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Crackhappy ,
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I don’t think the hulk would have reacted at all, since he’d be gone. But does that mean Banner would stay somehow?

3laws ,

Hulk is not dumb, he just was born 30 years later than Banner.

We know that given the time Hulk also proves to Bea genius of his own.

figaro ,

Isn’t the hulk a scientist?

Draedron ,

Banner is

Feathercrown ,

They’re the same person now tho

zepheriths ,

That leaves an interesting situation for Bruce banner/the hulk

Poob ,

Thanos was a fucking stupid character in the MCU. The human population is currently doubling every 61 years with a growth rate of about 1.14%. Assuming similar numbers across the galaxy, he didn’t do anything except cause suffering. He’s a very poorly written villain.

I guess to stay on topic, they would have looked at population growth, and determined that his plan was moronic, and fought him.

MystikIncarnate ,

I agree that Thanos is dumb, but he’s well written. He’s supposed to be stupidly short sighted; that’s his whole deal. He experienced a problem with his own society, and invented an idiotic solution that was readily rejected (rightly) by his own people. He saw the downfall after that and said to himself that the cause was that they didn’t listen to him.

When he grew powerful enough to do it, wanting nobody else to suffer the loss of their entire society like he did, forces the universe to participate in his little exercise with little to no regard for the losses people suffer, nor the long term consequences of his plan.

He has no ability to think beyond the small scope of time that encompasses his plan.

Sure, resources will be far less scarce for people in the short term, but, as you’ve correctly pointed out, in the long term, he’s simply delaying the inevitable, which is why his statement near the end of endgame is so poignant: “I am inevitable”. Then he snaps, and nothing happens because Tony stole the infinity stones, proving he’s not inevitable and underneath it all, he’s not thinking of the inevitable outcome of his plan (which is only delaying things at best, and is an actual war crime).

He’s convinced himself so throughly that his way is the only way that he refuses to even entertain the idea that there may be other solutions, which bluntly, other solutions may have an actual effect in the long run (more than 100 years out).

He’s meant to be fanatical about it being the only option and unable to be convinced otherwise. He’s written perfectly for that role.

Other means of population control should be considered, but he’ll have none of it. I see it as analogous to so many humans in real life that deny long term damages to the planet and to future generations because of short sighted “freedoms” or benefits that they may reap in their lifetime. A whole “fuck the distant future for immediate gains” kind of mentality; something that, quite bluntly, is the prevailing mindset of most capitalist businesses. It’s all about maximizing the present and damn the consequences.

Thanos is a literary tool to describe problems we have right here and right now, on a fundamental level. People do convinced that their way is the only way that they will do immense harm to their fellow humans (and/or other living beings) just to do what they think is in the best interest of themselves and others, without considering evidence or any discourse that may prove that their way may not work out long term.

justastranger ,

That’s because they tried to make him some sort of noble villain in the movies when he was just horny for Death in the comics and wanted to impress her

CeruleanRuin ,

Ant-Man: Well come on, wait, you know, there are different kinds of intelligence, right? Please someone tell me I’m not making that up.

Showroom7561 ,

Thanos could have literally chosen 1000 other options that were better than killing 50% of all living things, and I’m sure nobody would have disagreed!

justastranger ,

He could have literally just wished for the best, most ethical solution to happen without even coming up with one and had the stones figure it out for him (i mean, one of the infinitely powerful magical space crystals is the mind stone after all, could totally just say it’s capable of thought)

randon31415 ,

You killed all of our kids!

Drusenija ,

What would make this question more interesting is can you think of any metric where they would flip, or at least consider it. For example, all the members of Hydra (a bad example, would never make 50%, but you get the idea).

TheYear2525 ,

Would they all still exist?

pwnicholson , (edited )
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I can’t think of an Avenger or even sidekick who I would put in the bottom 50% of the earth’s population. Even the dumbest are probably in the top 10-15%.

Edit: I didn’t really think of GotG as “Avengers”, but yeah, Drax and Mantis are probably gone, unless they’re somehow smart for their species. Or unless emotional intelligence is enough to save Mantis. I don’t know if we ever find out enough about Groot to know, but I’d assume he’s in the top of his species. I still think everyone else survives (Hulk survives via Banner, or at least Banner survives).

superduperenigma ,

Draxx believed he was invisible if he stood still, he even thought he was invisible while eating a bag of chips. I’m not sure he’s gonna make it.

Beetschnapps ,

Let the man try!

DudeBro ,

naw I’d say Drax, Starlord maybe, and Hulk if he was in Hulk mode are all written to be comically stupid

but yeah that’s probably it, most would survive

MajorHavoc ,

There’s a lot of generosity toward Thor in this thread. And I think that’s great.

Even though he’s going to rule Asgard someday, while his brother is clearly more qualified. /s

Kolanaki ,
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@pwnicholson

Banner is still around, but Hulk is gone.

Maybe Thor, too.

Quinn definitely is gone. So is Drax and many characters from GOTG.

There are plenty of dumb avengers, though a lot of them have not been featured in the movies yet.

MotoAsh ,

Drax isn’t stupid, he’s just hyper-literal. If it comes off as stupidity, it might be poor writing or some assumptions made.

DarkDarkHouse ,
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He’s not just hyper-literal, he is slow to adapt, rarely displays any strategy beyond direct attack (which gets them into trouble repeatedly) and, you know, thinks he can’t be seen because he’s very still. Drax is loyal and courageous, but intelligence is not among his gifts.

morphballganon ,

Quinn?

Quill?

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Starlord. I always mess his real name up 😖

MajorHavoc ,

Yeah. The interesting money seems to be on Thor. Could break either way. Place your bets everyone.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

It wouldn't shock me if Hawkeye disappeared. But then again who'd notice?

WarmSoda ,

He would definitely be gone.

morphballganon ,

Clint isn’t a stupid guy. In the show, he’s hard of hearing, which some people might mistake for being dumb if they saw him on the street, for example. But remember how scary he was in The Avengers. Guy could shoot an arrow into the wind and knew it would blow up an engine. You know there’s some crazy subconscious math going on there. Also, his counter-terrorism rampage in Endgame wouldn’t have been nearly as successful if he wasn’t a great planner and tactician.

magnetosphere ,
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Also, his counter-terrorism rampage in Endgame wouldn’t have been nearly as successful if he wasn’t a great planner and tactician.

I hadn’t considered this. You’re right. This is a man with no powers whatsoever. Meticulous preparation was essential. A mindless killing spree would have been suicidal.

This makes that scene much more unsettling.

underisk ,
@underisk@lemmy.ml avatar

If anything, I’d say eco terrorism is a far more defensible motivation than eugenics.

twelvefloatinghands ,
@twelvefloatinghands@lemmy.world avatar

Keep in mind that people are part of the eco being terrorismed

Eggyhead ,
@Eggyhead@artemis.camp avatar

They all would have been wiped out.

cerement ,
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would’ve still fought him because their job isn’t to stop evil, it’s to maintain the status quo

Cryophilia ,

See this is why I hate when people are like “just watch this 20 minute long video!” The video just restates what you said in one sentence that took me 5 seconds to read. It states it over and over again, slowly, interspersed with reading long quotes, slowly, for 20+ minutes.

morphballganon ,

Avengers would have been much better prepared. T’challa, Hank, Janet, Dr Strange could have all helped plan the response. Bucky, Sam, Hope, Peter Parker could have all helped execute the plan.

Also Scott since he wouldn’t have been trapped in the QR.

Drax and Quill are still goners. The rest probably aren’t snapped.

Vision, Gamora, Loki, Heimdall unchanged since they died before the snap.

fiat_lux ,

Can we please not hypothesise about eugenics and people's reactions to eugenics, with the current global climate?

Cryophilia ,

Pls touch grass

morphballganon ,

Entertaining how to react to fictional atrocities is useful in shaping our real-world responses to actual atrocities.

fiat_lux ,

Entertaining for the people who are certain that they're not a member of an arbitrarily defined group. Whether their certainty is well-placed is a different problem, I guess.

morphballganon ,

I’m using the word entertaining as a verb. It’s a synonym of considering.

fiat_lux ,

My mistake, I misread.

I agree that discussion is important in deciding responses, but discussions like these are also used as testing grounds for gauging acceptability. It's how places like 'active clubs' recruit and promote far-right extremism, they start with gauging the response to lower-level discrimination and slowly escalate to larger acts.

morphballganon ,

I don’t want to live in a world where we can’t engage in thought experiments.

fiat_lux ,

And I'm sick of living in a world where thought experiments are used to casually label people as dumb, disposable, but they're ok because they mention superheroes and that makes the whole thing outlandish. Until the atrocities occur, again and then it's "why didn't someone do something sooner?".

morphballganon ,

OP didn’t perform a snap. No one irl did.

You have to be able to discuss hypotheticals if you want to know what kind of person you are.

The fact that this hypothetical makes you uncomfortable is ok, it just means you have compassion and that’s valid.

That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t participate. I’m sure Steve Rogers felt the same way. He participated.

twelvefloatinghands ,
@twelvefloatinghands@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly the same

Poob ,

Thanos was a fucking stupid character in the MCU. The human population is currently doubling every 61 years with a growth rate of about 1.14%. Assuming similar numbers across the galaxy, he didn’t do anything except cause suffering. He’s a very poorly written villain.

I guess to stay on topic, they would have looked at population growth, and determined that his plan was moronic, and fought him.

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