much forest around the Azov sea, though.

Those are not the Nazis you’re looking for. If you want to see, well not exactly nazis but the hot-bed of ultranationalists in the Ukrainian army have a look at the right sector regiment. Dylan Burns did an interview.

Next up: Someone’s going to claim that the Ukrainian army uses the “Iron Cross”. First off, the Bundeswehr still uses it, secondly, no the Ukrainians don’t use it you’re looking at the Cossack Cross, derived independently from the Templar Cross, unlike the Iron Cross not via the Teutonic Order. They’ve been using that thing for centuries.

EDIT: Oh wait I just remembered I’m completely banned from lemmygrad they won’t see this. Well, whatever.

Shampiss ,

An icon represents what the people think it represents.

An icon can also have different meanings to different people. It’s ok if you don’t like it. But I don’t think it’s fair to say that the majority of people that use or share Pepe are from one specific ideological group

FiniteBanjo ,

Myself and a great many people associate it with hate speech and you’re continuing to use it regardless. That tells more about you than me.

Jax ,

I’m just gonna go ahead and say ratio’d. And yes, I’ve read all of the discourse ITT.

FiniteBanjo ,

Honestly I expected the ratio to be worse given the context of the post. People generally don’t like having harsh reality pointed out on their funny meme images.

ProgrammingSocks ,

Lmao buddy your meme policing isn’t “harsh reality” it’s useless slacktivism.

almost1337 ,

Almost every meme template has been used to make alt-right nonsense, do we just abandon any symbol they pick up for their misdeeds? Or do we push back and refuse to allow them that kind of control over our culture?

FiniteBanjo ,

Very few and far between were exclusive to the right. Pepe was. It started as theirs and continued to be theirs for a long time, in my opinion still continues to be theirs. You few fighting for the symbol’s continued use in good faith (if you are) are not the majority.

caseyweederman ,

It certainly did not start as theirs.

FiniteBanjo ,

It started as a french cartoon and got coopted into the feelsbadman meme format in 2009 and then skyrocketed in popularity and mainstream use in 2015-2016 by pro-trump conservatives.

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/bfe30768-8bb8-48a8-86c4-d6412ceacb5a.png

Even if it were present in every single greentext like some sort of bizarre requirement, it still would have more use by nazis and propogandists than anyone else.

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/e20c9dd6-aab1-419e-a32b-292ad7e7115d.jpeg

caseyweederman ,

I understand. It is inaccurate to say it started as a far-right icon.

kewjo ,

the swastika was originally a religious icon used and still used in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jianism, i wouldn’t consider them Nazis… Context matters

FiniteBanjo ,

Imagine unironically saying we should normalize nazi swastikas. If that’s not what it takes for you to reevaluate your stance, then you’re a lost cause.

kewjo ,

the symbol predates Germany, initial findings date it back to 3300-1300 BC. you’re telling me all historical religious symbols in Asian countries should wiped of the icon because of Nazis misappropriating their symbol? you would literally deface ancient sites that predate nazis by thousands of years because you can only see it as a symbol of hate?

you can use context clues such as actual hate speech, nazi slogans and genocide to distinguish those that are actually racist. the whole point of nazism is to erase culture and replace it with only the “one true race”. by allowing nazis and white supremacists to appropriate symbols you’re actively giving them power.

FiniteBanjo ,

So then, you think Nazi Swastikas without context should be allowed without any repercussions. I saw your first comment, I don’t see why you think using more words to say the same thing would make it any different.

Here are some questions: How does punishing nazis for using symbols of hate and intolerance empower them? How does allowing them to do so freely harm them in contrast?

You do not need to use a nazi swastika. A world where they are not allowed in public is a world where people feel safe and comfortable. Just as you do not need to use the frog. The frog is unimportant and only continues to exist because people like you fight for it.

kewjo ,

literally my first comment said context matters. if you see an image with hate speech maybe its the speech that you should pay attention to.

FiniteBanjo ,

Yes, again, I’ve read your comments and understood them. Maybe you’re the one having comprehension troubles, here?

I don’t see how this comment in any way argues against any of my statements. You either never disagreed with me to begin with about swastikas being bannable outside of specific religious contexts, or you want contextless hate speech to be allowed as a blanket rule. There is no in-between.

kewjo ,

is English your first language because you either don’t understand what I’m saying or you are too ignorant to understand.

swastikas being bannable outside of specific religious contexts

that’s literally what i said. the context around the symbol is what is important. no one in south west asia sees a swastika and think Nazis because it’s part of the religious culture. just as no one sees Pepe and thinks nazis because no one normal participated in that shit subculture of 4chan except Nazis.

Let’s actually look at what happened with Pepe, he was created by an artist then appropriated by Nazis. The artist then posted that he was outraged and disappointed that it was taken over by Nazis. people listened and were also outraged and did everything to normalize and take it back from the Nazis, because again it wasn’t theirs to take in the first place. now you imagine the 12 year old posting it are nazis when they have no context of any of the events your talking about. go touch grass, your brain is rotting.

Ziglin ,

We should turn their name into an extreme political symbol symbol on the opposite side of their political spectrum. That way they’ll know that they’re also evil because they use that evil symbol.

kewjo ,

right? imagine some one came for Calvin and Hobbes. don’t come for my cartoons, the one pure thing in this world

FiniteBanjo ,

You threatening to post hatespeech to prove me wrong about pepe belonging to people who commit hatespeech is certainly an interesting play.

FiniteBanjo ,

How can you sit there and understand that Swastikas are not acceptable and belong to fascist racial supremacists, while also have the understanding that it is used acceptably by religions from the east, but not understand how pepe can belong to the alt-right? You’re holding opposing views, it’s like you’re just here to argue.

barsoap ,

So then, you think Nazi Swastikas without context should be allowed without any repercussions.

That’s incoherent. “Nazi swastika” and “without context” doesn’t mesh because “Nazi” is a context for “swastika”.

That aside, I’m going to take German law as an example: No, non-nazi swastikas are very much not outlawed. You can see them on stray Hindu temples or shrines in the country, for example. “Without” context they’re generally assumed to be Nazi ones over here because historical context, also, only Nazis draw random swastikas over here. You also see ones broken in pieces getting thrown in the trash or in a crossed-out circle, those come from the Antifa side.

Both the Hindu and Antifa uses are legal, the Nazi ones aren’t. That’s because German law doesn’t outlaw the swastika as such, it outlaws “using symbols of unconstitutional or outlawed organisations in a manner suitable to further their aims”. A Nazi painting a Swastika on a Jewish gravestone is considered furthering the aims of the NSDAP, which had the swastika as their logo. A Hindu chiselling a swastika into their gravestone is a completely different matter. (Do Hindus use gravestones? Anyway doesn’t matter it’s a hypothetical example).

In another country, where the historical context is different, those “without” context swastikas won’t be interpreted the same as in Germany. So even under German law those would arguably be legal, there.

Sidyctism2 ,

Its even older than that actually. The oldest recorded use of the swastika is from around 13.000 BCE. Here is a good article by the BBC: bbc.com/…/20210816-the-ancient-symbol-that-was-hi…

Agent641 ,

You’re right. Hey lemmy, lets all accommodate this one guys specific likes and dislikes so he doesn’t get his lil feels hurt!

FiniteBanjo ,

“Hey everybody, cartoon frogs with a history of hate speech are more important to me than basic human empathy.”

Drewelite ,

If you let them dictate what is theirs, they’ll take everything.

FiniteBanjo ,

Lmao, what a wild assumption that they could take whatever icons they like, with no basis in reality.

jwmgregory ,

Lmao, what a wild assumption that they could take whatever icons they like, with no basis in reality.

that’s…. exactly what they do buddy. you don’t seem the type to care for counter-examples so i won’t even try and list any of the many, many fucking instances of this happening irl

FiniteBanjo ,

Ohmygod you’re right just look at the countless examples:

  • Pepe the Frog 2015
  • Swastika 1907
  • ??

They can really just take whatever they want! /sarcasm

Leate_Wonceslace ,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Degenerate, 88, 14, the Roman salute, multiple names, the fascista, shaven heads, lighting motifs, runic symbols.

That’s just what I came up with off the top of my head. The other person is right, and I say we should reclaim every symbol because those fuckers shouldn’t be allowed to call anything their own or have anything to ralley around or identify each other with. The only symbol I’m aware of that the made was the black sun which is itself simply the ss symbol repeated around a circle, which itself is an appropriated rune.

Reclaim every symbol.

Ziglin ,

I do believe 88 was just 2x the 8th letter of the alphabet which is H, which was short for what they say in the Hitlergruß.

This is a perfectly reasonable explanation to me and fits too well for this to seem like a coincidence.

Leate_Wonceslace ,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I believe that’s correct, yes.

FiniteBanjo ,

88, the Roman Salute, a couple of names, and double lightning aren’t acceptable and it can stay that way without any harm. Why do you even want those things? It serves no good.

Shaven heads, runes, 14, and the word Degenerate are all fine without additional context, but the first 3 can certainly be red flags in the presence of additional factors.

They should have symbols to call their own, so we can easily identify and target them.

Leate_Wonceslace ,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Why do you even want those things?

I’m a mathematician. 88 is a number. You think letting them have an entire number isn’t damaging?

Drewelite ,

Just off the top of my head those are a few. And that’s with people holding the line and continuing to use these symbols without hate. We don’t need more people defending their claims.

FiniteBanjo ,

The difference is that none of these things are widely considered hate speech. Pepe is.

Drewelite ,

The only person in this thread who seems intent on pepe being about hate speech is you. I’ve been asked in some formal settings to avoid using the OK hand sign in case it sends the wrong message. I’ve been advised by tattoo artists to avoid Nordic symbols despite the fact that I’m of Scandinavian descent. You’re enabling the worst kind of people to decide what symbols mean in our culture. Why?

FiniteBanjo ,

The top level comment is a 15:65 ratio, and that is in the context of a meme utilizing pepe.

Where did you study Futhark and why do you want them on your skin? Some of my ancestors were latin but you won’t see me getting a pheonician or greek alphabet on my fingers.

Drewelite ,

That’s your position. Not mine. They can’t have shit, because I won’t let them https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/87aa6f62-defe-4c00-8a60-1e5ae8247fa7.jpeg

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

pepe is my gay son and i love him

Agent641 ,

I didnt ask and I dont care.

FiniteBanjo ,

Cool

ProgrammingSocks ,

That’s Apu not Pepe either way, but many leftists use pepe anyways. Just maybe not the ones you know.

fmstrat , in Old timers know

I remember this. I also remember using scp instead. And ftp, if I go back far enough. rsync is still my friend though zfs has mostly replaced it now.

BoneALisa ,
@BoneALisa@lemm.ee avatar

How has zfs replaced rsync for you? One is a filesystem, and the other is a filesyncing tool. Does zfs do something im not aware of lol?

fmstrat ,

I used to use rsync to copy data from my storage array on one machine to an external and an off site backup. Since a lot of it was code, it always took forever to scan all the small files, and I had to script unlocking remote partitions.

With encrypted ZFS, I can just zfs snap then zfs send, and it does the same thing at the block level, raw, so way faster, less data transfer, and no need to send a key or passphrase unless I need to mount it at the destination (meaning a cloud provider could never know the data, for instance).

ZFS is also recursive, so if I have s/storage and /storage/stuff defined, I can snap and send either level, which makes it as versatile as rsync.

BoneALisa ,
@BoneALisa@lemm.ee avatar

Oh interesting, i am not super familar with zfs’ tools, so thats pretty cool! Ill have to look at that for my storage array.

Zip2 , in Old timers know

Oh please, you didn’t even have to turn the cassette or floppy disc over. You and your luxuries.

Shadow , in Old timers know
@Shadow@lemmy.ca avatar

FileZilla isn’t even that old school, cuteftp was the OG one afaik.

ashitaka ,

No way, WS_FTP was more OG.

Shadow ,
@Shadow@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah you’re totally right, I forgot about that.

There was flashfxp too but I think that was a fair bit later. Revolutionized being a warez courier.

brbposting ,

I’m not FBI

being a warez courier.

Spill. You bring those R5s across the ocean? Send audio from the handicap audio jack at the multiplex? Hustle up some telecines? Sneak Battletoads outta the backroom at GameStop before it hit shelves?

Shadow ,
@Shadow@lemmy.ca avatar

Back in the day (mid/late 90’s), there were private ftp servers that required a ratio. Some of these were run by release groups and hard to get on, some were more public. Couriers would download from one site and upload to another to build their ratio and get access to the good sites.

Before people figured out you could connect two ftp servers together directly, you would have to download to your computer and reupload. Most people were on dialup, so that was a non trivial time commitment.

brbposting ,

Ohhh didn’t know about that sense of the word in that context. Interesting!

Do you have any idea what the warez scene is like today?

Also there was a bot on the former Warez-BB dot org that would post scene releases seemingly moments after they pre’d. Imagine those kinds of people are on Telegram or something today…

Shadow ,
@Shadow@lemmy.ca avatar

Nope, no idea what it’s like today.

brbposting ,

The joys of having $xx/mo to reward creators. (Maybe only $.xx goes to the actual creators but still, it feels better!)

HAL_9_TRILLION ,

Oh god, I know all of these.

Also fuck Tim Kosse. Bundled Filezilla with malware and fucked up my machine in 2014. Had to reinstall Windows. I’ll never use it again.

I use WinSCP on Windows and Forklift on MacOS.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

I remember WS_FTP LE leaving log files everywhere. What a pain to clean up.

arandomthought ,

Yeah, I used to use filezilla and I’m not that old… Right? …Right?

anonymoose ,
@anonymoose@lemmy.ca avatar

Sure, grandpa/grandma, time for your medicine.

neo , in Such a pain in the sas

“Is your computer connected to a power outlet? Yes? Could you please unplug it and plug it back in for me?”

marcos ,

It’s a much larger problem when there are several different cables.

BlueMagma ,

Also: please check the other end of the cable, the one that isn’t plug in the wall, yes that one, plugged on the screen, unplug and plug it back in please.

finkrat , in Old timers know

A lot are still doing that and haven’t moved up

(Please at least use SFTP!)

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