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Churbleyimyam ,

Someone always has the money. That’s who will be buying things.

Wooki ,

You’re implying AI has the intelligence to remotely achieve this. It doesn’t. It is all venture capitalist porn for over glorified keyword copy paste. Thats it.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

You’re implying AI will never progress beyond its current potential.

I doubt it’ll be taking our jobs anytime soon, but to assume that it will never improve would be naive.

Wooki ,

It has barely improved since the 70’s/80s. Hardware got faster.

Its a fallacy to assume “line go up”.

orcrist ,

I like how you mixed a few notions together in a way specifically designed to induce chaos.

Even assuming that AI can take away jobs, which is itself I think inaccurate, and provably so, that has nothing to do with people lacking money. In an ideal world, we could use technology to improve productivity so that we would need to work less.

So then what you are actually asking is a different question. What you’re actually asking is, what happens if we create an economic system that takes away most money from most of the people, to much larger degree than is currently happening. And for that, all you need to do is go look at the history books.

Finally, your question as posed is partly self-contradictory. You’re talking about AI being competent enough so that it can fire everyone, but improvements in technology are not always monetized. They can also lead to extreme cost savings. If for example, if I don’t have the money to hire an accountant, but I don’t need to because the software package is good enough to handle all of it for me, then there’s no problem to be solved. And this is true for any number of so-called white collar jobs.

So then what we actually see is that jobs change and evolve over time. The word computer used to talk about a person who did arithmetic and other such operations. Now it’s used to refer to the machine itself.

buzz86us ,

Personally I welcome a post scarcity economy

Jikiya ,

I would if I didn’t fear that the scarcity will then be artificial to keep groups in power. The idea is beautiful, our current direction is terrifying.

barsquid ,

Bad news: it is going to be an artificial scarcity economy. It basically already is, we have plenty of money for everyone to live well but it is all going into hoards.

Ragnarok314159 ,

This is what the mega rich don’t seem to realize. They already have 99.9% of the wealth, but if they had 99.1% of it no one would give a shit how much money a few trust fund babies had.

We would all be able to take care of ourselves and our families. Instead they want all the wealth and are willing to kill most of the global population along with the earth to get it.

willya ,
@willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

The bots hooked to our stolen credit cards.

untorquer ,

Were already seeing a drop in product quality and reliability. Just try a search engine for practically anything. Chances are you already type “wiki” or “reddit” or “Lemmy” or whatever along with your search terms. AI(LLM) is just advanced cargo cult development. It won’t translate to physical design even though that’s being pushed by management level and marketing. Products will stop being useful altogether.

That’s on top of the tailoring to business and wealthy class as others have argued here. But even that will have to endure enshitification. Ultimately the wealthy will pay for labor on their toys(they already do, we just can’t afford those).

This us a marketing and executive delusion issue.

Arn_Thor ,

That, my friend, is the problem for whichever schmuck is in charge after me, a C Suite executive. By then I will be long gone on my private island, having pulled the rip cord on my golden parachute.

FiniteBanjo ,

Well, in the purely fictional hypothetical that an LLM could advance to the point of reliably replacing humans without a stark loss of quality and marginal cost-benefit before legislations step in to make the cost of increased power consumption and environmental damage reflect on what these companies pay in:

Their will be an owners class who have stake or claim over facilities and technology to utilize the AI, and then there will be an everybody else who have to fight tooth and nail politically for basic human rights as well as shelter and food. Just the current system but whether it’s that much worse or better depends on how well our democracies function.

mechoman444 ,

An llm will never be able to do this. Unfortunately the word AI has been hijacked by companies and marketeers. Ai now means just about anything really.

They’re actually coming up with new words to describe what AI used to mean such as AGI, which stands for artificial general intelligence.

To elaborate on the premise of this post, The boost that we’re going to get from an actual artificial intelligence one that is perhaps sentient will be so much that the tasks that were once performed Will become so mundane and menial that it will not make any difference who performs those tasks or if they’re even being paid to do so.

In the same sense that the printing press removed the necessity for scribes, at least for the majority. Or the firearm displaced the bow and arrow as the dominant weapon.

Eventually, what general artificial intelligence will give us is a world free of our Faith-Based monetary system currently dominating the world.

In essence, we shouldn’t need money after general artificial intelligence is implemented.

sparkle , (edited )

The term AGI has been used since more than 2 decades ago, and AI never specifically implied something with human intelligence (maybe in the 40s-50s when it was just being invented, but not after that). “AI” has always refered to things like Siri and the YouTube algorithm and pathfinding AIs and trackers for anti-air systems and whatever else.

I remember that before I started programming I’d get annoyed at machinery like 3d printers for the “stupid AI” not working. Then I’d probably bang it or something to try to get it to work lol

mechoman444 ,

The meaning of the term “Artificial General Intelligence” (AGI) has indeed evolved in recent years. Initially, AGI was conceptualized as a form of intelligence that could understand, learn, and apply knowledge across a wide range of tasks, much like a human. This notion dates back to the mid-20th century, rooted in foundational neural network algorithms and deliberative reasoning hypotheses from the 1950s and 1960s

justthink.ai/…/history-and-evolution-of-agi-traci…

luceit.com/…/evolution-of-artificial-intelligence…

In recent times, the definition and understanding of AGI have been influenced by advancements in specialized AI technologies. Modern discussions often revolve around the practicalities and challenges of achieving AGI, with a focus on the limitations of current AI systems, which excel in narrow tasks but struggle with generalizing across different domains. For example, while models like GPT-3 have shown some cross-contextual learning abilities, they still lack the comprehensive reasoning, emotional intelligence, and transparency required for true AGI

…wikipedia.org/…/Artificial_general_intelligence

justthink.ai/…/history-and-evolution-of-agi-traci…

AI always meant human level intelligence.

What you fail to understand is with recent understanding of such concepts AI will far, far surpass human level everything.

(The above statement was generated by GPT4 sources have been provided. This response was prompted by the poster of this response.)

FiniteBanjo ,

Well it’s hard to make societal predictions with zero basis in reality so you’ll have to forgive me for grounding the premise to current phenomena.

independantiste ,
@independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

The real answer is no one. They will quickly realize that at the root of the economy are the regular people, and since the economy is a cycle, when you cut off a part, the cycle doesn’t work anymore.

People (doomers) here are saying businesses and rich people will, but this can only, work for a limited time, because either the products will shoot up in price since only the rich can afford them, or the businesses won’t be able to sell their products, so they can’t buy new things, which means no more revenue to the shareholders.

Think of all the companies that live from b2b models, when you look closer, they are all at some the suppliers of b2c businesses, except, maybe military companies. That company that makes the lithography machines (asml) only sells to other businesses such as tsmc. Tsmc also only sells to other businesses, but they sell to businesses that sell to consumers.

erev ,
@erev@lemmy.world avatar

i don’t think prices will shoot up, it’s just the wealthiest will have accumulated the absolute most amount of wealth they possibly could. Everything would crash but they would own everything. That’s of course if AI can fully replace us and produce everything that humanity needs practically forever but behind a paywall.

slurpeesoforion ,

It’ll be an elephant walk of ai and ai adjacent services.

roguetrick ,

That’s why private property is so cool. You can even enslave sentient AI to work for you because you inherited things. Capital rules all as long as it has more firepower. Though I bet the AI would be better at organizing a strike than we are.

Etterra ,

The rich people don’t care, they’ll have already retired to their private fortress islands and gotten eaten by their own security staff long before the survivors can track them down.

wuphysics87 ,

People will find other things to do that AI can’t. Like welding, or tapdancing, or sex work.

MehBlah ,

AI will never be able to pick their nose like I do.

_core ,

You know we have robots that weld right now? And people are building basic sex robots? The idea that AI can’t replace a human is narcissistic hubris.

wuphysics87 ,

To be a little pedantic, should you permit me, the question said AI not robots. ‘Robots’ have beem welding cars for decades, but that hasn’t replaced people. When you learn to weld, because it is AI proof 🙂, you’ll find that there are some things you need to do by hand.

Sex work isn’t synonymous with sex, and sex isn’t the same as fucking something/someone. Just wait until you and another person use one another, or you have make uo sex, and you’ll know what I mean.

I trust you’ll grant me tap dancing? Either way, don’t worry young (d|gl)oomer, everything is going to be fine. You should probably worry more about what’s going on in the politics threads 🤣

HawlSera ,

This question was asked, and the answer was “Kill the poor, make line go up.”

xavier666 ,

I remember in Interstellar, the Blight caused huge starvation among the poor causing them to riot. The government asked NASA to drop an orbital bomb on them but NASA refused, which caused the government to remove funding for NASA and close it publicly. It was just fiction then but it’s looking a bit grim now.

KingThrillgore , (edited )
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

They won’t, they’ll simply die and the market will slowly adjust to those with capital.

This is all happening because we shot a gorilla in 2016 btw.

Zron ,

Don’t forget your sacred duty boys, dicks out for Harambe.

It’s the only way to fix this fucked timeline

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