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MonkderZweite , in Beginner developer moment

That’s where innovation happens.

navigatron , in Positive Affirmations for Site Reliability Engineers

Devops is a meaningful term

jdeath ,

You were born to deploy kubernetes

noproblemmy , in Beginner developer moment

How you see your projects trying to accept that you might need to compromise.

CowsLookLikeMaps , in Beginner developer moment

That last plane is very excited to see you.

pixxelkick , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio

What if they are actually a software engineer, with a cert? >_>;

I have worked with actual cert’d engineers on web projects, lol

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

with a cert

Engineering isn’t usually a cert. It’s a degree. I have a Bachelor of Engineering, majoring in Software Engineering. There’s probably a cert level qualification in software development, and frankly it’s probably just as good at producing effective software developers as an engineering degree, but it would be misleading, if you claim that only those with some particular qualification can call themselves engineers, for the qualification to be a cert.

pixxelkick ,

In Canada the Cert and the Degree are separate.

You typically through getting your degree also become certified, but the key is while your degree lasts forever, the Cert has to be maintained and renewed.

Cert has a lifetime and expires and you have to keep it up to date.

In Alberta for example the regulatory authority is APEGA: alis.alberta.ca/occinfo/…/engineer/

I think even technically the license is also a separate piece of paperwork.

Degree: you completed school at some point

Cert: up to date on current practices, must be maintained, requires the degree

License: you are legally allowed to practice in the province/country and have registered. Requires degree+cert

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Ah right, you’re talking certification. I was thinking certificate, because “Certificate I – Certificate IV” are very common less-than-Bachelor qualifications where I live, usually shortened to Cert I–Cert IV.

Obviously the terms “certificate” and “certification” are etymologically basically identical, but their meaning when it comes to the type of qualifications they represent are significantly different.

grue ,

It’s a license issued by the state. As in, “you could go to jail for practicing engineering without a license.”

(Source: was on track to become a licensed civil engineer until I decided to do software “engineering” instead.)

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

software “engineering”

See, the thing is, software engineering in Australia is engineering. My degree was accredited by Engineers Australia and had the same requirements as a civil or mechanical engineering degree.

Of course, it definitely is still the black sheep of the engineering world. In the vast majority of (possibly all) cases, practising as an actual engineer is no different from practising as someone with a different degree (like IT or computer science), practising with a lower-level qualification like a certificate, or practising after being entirely self-taught.

grue ,

In the US, to become a licensed engineer you need to get an accredited bachelor’s degree in it, and then pass the “Fundamentals of Engineering” exam to become a state-licensed “Engineer in Training (EIT),” and then work in the field for four years, and then pass the “Principles and Practice of Engineering” exam to become a state-licensed “Professional Engineer (PE).” The degree is just the first step.

Does Australia let civil engineers certify construction plans straight out of college? (Answer: apparently – and surprisingly – some states do!)

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Fwiw in my previous comment’s second paragraph when I said “practising as an engineer” that meant “practising as a [software] engineer”. I wasn’t claiming that that’s how it works for all fields of engineering, but pointing out specifically how software engineering is more similar to degrees in computer science, IT, or being self taught.

intensely_human ,

eit

Granixo , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio
@Granixo@feddit.cl avatar

And this why i aim to get a PhD.

ArchAengelus ,

So you can get banned from Tinder for impersonating a doctor?

(I too have a PhD. I feel your pain)

MajorHavoc ,

I just want to get a PhD so I can start my mad science career on the right foot.

intensely_human ,

A player hater’s degree? Oh hell yeah!

Zikeji , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio
@Zikeji@programming.dev avatar

What if my job title says that? Who’s going to tell my employer they’re wrong.

Then again, “full stack software engineer” as a title might also well just be buzzwords.

!And yes, I know the site is satire lol.!<

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

I liken a software engineer to someone like an architect. Architects will spend countless hours doing research, sketching out designs, creating documentation and presentations, and maybe even building to-scale models. But one thing they don’t do is actually build their designs. The constructions workers do that. And in the case of software (be it web or otherwise), those people are the developers.

Now, there are exceptions to every rule. I acknowledge that - especially in computing - it’s possible to blur lines. But I still feel there many more developers than there are real software engineers.

macaroni1556 ,

But architects aren’t engineers either! We have engineers in building construction, they are called engineers.

They ensure all required calculations are done, all safety standards are adhered to, they complete detailed designs, and they sign off on a project legally so things like quotes and timelines have legal teeth.

overzeetop ,
@overzeetop@lemmy.world avatar

And, unlike engineers in manufacturing whose deep-pocket corporations bought an exemption, Engineers in the A/E/C field are licensed. And if you screw up you can lose your ability to work in your field…forever.

astraeus ,
@astraeus@programming.dev avatar

I haven’t met an “engineer” who isn’t developing code. This is such a weird distinction. The people asking for a design are the customer, the high level design handled by the product manager, the nitty gritty is handled by the software engineers. Some businesses may make a distinction for payroll purposes but there is no prevailing standard.

intensely_human ,

Unless you know what “full stack” means.

invertedspear , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio

I mean, engineering is really problem solving, and not do we web developers solve problems. We may have made most of them ourselves, and new ones when we solve those, but we do solve problems.

Kissaki ,

The term engineering is not about problem-solving, especially when differentiated from development. Engineering is about deliberate understanding and decision-making, about giving it an architecture, a structure.

You can develop without any structure, solving an issue, without understanding a bigger context or picture or behavior. But that’s not engineering.

intensely_human ,

Engineering is the use of scientific knowledge to achieve specific goals.

ichmagrum , in Ohh shit....

If you’re still laughing, try not taking any caffeine for a full day. I recently tried to stop the habit (digestive issues) and it’s really damn hard.

sbv ,

I find anything other than light roast espresso gives me stomach pain.

I’ve stopped a few times to make sure I’m not developing an addiction, and yeah, it can be tough.

stepanzak ,

I just did a week without coffee, and I’m really proud of myself.

De_Narm , in Beginner developer moment

Half of them fly, that’s pretty impressive.

sbv , in Beginner developer moment

They look kinda done tho

SwingingKoala , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio
@SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Lol. tinder fact checks bios? Hilarious…

Tja , in MySQL moment

MongoDB, on the other hand, is web scale.

scratchandgame , in STOP USING GITHUB

Use Codeberg ;)

I love repo.or.cz since it is enough.

sag OP ,

What do you mean? Real Programmer use Zip file to share source code.

scratchandgame ,

“real”.

repo.or.cz is lightweight. Codeberg isn’t, and it is currently not as fast as github.

You can always fall back to your “zip”, anyways. But why don’t .tgz?

sag OP ,

I was just joking man. Yeah, I visit repo.or.cz it’s pretty lightweight and I loved it.

scratchandgame ,

But I don’t think you are brave enough to take it up :)

sag OP ,

Yea. I am not gonna use use repo.or.cz

fibojoly , in It's kahoot time

What a kahoot?

LinearArray ,
@LinearArray@programming.dev avatar

A quiz game

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