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FabledAepitaph , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio

I perused the comments and didn’t see anyone mention this. The term “engineer” is regulated by every state in the US. I doubt they had Tinder in mind, but calling yourself an “engineer” without having a Professional Engineer license is illegal, at least when it comes to offering professional engineering services. It’s a protected title so that schools and bridges don’t get built by scammers–at least that was the intention. I can legally call myself an Engineer!

Just go get your license, and you should be golden lol.

Simulation6 , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio

I have a CS Masters degree and it says engineer on it.

Blue_Morpho ,

Did you Master Engineering Computer Scientists?

Simulation6 ,

Darn skippy I did! Not much of a web designer, though.

AnagrammadiCodeina ,

No. Counter strike

NigelFrobisher ,

Unironically this. Started playing on the campus network in my master’s year.

lole ,

There is a difference between Computer Science and >!web development!< though.

abhibeckert ,

There really isn’t. For example web browsers can execute assembly now and a good “web developer” (I’d call them a software engineer) will use assembly where appropriate.

Natanael ,

With WebUSB (supported in Chrome) and the possibility to build web applications to controls physical devices there’s definitely some web developers who can claim to be proper engineers even in the strict definitions

jj4211 ,

“web development” casts a wide net.

The classic imagery of someone playing with frontpage back in the day, or screwing around with html in a text editor, sure. But those folks wouldn’t call themselves web developers (there was a phase over 20 years ago where anyone that cobbled together a geocities would declare ‘web developer’ on their resume, but I haven’t seen someone do that in ages).

However, you can get in pretty deep with code running in the browser as javascript and/or wasm. Backend gives them some nested dictionary in json or protobuf and they parse, manipulate, iterate over it, sometimes making some pretty complex visualizations. Basically a ‘web developer’ is nowadays on par with any Game or GUI application developer in terms of what they might be writing. There are a few things left out of direct reach by a browser runtime, but you have access to plenty and the backend abstractions to get something in reach of HTTP are often no easier than the thing being abstracted, it’s just reframed as ‘http’.

cupcakezealot , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

they should also ban web developers who refer to themselves as ninjas, especially code ninjas

Figureinplastic ,

Bullshit. This started long ago. We’re deep in the midst of it now.

sunbeam60 ,

Ninjas, super-heroes, black-belt and terms like that are known gender-excluders. I’ve been through a couple of adjustment sessions for company standard job descriptions and it’s unreal how you can change the applicant mix by wording.

RonSijm ,
@RonSijm@programming.dev avatar

What if you do it ironically? Like calling yourself a Code Ninja Jedi 10x Rockstar 🚀?

jj4211 ,

Ah yes, I’ve spent decades cringing when I meet a self-proclaimed or even peer-proclaimed “rockstar”, “ninja”, “guru”, “jedi”, or probably a half dozen other “cool” designations for a tech worker.

NostraDavid ,
@NostraDavid@programming.dev avatar

rockstar

We fixed that one: codewithrockstar.com

anders , in Ohh shit....

@devilish666 lol :D

sfxrlz , in Ohh shit....

Jokes on you. I’ve been a drug addict before starting to code

survivalmachine , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio

Honestly, nobody should call themselves an engineer unless they literally drive trains for a living.

Omega_Haxors ,

Infrastructure erasure in the states is so bad that people who build it for a living aren’t even considered anymore.

Kissaki ,

Driving a train is engineering?

survivalmachine ,

In North America, the driver of a train engine is called an “engineer”, yes.

Kissaki ,

I see, TIL. That’s different from Germany, where Ingenieur is a protected term.

_MusicJunkie ,

In the railway context an engineer was the person who worked the engine.

In German the word comes from Latin roughly meaning inventor. Presumably the general usage of the word engineer in English has the same etymology.

intensely_human ,

See I’d call that a conductor

captsneeze ,

In the US, a conductor is the one who checks tickets, makes announcements, and delegates tasks to the crew to help ensure things keep moving on time.

The locomotive engineer is the one who is “driving” the train. They run the engine and communicate with dispatch and traffic control to keep them informed where this particular train is fitting into the overall juggling act,. They also make every effort to keep things safe (watching for signals, obstructions, etc.).

I’m not 100% sure if the terminology is different outside of the Us.

(Source: My father is a 3rd generation locomotive engineer.)

MiDaBa ,

See I thought a conductor was a person who grabs a live main wire while standing in water.

TheLobotomist ,
@TheLobotomist@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Funny and infromative

VoterFrog ,

Or they build trebuchets

sunbeam60 ,

In many countries the term “engineer” is a protected title.

survivalmachine ,

Yes, driving trains is becoming more and more important as we find out how terrible cars are for the environment. We should protect the profession fiercely!

cyborganism , in My Git Knowledge

Once you understand that everything is similar to a tag, like branch names are basically tags that move forward with each commit, that HEAD is a tag that points to your current commit location in history, and what command moves what kind of tag, it becomes easier to understand.

Suddenly having a detached HEAD isn’t as scary as you might think. You get a better understanding of fast forward merges vs regular 3-way merge.

Also understanding that each commit is unique and will always remain in the history and can be recovered using special commands. Nothing is lost in git, unless you delete the .git sub-directory.

zaphod ,
@zaphod@lemmy.ca avatar

For folks unaware, the technical git term, here, is a ‘ref’. Everything that points to a commit is a ref, whether it’s HEAD, the tip of a branch, or a tag. If the git manpage mentions a ‘ref’ that’s what it’s talking about.

cyborganism ,

Right. I just wanted to keep it as simple as possible.

embed_me ,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

Honestly I’ve come to realise that being precise is the simplest in the long run

spikespaz ,

People get overloaded with words. You have to focus on one concept at a time. Let them ask for others.

zaphod ,
@zaphod@lemmy.ca avatar

Oh, no worries, just figured I’d add that extra little bit of detail as it’s a useful hook into a lot of other git concepts.

docAvid ,

Orphaned commits can get garbage collected at some point, though.

cyborganism , (edited )

Oh fuck. I didn’t think of that. Than you for reminding me.

Edit: Ah but you can only run this in your local repo. If you happen to push anything, you might not be able to run it on the remote. Many DevOps platforms won’t allow it.

docAvid ,

Oh yeah, and anybody else who had fetched in those commits may still have them as well. It’s hard for something to be gone-gone, but it may be annoyingly-hard-to-recover-gone.

uis ,

This I call decapitation

cali_ash , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio

While backend- and other types of software developers seem to be unaffected

What if you write backend code for web application?

MisterFrog , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio
@MisterFrog@lemmy.world avatar

As a non-software engineer, feels weird that they’re making this distinction.

I don’t have much to do with engines either.

I take engineer to mean: designs stuff that does some task, involving SOME kind of calculation.

Visual designer: not an engineer

Piping designer: not an engineer (although this one felt weird, that’s what the piping designer corrected me to say, so)

Chemical engineer: ya

Mechanical engineer: yeah

Software engineer: totally different flavour, but still yeah

Language is what we want it to be.

Web designers presumably still need to script things, I reckon that counts 👍

BehindTheBarrier , in My Git Knowledge

I made do with my IDE, even after getting a developer job. Outside shenanigans involving a committed password, and the occasional empty commit to trigger a build job on GitHub without requiring a new review to be approved, I still don’t use the commandline a lot.

But it’s true, if you managed to commit and push, you are OK. Even the IDE will make fixing most merges simple.

EatATaco ,

These threads drive home the point that a GUI of some sort is far superior for most users. I use git kraken, but in the past I’ve used git extensions as well, and I take advantage of so much more git has to offer than pretty much everyone here.

I swear people just want the cli to be better so they claim it is, but I really don’t get how. Especially for quickly scanning the repo, doing diffs, commiting partial files, history, blame, etc.

MrScottyTay , in Ohh shit....

Hate that a lot of programmer “culture” revolves around coffee. We should not be normalising caffeine addictions

sbv ,

a lot of programmer “culture” revolves around coffee

It comes up in memes/jokes, but aside from that, what else does it have to do with our subculture?

I’m not sure that it’s even ours. Coffee comes up a lot in general office culture.

MostlyBlindGamer ,
@MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com avatar

Every time I go into the office we take like 5 coffee breaks throughout the day. Some coworkers have switched from pods to espresso machines to bring down the cost per cup.

Is it just my team? I feel like this is pretty common.

explodicle ,

It’s not just you. My new year’s resolution was to go down from double shots to single shots.

MostlyBlindGamer ,
@MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com avatar

But the only way to make a single is to split a double. It just can’t be done.

MrScottyTay ,

Yeah I guess it’s more that the general office world bleeds into the dev world

NegativeInf ,

Pretty sure it’s just general… culture? Caffeine, other than sugar, is the most normalized addiction. It’s a potion that works for multiple purposes.

redcalcium , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio

This is a new satire site, right? These days it’s getting harder and harder to differentiate between reality and fiction in tech. The rest of their posts are pretty much spot on.

Poutinetown ,

Reality in Canada.

hansl ,

It’s a good thing that Engineer is a protected profession and not everyone can claim it, like Lawyer or Doctor.

In the US now it’s “oh you’re an engineer? Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?”

macaroni1556 ,

I disagree, I believe the regulatory agencies do nothing in Canada to legitimize their claim to regulating software development. Heck, they do nothing for electronics or semiconductors or anything smaller than the power grid.

hansl ,

Software development is done by developers. If you are a software engineer chances are you’re working on software infrastructure that actually apply at scales that are not “add a shopping cart to this blog”.

There are reasons you ask a civil engineer for work.

macaroni1556 ,

You missed my point that if professional engineering societies in Canada want to take ownership of software and electronics, they better do something and not just say they’re regulating it and sit on it with no clear definition for what it even is.

If they were doing their job, we wouldn’t need to debate what a software engineer is. They’ve let us down and they’re getting away with it.

hansl ,

They’re regulating engineering of software and electronics.

From Engineers Canada;

In the case of software engineering, a piece of software (or a software-intensive system) can therefore be considered an engineering work if both of the following conditions are true:

• The development of the software required “the application of a systematic, disciplined, quantifiable approach to the development, operation, and maintenance of software.”

• There is a reasonable expectation that failure or inappropriate functioning of the system would result in harm to life, health, property, economic interests, the public welfare, or the natural environment.

That does seem to me well defined. If you disagree then it’s okay.

Edit: taken from this: engineerscanada.ca/…/professional-practice-softwa… which also add context.

I cannot speak about electronics as my education was in software engineering.

macaroni1556 ,

Not so much well defined as fancy words. There is no example of a paying software development that has no economic impact if the software were to fail.

If I ran a small shopify page for goat feed, I’d be an engineer for making sure the site stayed working so farmers could order their feed. It could even put lives at risk!

It really only excludes someone privately working on a video game for fun.

So given that, what are they actually regulating? What are they providing to their members to help them become better “software engineers”. I say it’s nothing at all? +

Slotos ,

If you’re a software engineer, you’re applying an engineering process to the field of software development. Adding a shopping cart to a blog can be a perfectly sound solution to the problem at hand.

Engineering becomes more important at scale, but scale itself doesn’t define engineering.

hansl ,

That’s missing the point. Engineers perform at a specific level. You don’t expect civil engineers to build the bridge. Can they do it? Sure. But that’s not the profession. Same with Structural Engineers, Chemical Engineers, Industrial Engineers, etc. They are at a higher level in the planification and execution process and will likely have signatory responsibilities on the project. If the bridge falls, the engineer does have explaining to do.

The equivalent for a software engineer would be (in the US) more at the level of architect with responsibilities higher than developers.

But engineers is not a protected term so everyone is an engineer now.

UnityDevice ,

That’s a very arbitrary delineation that just seems to be something you worked out backwards to support your claim. I’m an EE and software developer and I sometimes do projects involving both fields (which would be computer engineering, I guess), and there’s really not that much difference. I certainly don’t see why I would label half of it engineering and the other half not.

rimjob_rainer ,

You can be web dev with an engineering degree

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Thanks, I didn’t even notice. It’s not a normal decision that would be made, but sometimes there’s weird stuff buried deep in the paperwork.

UndercoverUlrikHD ,

The name of the website is a play on the satire website the onion, it’s satire.

Socsa ,

It’s sort of based in reality. In general most software jobs are closer to technician work than engineering these days. However, there definitely are lots of software jobs which do qualify as engineering.

soggy_kitty ,

I don’t take any article post or comment seriously anymore. Between the era of misinformation and advancements in AI, my trust in the internet is at an all time low.

Make your own decisions, second guess everything

ytg , in My Git Knowledge

Every once in a while, you can refresh your memory by reading the man page.

Or if, like me, you use Emacs, Magit exposes everything quite clearly.

jonsnothere , in Tinder to ban web developers who use 'engineer' in their bio

As long as they don’t start building tunnels under their house because they’re an ‘engineer’…

Nomecks ,

Nobody give them stamps!

Schnabeltierpoet ,

🎶 … trust me, Im an engineer I think I put this thing right here … 🎶

Ohi , in My Git Knowledge

Aye, most of my 10 year career in web dev is pretty much those commands. However, some advanced git concepts are worth diving into. Stuff like git bisect that can narrow down the exact commit that broke your app is an absolute life saver. Knowing how to git cherry-pick is also a git skill professionals should be comfortable doing. Migrating work from one branch to another without merging the entire branch is pretty common.

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