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Duamerthrax ,

Corporations, especially publicly traded ones, can’t think past their quarterly reports. The ones that are private are competing with the public ones and think following trends by companies that are “too big to fail” will work out for them.

Sgt_choke_n_stroke ,

You’re describing the end goal of monopoly

Wooki ,

You’re implying AI has the intelligence to remotely achieve this. It doesn’t. It is all venture capitalist porn for over glorified keyword copy paste. Thats it.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

You’re implying AI will never progress beyond its current potential.

I doubt it’ll be taking our jobs anytime soon, but to assume that it will never improve would be naive.

Wooki ,

It has barely improved since the 70’s/80s. Hardware got faster.

Its a fallacy to assume “line go up”.

Drewelite ,

That’s the cool part, you won’t. If everything crucial is automated, people can drive things forward for passion rather than for money. Of course, this would effectively collapse capitalism, which won’t happen painlessly.

Danquebec , (edited )

This is a common question in economics.

It’s called technological unemploymemt and it’s a type of structural unemployment.

Economists generally believe that this is temporary. Workers will take new jobs that are now available or learn new skills to do so.

An example is how most of the population were farmers, before the agricultural revolution ans the industrial revolution. Efficiency improvements to agriculture happened, and now there’s like only about 1% of the population in agriculture. Yet, most people are not unemployed.

There was also a time in England when a large part of the population were coal miners. Same story.

Each economic and technological improvement expands the economy, which creates new jobs.

There’s been an argument by some, Ray Kurzweil if I remember correctly, but others as well, that we will eventually reach a point where humans are obsolete. There was a time when we used horses as the main mode of land transportation. Now, this is very marginal, and we use horses for a few other things, but really there’s not that much use for them. Not as much as before. The same might happen to humans. Machines might become better than humans, for everything.

Another problem that might be happening is that the rate of technological change might be too fast for society to adapt, leaving us with an ever larger structural unemployment.

One of the solution that has been suggested is providing a basic income to everyone, so that losing your job isn’t as much of a big problem, and would leave you time to find another job or learn a new skill to do so.

barsquid ,

A major problem is all the money from these increases in efficiency go to a handful of people, who then hoard it. A market economy cannot work with hoarding, the money needs to circulate.

TheRealKuni ,

A market economy cannot work with hoarding, the money needs to circulate.

The money is life. The money must flow.

EABOD25 ,

I’m an optimist, so I’ll believe one day we’ll have a utopian society like in Star Trek. I ask politely you don’t criticize me too harshly

bobs_monkey ,

While I agree, I’m skeptical that we’ll see any meaningful advance toward that end in our lifetimes.

sunzu ,

It will get a lot worse before it gets any better

The hand has been played and trend has been set, I don't see anything coming close to a reversal, short of gereatric nepo babies dying off but their replacements don't look any better..

Sucks to suck

EABOD25 ,

Very bleak of you

sunzu ,

Well the facts don't look good, what is a peasant supposed to do?

EABOD25 ,

Hope your descendants have it better

sunzu ,

Hoping for something like that without taking direction action today is naive.

Direct action won't fix shit unless critical mass does it, so also got to spread the word about the fuckening we are enduring, most people are really not aware of the conditions on the ground beyond their personal experiences.

EABOD25 ,

And what direct action would you propose?

sunzu ,
  1. Vote with your money, esp with mega corps
  2. Don't suck some political or business daddies' dick for free, these people are your enemies, treat them as such
  3. Ask for raises every year, switch jobs as needed to keep market rate pay
  4. Consume less
  5. Don't engage in political circle jerks
  6. Don't dunk on the poors
  7. Freedom is privacy and security, physical and digital
  8. Educate people around you about these things.
EABOD25 ,
  1. is ironic because that’s exactly how mega corps vote
  2. Peasants (as you said) wouldn’t be able to get their break without
  3. that’s a needed. 100% agree
  4. what about people who are already consuming the bare minimum? What are they supposed to do?
  5. 100% agree
  6. 100% agree
  7. wrong. That’s a privilege. Privileges can be taken away. Freedom is the ability to retard and expect repercussions or advance humanity in a civilized manner. What you are referring to is anarchy, and anarchy doesn’t have to be bad. It puts the power in the individual with no government influence. However anarchy relies strictly on human nature and dependency
  8. 100%
sunzu ,

Peasants (as you said) wouldn't be able to get their break without

How are they getting a break now?

As for 7, we are talking direct action? i am not following this response.

what about people who are already consuming the bare minimum? What are they supposed to do?

there is always room to improve consumption patterns... low hanging fruit is high processed foods. this can be driven two zero without any serious consequences. that's more of my point here.

You can't stop eating tho, no doubt, but you can chose what you eat.

EABOD25 ,

Yeah, but we’re talking about the possibility of a utopian society. It’s completely theoretical at this point. You are talking about the logical here and now. What do you want for people in the future?

sunzu ,

Better quality of life

EABOD25 ,

And what I said isn’t the same?

sunzu ,

i think we disconnected somewhere. but yeah the idea of direct action is to leader by example until critical mass is hit which would finally yield better QoL

just got to make sure direct action is actually fighting the right enemy, currently working people are fighting each other mostly.

EABOD25 ,

Believe 100%

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Shoot yourself?

I gotta keep it real with you chief, I think about it quite a bit.

sunzu ,

I lack the constitution for that also that's what regime would want you to do anyway...

why give them the pleasure when you can impose costs on them for their misconduct.

zephr_c ,

Hey, that’s a reasonable thing to hope. The flip side, of course, is that I’m hoping I don’t have to live through Star Trek’s idea of how the 21st century goes. They definitely got all of the details wrong, but I’m afraid the vibes are matching a little too well.

Infynis ,
@Infynis@midwest.social avatar

Hey, we’ve still got 2 months to the Bell Riots, and DeSantis was talking about putting all the homeless people in Florida on an island

abbadon420 ,

I think it’s as relistic a future as the complete destruction of mankind, but your point of view makes life a lot more enjoyable. Here’s a nice quote to back it up:

“There is nothing like a dream to create the future” - Victor Hugo

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

I am also an optimist. I believe one day we’ll all be dead, and all that will remain are robots that fuel off blood, left to invade hell for the only thing that will sustain them.

Zahtu ,

Ever heard of the everlasting sustainable war? ghostintheshell.fandom.com/wiki/Sustainable_War

If robots generate all of productivity and human labor is no longer needed, the economy would not be able to sustain itself. Instead, in trying to cope with the unneeded human labor and to ensure continued productivity, the only area where productivity would be ensured is by means of war using human resources, namely destroying things in order to be rebuild, thus generating a sustaining feedback loop. The rich will get richer and everyone else will only be employed as soldiers in a continuing war economy.

Even though this is a sci-fi concept, i believe it’s not a stretch to say we are headed to this direction.

Etterra ,

Well I mean Orwell hit on the same concept with 1985, with the major powers just rotating who was blowing up who at any given time in order to keep the proles in line.

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

You accidentally added a year. The book is 1984.

BallsandBayonets ,

We’re already there, in a sort of way. Products aren’t built to last, aren’t built to be repaired. Buy a new phone, computer, washing machine, every year! You wouldn’t want the social embarrassment of not having the latest gadgets! And if that fails, we’ll just release a patch that prevents the irreplaceable battery from lasting a full day.

Plus after computers made it so one person could do the job of 100, entire new industries popped up to do meaningless jobs shuffling digital money around. Some of the most comfortably-paying upper-working-class jobs are entirely pointless. But it keeps educated people from questioning the system. As long as they get a cushy paycheck twice a month they’ll happily make another B2B web 3.0 cloud-based KPI tracking analytics platform and not question if their job is meaningful.

AA5B ,

This isn’t any different from any other automation , so far. Every time there is a new level of automation, someone asks this question. Yes there can be disruption, even a generation or two lost at the level of “Industrial Revolution”, but so far it’s always come back with more jobs, more opportunity.

So what’s different this time? Do you thinks it’s good enough to replace thinking? That was my fear when it looked like self-driving was coming fast, but that fizzled out, and I have Vern blower expectations for this round of generative ai. Sure, it might be transformative to some roles and destructive to the remains of journalism but I don’t see it taking many actual jobs

We’re arguably already in this situation with outsourcing, smart automation, service industries, where there seem to be fewer “middle” jobs. While some of us can be the higher skilled new jobs, way too many new jobs are just not

slazer2au ,

That seems like a Q3 issue for 2026 let’s put the conversation off till then.

/s

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

The thing is, for AI to work we still need hardware, houses, food etc. Yes a lot of jobs will change but other new type of jobs will come.

Remember at the end of the day AI can’t do CPR

Shardikprime ,

Yet

kautau ,
medgremlin ,

Here’s the problem with that: it relies on things like the LUCAS CPR assist machine which doesn’t fit on a lot of people. I’ve done CPR on a lot of people, and only a handful of them would have even fit in a LUCAS in the first place.

https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/0c3cf56d-ecf1-4ebc-b508-5d7b6a28837b.png

kautau ,

Tha makes sense. My point was only to refute the “AI can’t do CPR” comment. Every technological breakthrough in history was imagined as impossible by some, so to claim that because something is hard to do means it probably won’t be done has been shown to not be the case

_core ,

That problem exists only as long as no one makes a better CPR machine.

medgremlin ,

And as long as CPR machines are obscenely expensive and difficult to obtain and maintain for a lot of smaller hospitals and EMS systems.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Q3 2026 will come around and the AI will report that revenues are down. The CEO will respond the only way they know, by ordering that costs be cut by laying off employees. The AI will report there is no one left to lay off but the CEO.

Fade to black and credits roll.

wuphysics87 ,

People will find other things to do that AI can’t. Like welding, or tapdancing, or sex work.

MehBlah ,

AI will never be able to pick their nose like I do.

_core ,

You know we have robots that weld right now? And people are building basic sex robots? The idea that AI can’t replace a human is narcissistic hubris.

wuphysics87 ,

To be a little pedantic, should you permit me, the question said AI not robots. ‘Robots’ have beem welding cars for decades, but that hasn’t replaced people. When you learn to weld, because it is AI proof 🙂, you’ll find that there are some things you need to do by hand.

Sex work isn’t synonymous with sex, and sex isn’t the same as fucking something/someone. Just wait until you and another person use one another, or you have make uo sex, and you’ll know what I mean.

I trust you’ll grant me tap dancing? Either way, don’t worry young (d|gl)oomer, everything is going to be fine. You should probably worry more about what’s going on in the politics threads 🤣

sunzu ,

You are more likely to be fired due to offshoring

zephr_c ,

That hasn’t really been an issue for more than a decade at this point. Domestic manufacturing production in developed nations has actually been increasing. They just don’t use humans much. You’re not losing your job to poor people overseas. You’re losing it to robots, and you have been since before the current AI craze.

sunzu ,

That hasn't really been an issue for more than a decade at this point.

Ohh wow really? i guess they can really only off shore manufacturing 🤡

zephr_c ,

What, do want a shitty graveyard shift call center job? Trust me, you aren’t losing out by not having access to that.

Unemployment isn’t even high right now. Why are you whining about a non-issue to begin with? What good would it do you to have more low paying jobs when the problem is that all the jobs are already low paying as it is? We just saw that if there are more jobs then people they’ll happily crash the economy until there aren’t just to make sure wages don’t go up. What do you hope to accomplish by spreading 30 year old conservative propaganda?

sunzu ,

You don't know what you are talking about if you think that call center jobs are being offshored.

Also, unemployment is low due to demographic shift.

masterspace ,

I mean, companies off shore software development all the time.

whoreticulture ,

No worries! We can always join the US military! 😀

ShepherdPie ,

War will be fought with AI too. It’ll be like that episode of Star Trek where each society’s AI battles the other and whatever death toll the computers calculate, that many citizens must report for euthanasia.

whoreticulture ,

I have not seen that episode ☹️

ShepherdPie ,
Churbleyimyam ,

Someone always has the money. That’s who will be buying things.

HawlSera ,

This question was asked, and the answer was “Kill the poor, make line go up.”

xavier666 ,

I remember in Interstellar, the Blight caused huge starvation among the poor causing them to riot. The government asked NASA to drop an orbital bomb on them but NASA refused, which caused the government to remove funding for NASA and close it publicly. It was just fiction then but it’s looking a bit grim now.

orcrist ,

I like how you mixed a few notions together in a way specifically designed to induce chaos.

Even assuming that AI can take away jobs, which is itself I think inaccurate, and provably so, that has nothing to do with people lacking money. In an ideal world, we could use technology to improve productivity so that we would need to work less.

So then what you are actually asking is a different question. What you’re actually asking is, what happens if we create an economic system that takes away most money from most of the people, to much larger degree than is currently happening. And for that, all you need to do is go look at the history books.

Finally, your question as posed is partly self-contradictory. You’re talking about AI being competent enough so that it can fire everyone, but improvements in technology are not always monetized. They can also lead to extreme cost savings. If for example, if I don’t have the money to hire an accountant, but I don’t need to because the software package is good enough to handle all of it for me, then there’s no problem to be solved. And this is true for any number of so-called white collar jobs.

So then what we actually see is that jobs change and evolve over time. The word computer used to talk about a person who did arithmetic and other such operations. Now it’s used to refer to the machine itself.

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