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yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Hey dude stop it spreading it okay?

NaoPb ,

Turns out the people in IT don’t actually make the computers either. Who’d have thought?

ipkpjersi ,

The scary thing is some people actually believe this, and NIH syndrome is unfortunately all too real lol

vk6flab ,
@vk6flab@lemmy.radio avatar

As an aside, I recall the early days when @SwiftOnSecurity was purposely ambiguous about the distinction between the artist Taylor Swift and their technology tweets. It was delicious to see confused responses.

At some point it changed. Not sure what triggered that. I have a vague memory of a stroke, but I might be misremembering.

Trikami ,

wait, you guys don’t use ones and zeroes?

vk6flab ,
@vk6flab@lemmy.radio avatar

No, that’s several abstraction layers down … there’s libraries for that.

Sonotsugipaa ,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No, just base-256 numbers that for some reason people call “binary”

KillingTimeItself , (edited )

im convinced most developers spend more time working on making shit work, rather than actually writing code and bugfixing it.

edit: this was mostly a shitpost, and i was expecting some flack, but i got basically none. Can we have a real moment here. Are you guys doing ok? Who made you do this to yourselves?

ok, real talk over, we’re going back to suffering now.

jubilationtcornpone ,

Half the time it’s trying to figure out where to apply the next piece of duct tape to keep the entire house of cards (and duct tape) from collapsing.

KillingTimeItself ,

damn.

Buttons ,
@Buttons@programming.dev avatar

In times past they got shit done, and now we see that what they’ve done is shit and we’re stuck maintaining it.

szczuroarturo ,

Yup. Thats just enterprise software for you. Something was made requiremnts changed, and then changed again and then ypu have duct tape on top of a duct tape with a duct tape holding those duct tapes and a touch of super glu here and there. Also ducttapes are microscopic in size but the sheer quantity of them is unimaginable.

KillingTimeItself ,

this part is pretty much expected i think. But i’m starting to see it cropping up into the more meta aspects of programming now. For instance, apps being shipped with existing deprecated packages. Seems like it’s also creeping a little further into the more UI aspects of it as well.

Crack0n7uesday ,

If your seriously into Access you might be a SQL dev…

jubilationtcornpone ,

I prefer my databases in Excel. /s

RIP_Cheems ,
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Ok bud, yeah right, Delete that. Delete that RIGHT NOW.

KindaABigDyl ,
@KindaABigDyl@programming.dev avatar

I agree with the last point tbh

At the bare minimum, if you aren’t capable of contributing to the library you use, then you don’t deserve to use it.

xmunk ,

I disagree, if you aren’t capable of contributing to a library you should be required to use it rather than roll your own solution.

KindaABigDyl ,
@KindaABigDyl@programming.dev avatar

Nah you should learn

force ,

Because software devs have the weeks/months to learn vulkan every time they want to use a GUI for their job, or to learn compiler design whenever they wanna use java for their job

KindaABigDyl ,
@KindaABigDyl@programming.dev avatar

to learn vulkan every time they want to use a GUI for their job

Not every time, just the first time. But yes. Devs should stop being so lazy

compiler design whenever they wanna use java for their job

Every dev should at least know the basics of language design and compiler design, yes. Again, you also only have to learn it once

indepndnt ,

Honestly, why? We’ve got billions of people driving around in cars they don’t know how to build. Is that a problem too?

KindaABigDyl ,
@KindaABigDyl@programming.dev avatar

Yeah. Kinda actually

xmunk ,

As someone who has written a DB handle… that shit is hard, I had to be extremely careful to protect against SQL injection. Everyone rolling their own is how we return to the Era of XSS and SQL Injection on every website. I’d prefer to have young devs use libraries and contribute as they gain knowledge.

KindaABigDyl ,
@KindaABigDyl@programming.dev avatar

that shit is hard, I had to be extremely careful to protect against SQL injection

People need to learn to be careful

xmunk ,

They do… but the road to naturally learning that lesson comes with the cost of enabling botnets and destroying businesses. Maybe there should be a qualification exam to be a developer but when there isn’t we need to make sure more junior developers have the best tools they can get to fight against foot guns.

Also, on the topic of security, a lot of good senior level developers don’t have the specialized knowledge to do shit like build a password validation system that isn’t vulnerable to a timing attack or know what a timing attack is…

And timezones, fuck timezones, I’ve written code that correctly handled timezones (and subsequently threw it away when Canada decided to DST on a different weekend). Imagine how shitty it’d be if we constantly had to reinvent the wheel when it came to timezones.

Oh, and forget about databases… do you know how fucking hard it is to write an ACID compliant WAL? The reason postgres is the default open source database (and why so many databases are just layers built on top of postgres’s engine) is because it’s fucking hard. Mongo still (IIRC) has consistency issues, they were a tech darling for half a decade and can’t manage to NoSQL as well as Postgres.

Also, good luck building a GUI with anything more complicated than curses style box art characters.

I started mildly disagreeing with you but I disagree even more that I’ve thought about other tools people would need to roll on their own.

KindaABigDyl ,
@KindaABigDyl@programming.dev avatar

a lot of good senior level developers don’t have the specialized knowledge to do shit like build a password validation system that isn’t vulnerable to a timing attack or know what a timing attack is

Please don’t tell me that. It’s terrifying

Valmond ,

The best developers are the laziest.

I’d take a dev slowly using a library with a one liner than a noob writing 500 lines of code doing the same thing any day.

KindaABigDyl ,
@KindaABigDyl@programming.dev avatar

That’s how you end up with the unmaintainable state that enterprise software is currently in. “Just Works” mentality is a cancer

CausticFlames ,

Where’d you buy this brand of bait?

Valmond ,

If you just knew how many libraries we use…

fruitycoder ,

This the dangerous kind of parody, I would rather help people with excel programs than another access program and that’s a pain in the ass.

xmunk ,

I draw the line at CSV ingestion.

marcos ,

The only problem you can’t solve with Access is too much Access.

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Is Microsoft Access what they call Microsoft Excel nowadays?

somethingp ,

No Microsoft Access is/was a GUI software actually meant to have databases instead of how everyone uses Excel/spreadsheets as databases. It is a part of the office suite. It works pretty much like traditional databases but has an easier to access GUI for non programmers I guess. I don’t think it’s used a ton nowadays except for legacy processes that haven’t been updated.

MinekPo1 , (edited )
@MinekPo1@lemmy.ml avatar

No its microsofts database GUI program that’s part of Microsoft Office . imagine software made for users who have a vague understanding of SQL and visual basic but then an exec. forced the designers and devs to make it accessible to everyone while giving them barely any teamembers causing a fuckton of technical debt and unintuitive quirks , making anyone who opens the software feel like they have just been placed in a highly equipped tank , in front of a wall of unlabeled levers and told to drive the tank , or at least that’s how I view it.

(reposting from another account sorry if you see both comments)

fruitycoder ,

No its another program, I’ve seen people make weird stuff with it like ticketing systems and notes apps. I’ve never seen it be a robust program though

ILikeBoobies ,

It’s the actual database app by Microsoft

I assume it hasn’t existed for a number of years

brbposting ,

Latest releases in the past quarter or two:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/a816e10a-6fe5-4a9e-9e48-de2f8f7ff20d.jpeg

Wiki

ILikeBoobies ,

But why

urist ,
@urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

We use it at work for it’s actual intended purpose: as a small database that isn’t customer facing. It’s used and maintained by nontechnical staff to keep data about equipment (slot machines).

It would be too much info for excel, but it’s not enough to really need anything more.

Zuberi ,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

👀

MsPenguinette ,

We’ve been spending decades curating our perception by management in order to make sure we all have jobs. He’s gonna ruin the whole industry if we don’t shut him the hell up

porgamrer ,

Wait until this guy finds out that Elon doesn’t actually build the cars

pancakes ,
@pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

Or contribute to society at all really

fsxylo ,

Seriously. If Elon shut down Tesla tomorrow all these engineers would be building electric cars at other companies.

brbposting ,

Does (or does not) he get the credit for committing the fraud that kept Tesla in business long enough to popularize* electric cars that there are other companies at which to build them?

Aforementioned fraud:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/8de67f72-d86d-4ce8-8045-37b0b60d6a6f.png

(When searching, found apparently jurors in 2023 disagreed with my assessment, so please take with grain of salt.)

*I say “popularize” given:

Tesla was incorporated in July 2003 by [not Elon! but] Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning as Tesla Motors.

LordKitsuna ,

He’s a piece of shit but he restarted the Space Race that was literally dying, push the industry into electric cars when none of them were willing to do it. His actual products may be garbage but it doesn’t stop that it started the movements that needed to happen in the industry.

To say that he contributed nothing at all is unfortunately false as much as I may hate the man

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