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NaoPb , in He revealed the secrets !

Turns out the people in IT don’t actually make the computers either. Who’d have thought?

ipkpjersi , in He revealed the secrets !

The scary thing is some people actually believe this, and NIH syndrome is unfortunately all too real lol

Crack0n7uesday , in He revealed the secrets !

If your seriously into Access you might be a SQL dev…

jubilationtcornpone ,

I prefer my databases in Excel. /s

AnUnusualRelic , in He revealed the secrets !
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Is Microsoft Access what they call Microsoft Excel nowadays?

somethingp ,

No Microsoft Access is/was a GUI software actually meant to have databases instead of how everyone uses Excel/spreadsheets as databases. It is a part of the office suite. It works pretty much like traditional databases but has an easier to access GUI for non programmers I guess. I don’t think it’s used a ton nowadays except for legacy processes that haven’t been updated.

MinekPo1 , (edited )
@MinekPo1@lemmy.ml avatar

No its microsofts database GUI program that’s part of Microsoft Office . imagine software made for users who have a vague understanding of SQL and visual basic but then an exec. forced the designers and devs to make it accessible to everyone while giving them barely any teamembers causing a fuckton of technical debt and unintuitive quirks , making anyone who opens the software feel like they have just been placed in a highly equipped tank , in front of a wall of unlabeled levers and told to drive the tank , or at least that’s how I view it.

(reposting from another account sorry if you see both comments)

fruitycoder ,

No its another program, I’ve seen people make weird stuff with it like ticketing systems and notes apps. I’ve never seen it be a robust program though

ILikeBoobies ,

It’s the actual database app by Microsoft

I assume it hasn’t existed for a number of years

brbposting ,
ILikeBoobies ,

But why

urist ,
@urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

We use it at work for it’s actual intended purpose: as a small database that isn’t customer facing. It’s used and maintained by nontechnical staff to keep data about equipment (slot machines).

It would be too much info for excel, but it’s not enough to really need anything more.

vk6flab , in He revealed the secrets !
@vk6flab@lemmy.radio avatar

As an aside, I recall the early days when @SwiftOnSecurity was purposely ambiguous about the distinction between the artist Taylor Swift and their technology tweets. It was delicious to see confused responses.

At some point it changed. Not sure what triggered that. I have a vague memory of a stroke, but I might be misremembering.

Steve , in He revealed the secrets !

Aren’t IT people just janitors that tell you to turn it off and back on again?

mikyopii ,
@mikyopii@programming.dev avatar

I’ve been an actual janitor and a sysadmin… they’re not dissimilar. You clean up other people’s shit for a living.

a4ng3l ,

So do I but with exception of the unfortunate cp that calls for bleaching eyes (and security) one is more sanitary than the other…

datavoid ,

I hope you work with the public, sounds like a weird organization

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Any day you/your company could potentially be contacted by a 3 letter agency and/or the police to pull the data from a specific user for an investigation. “ESI request” is a term I hear on occasion.

It’s a good idea to be on good terms with your employers lawyers.

papabobolious ,

I’ll just tell them about GDPR

a4ng3l ,

Telco. Back then I was internal investigation. 25k employees. Bound to have some bad apples unfortunately. Honestly not weirder than elsewhere.

parpol ,

They don’t even exist anymore. They’ve been replaced by devops programmers.

jimmydoreisalefty , in He revealed the secrets !
@jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world avatar

hahaha, this reminds me of certain politicians…

Where they say the quiet part out loud, while most people will ignore it and the status quo continues as is.

We don’t want the Silicon Valley bubble to imploding, right?

p.s. would burst be a better word than imploding? word of the day…

s12 ,

Explosion?

jimmydoreisalefty ,
@jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, that one would work!

Seems, I wanted an excuse to use the word, ‘implode’, hahaha

vk6flab ,
@vk6flab@lemmy.radio avatar

Yes officer … right here …

Terrorism? No. Nothing to do with chemistry it’s something much more insidious…

THAT’S a PHP programmer. Look how they’re fixated on implode() vs. explode() …

mexicancartel ,

Explode

jimmydoreisalefty ,
@jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world avatar

That would work!

I seem to prefer the pronunciation of the prefix of ‘implode’ vs ‘explode’, a bit too much, hahaha

JohnnyCanuck , in Developing a third party UI for a platform you use frequently feels like this sometimes
@JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca avatar

I do think we need a “tap” horn (thumb button) and an “I’m mad” horn (press/punch the middle of the steering wheel).

On some cars, the “courtesy honk” is all but impossible.

ptz OP ,
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

My car is like that. I’ve just stopped trying; it always comes out as angry honk. lol

RIP_Cheems , in He revealed the secrets !
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Ok bud, yeah right, Delete that. Delete that RIGHT NOW.

fubarx , in He revealed the secrets !

Wait till they find out what software ‘architects’ really do.

maryjayjay ,

They do the same thing building architects do. They draw pretty pictures of the end product that may of may not be structurally sound, then rely on engineers to build it and make sure it doesn’t collapse.

marcos ,

Wait, did you find out? Can you tell us?

fubarx ,

Sorry, I don’t have enough certifications to answer that question.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I tried to get a software architect to explain their job to me once, it was like a “lean startup”, a libertarian, and a psychic had written an elevator pitch together.

rimjob_rainer ,

A good software engineer is also an architect. You don’t need dedicated architects if you have good developers.

But on the other hand there are much more questionable and unnecessary jobs like product managers or managers of managers.

xmunk ,

I disagree with not needing dedicated architects at least once you reach a certain size. If there are 50 plus developers working on a dozen or more projects there’s a large communication cost to stay on top of everything.

fruitycoder ,

I always saw architects roles in modern development being the person trying to find synergies between different teams andcoordinateing them working with each other.

Like if some team makes a sick project for managing streams of data streams the architect should be promoting it for other teams to leverage.

xmunk ,

That’s one role, as a software architect I also often served as the sunk cost fallacy bad news delivery system. It’s a good idea to keep some eyes from outside your team on your project just to do the occasional sensibility check.

There is also a large responsibility to make sure different teams are well coordinated and not building the system in directly opposing directions. It really fucking sucks to have your work, as a developer, invalidated by someone else’s work suddenly without any warning.

Aceticon ,

The good ones: design and adjust software development processes, standards for cross-project functionality and reusability and in general try and improve at a high level the process of making, maintaining and improving software in a company.

The bad ones: junior/mid-level software design with a thick layer of bullshit on top to spin it as advanced stuff.

If you want to see bad software architecture, just look at most of Google’s frameworks and libraries.

fruitycoder , in He revealed the secrets !

This the dangerous kind of parody, I would rather help people with excel programs than another access program and that’s a pain in the ass.

xmunk ,

I draw the line at CSV ingestion.

vk6flab , in He revealed the secrets !
@vk6flab@lemmy.radio avatar

It’s mind bending that there are actual humans on the planet, paid a shit tonne more than software developers, who not only believe the parody highlighted by @SwiftOnSecutity, but treat and share it as gospel, acting on it with nutjob metrics to “increase productivity” whilst salivating over the hyperbole around “AI” that is sweeping the globe, dreaming of a better world.

One without those pesky developers with their brains, thoughts and opinions.

But, what do I know, I’ve been in this profession for only 40 years…

themeatbridge ,

You’re probably not the biggest asshole in the room. In my experience, the person making decisions (and the most money) is never the most qualified, most competent, most efficient, or hardest working individual. They are just the biggest asshole in the room. They’re willing to be loud and belligerently wrong, they’re willing to take credit for the accomplishments of others, they’re willing to shift blame onto someone else, they’re willing to demand everyone else work harder than they do, and they’re willing to demand far more than their fair share of the profit.

And they will be mollified by the rest because nobody is a bigger asshole. Most people just want to do their jobs, and don’t want to rock the boat. Competent people see opportunity to ride in the wake of the biggest asshole in the room.

If you ever watch Shark Tank, you’ll see they are masters of the craft.

whereisk ,

The problem is that most of us have swallowed the ‘competence uber alles’ ideal that school fed us through exams and scoring, when the game really is mostly politics (as in interpersonal relationships). So we are understandably disappointed when the incompetent get promoted through brown nosing or luck, when we should be reevaluating the rules of the game.

themeatbridge ,

That’s a lie that assholes tell you in order to exploit your competence and effort.

SlopppyEngineer ,

They are just the biggest asshole in the room

That’s always fun in sales. The vendor that brazenly promises two-and-a-half mirage for half the price will win the bid, and the sales people will move on to a different employer when the real budget for the project becomes clear.

jadero ,

They are just the biggest asshole in the room.

So one day the different body parts were arguing over who should be in charge.

The eyes said they should be in charge, because they were the primary source of information about the world.

The stomach said it should be in charge because digestion was the source of energy.

The brain said it should be in charge because it was in charge of information processing and decision-making.

The rectum said nothing, just closed up shop.

Before long, the vision was blurry, the stomach was queasy, and the brain was foggy.

Assholes have been in charge ever since.

Skullgrid , (edited )
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

You know what they do to old engineers don’t you?

EDIT : youtu.be/fN-VAdAnoZ4?t=31

" you know what they do with engineers when they turn 40? they take them out and shoot them"

db2 ,

Does it involve quicklime?

vvv ,

I’ll take it over QuickTime

Skullgrid , (edited )
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

I think I botched the Office space quote, I thought tom said something at some point about

“you know what they do to old engineers don’t you? They take them out back and gun noise

EDIT : youtu.be/fN-VAdAnoZ4?t=31

" you know what they do with engineers when they turn 40? they take them out and shoot them"

db2 ,

You’re good, I was making an unrelated BOFH reference, even more obscure. 🤣

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

I fixed it, it’s from Primer.

EDIT : youtu.be/fN-VAdAnoZ4?t=31

" you know what they do with engineers when they turn 40? they take them out and shoot them"

marcos ,

That movie was… … …something!

Hundun , in He revealed the secrets !

As a programmer, I concur. I sit on my arse all day pushing keys , anybody can do that.

ursakhiin ,

The biggest thing he got wrong is the assumption that it’s good programmers writing libraries.

synae ,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

You gotta push them in the right order

grrgyle ,

Just install a library to do that

s12 , in He revealed the secrets !

The IT people! The DEV team’s worst nemesis! They must be stopped before we are destroyed!

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Reboots your server

Changes your credentials

blackluster117 ,
@blackluster117@possumpat.io avatar

Eats your pasta

marcos , in He revealed the secrets !

The only problem you can’t solve with Access is too much Access.

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