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objectionist ,
@objectionist@lemmy.world avatar

heheheh, projection projection projection.

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

What do you mean by this? Like the “lock her up” thing was projecting?

objectionist ,
@objectionist@lemmy.world avatar

his constant complaining about the election being stolen was what i meant about projection, but i guess that other thing works too lol

mkhopper ,
@mkhopper@lemmy.world avatar

So if he goes to federal prison, do the secret service members who are part of his detail draw straws to see who else gets to spend time being bars?

GlitzyArmrest ,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

He doesn’t need a detail if we put him in a concrete box!

ryathal ,

There a reasonable chance he gets house arrest or there’s some special facility built for him. Alternatively he could be kept in solitary for the entire time, but that’s starting to be considered torture.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe, however…

The sheriff of Fulton County, Ga., said on Tuesday that if former President Donald J. Trump were to be indicted in connection with efforts to overturn the 2020 election in the state, he would not receive special treatment, and would be booked and photographed like any other defendant.

www.nytimes.com/…/trump-indictment-georgia.html

So there’s hope he’d receive similar treatment from other officials.

SubArcticTundra ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s comforting to see that an ex president would still be equal before the law

schema ,

I mean, he did ask to be tough on criminals…

PutangInaMo ,

We’ll make it easy on him and put him in supermax. He’ll have no security concerns whatsoever, secret service can take the rest of his life off.

PoppinKREAM ,

Trump pushed the big lie that the election was stolen. Trump lost in the courts^[1] including the Supreme Court.^[2] Then he tried to pressure state officials.^[3] He tried to pressure Pence.^[4]

So what does Trump do after exhausting all nonviolent methods of overturning the election? He turns to his supporters and lights them up making inflammatory statements such as;

  • We are going to fight for the survival of the nation.
  • Now is not the time to retreat, its to fight harder.
  • We will never give in, never back down, never surrender.
  • We will fight like hell.
  • You have to get your people to fight.

He primed them for weeks.

State officials had started getting death threats weeks before the attempted insurrection following the general election.^[5] Trump saw first hand what violence was being created as his supporters rioted and vandalized black churches in Washington back in December.^[6]

Trump didn’t stop his incitement after the initial violence, he got more specific. He told his supporters how, when, and where. He gave them 18 days notice inviting them to the rally telling them to be there, that it will be wild.^[7] And on the day of the insurrection Trump told his supporters to march on the Capitol and fight like hell.

Following the riot Trump continued to promote the big lie that had incited the insurrection. After the mob was dispersed, Trump praised and sympathized with the mob in a video he released, claiming once again that the election had been stolen.^[8] Then he praised the insurrection in a tweet after the mob had been dispersed. He told his mob to remember Jan. 6 forever. He said that he loved the insurrectionists and that the violent mob were special people.

  1. New York Times - Over 30 Trump Campaign Lawsuits Have Failed. Some Rulings Are Scathing.
  2. BBC - US Supreme Court rejects Trump-backed bid to overturn election
  3. USA Today - Trump is heard on audiotape pressuring Georgia secretary of state to ‘find’ votes to overturn Biden’s win
  4. Politico - Trump pressures Pence to throw out election results — even though he can’t
  5. NPR - ‘Someone’s Going To Get Killed’: Georgia Republican Official Blasts GOP Silence On Election Threats
  6. Toronto Star - Black churches vandalized, four stabbed, dozens arrested at pro-Trump rallies in Washington
  7. New York Times - 'Be There. Will Be Wild!’: Trump All but Circled the Date: Inside Trump supporters’ online echo chambers, the chaos of Jan. 6 could be seen coming. People posted their plans to come to Washington — and showed the weapons they would carry.
  8. Wall Street Journal - Trump Tells Rioters, ‘I Know How You Feel,’ Draws Bipartisan Condemnation
Kinyutaka ,

My “favorite” but was when he heard that some of them had weapons that were denied access, and he angrily told his staff to let the weapons into the capital, because they weren’t coming to hurt him.

SeedyOne ,

This guy brought the receipts!

PunnyName ,

It’s PK, they only have receipts.

lemmyshmemmy ,

Please accept this Official Lemmy Gold® for the best post I’ve seen so far on Lemmy:

🪙

toothpaste_sandwich ,

Poppinkream is on Lemmy! Good to see you here.

howdy ,
@howdy@thesimplecorner.org avatar

Great to see you over here! So happy. Thanks for the great post.

Gerudo ,

Thank you for continuing your hard work pk

PunnyName ,

Damn, always good to see PK.

camr_on ,
@camr_on@lemmy.world avatar

sees citations in comments

Could it be? PoppinKREAM on lemmy?!

icepuncher69 ,

Pardon my unculturedness but who is PoppinKREAM?

jackie_jormp_jomp ,

He posted tons of these news roundups with citations on Reddit.

CuriousLibrarian ,

I think I heard that Poppinkream is a woman. I’m so happy to see them on Lemmy.

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

My understanding is that PoppinKREAM is a type of doughnut.

Fuck_u_spez_ ,

I thought it was what happens to popcorn when I get super horny…

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Should mention also Trump pressed the capitol police not tk use metal detectors on the crowd and his supporters cached weapons a nearby hotel.

This was part of their “1776 plan” to seize control of government buildings including the Supreme Court and State Depsrtment, not only the Capitol.

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, and his horrible remark about that:

'I don’t fucking care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me

alcamtar ,
@alcamtar@lemmy.world avatar

twitter.com/…/1686534765690961925

PoppinKREAM ,

False equivalency fallacy.

AutomaticYoghurt ,

PoppinKREAM!

psycho_driver ,

This is great. Actual consequences would be greater. Not crossing my fingers.

sunbeam60 ,

Aber es war nur eine kleine Putsch!

Adeptfuckup ,

When he is behind bars then I’ll celebrate. Until then. The battle for our democracy continues….

Kinyutaka ,

Even after he is behind bars. Crazy as it sounds, he can run for President from prison.

Not very effectively, but he can run.

someguy3 ,

How does that work if he wins?

FarceMultiplier ,
@FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca avatar

If he wins, he pardons himself from federal crimes then uses his powers as Commander in Chief to break himself out of prison for state crimes, thereby creating the ultimate constitutional crisis and tearing the country apart.

someguy3 , (edited )

Whether or not he can pardon himself is up for debate. So if the founding fathers intended that you can assume office from prison there would be a more defined method.

Neoncamouflage ,

Or we need to admit that the founding fathers may not have predicted literally every possible circumstance to arise in the future hundreds of years.

someguy3 ,

This isn’t a new modern invention. The election process is pretty well defined.

Skyrmir ,

It was intentional that you can run and be elected as president from prison. It’s written about contemporaneously. They knew the risk of allowing a president, or administration, jailing their political opponents.

What’s not clear is if it was meant for a president to be able to pardon themselves. I personally would think not, but many think it’s permissable.

someguy3 ,

So what happens to the prison sentence?

ChrisLicht ,

Fuck the founding fathers, coming straight from the underground.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

Hopfully the server running just crashes and reboots

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

One presidential candidate got 3.4% (more than all 3rd party candidates in 2020 combined) of the vote (over 1million votes) as a third party candidate while in prison in 1920.

Lenins2ndCat , (edited )
@Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

Eugene V Debs. The best president the US never had.

o7

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FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

One of the few upsides of my living in Terre Haute, Indiana is that I can say I live in the same town Debs was from. They have a nice museum here dedicated to him in his former home. If you’re passing through Indiana, I do recommend an hour or two to see it. Bernie Sanders made sure to stop there during his 2016 campaign, if you need an endorsement.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

Who is this

Lenins2ndCat ,
@Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

Eugene V Debs, a communist that ran for US president from his prison cell, securing 3.4% of the vote. Also the former state representative of Indiana.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

treefrog ,

FDR gets all the credit but without actual leftists like Debs (and all the workers who fought in solidarity with him) we’d still be sending our kids to work instead of school.

That’s who this is.

Bernie has his picture hanging on his office wall and he’s basically Bernie’s hero.

CaptainBananaFish ,

we’d still be sending our kids to work instead of school.

We are. They’re letting 14 year olds bar tend in Wisconsin and McDonalds in Arkansas has been busted for employing 12 year olds. Several states are actively bringing back child labor.

treefrog ,

We are again.

The mistake of confusing the middle with the left over the last hundred years.

CaptainBananaFish ,

Yep, we haven’t had a left in a long time.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

man I want that as a tattoo now

MiddleWeigh ,
@MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world avatar

I kinda cried reading these.

Butters ,
@Butters@lemmywinks.com avatar

Felons can’t vote, but they can run?

paddirn ,

The Government doesn’t want you to know about this one trick!

Chainweasel ,

It makes sense though. Think about it like this, A politician that wanted to stay in power could disqualify his opponents by wielding the DOJ as a personal tool and nailing them with felony charges. Trump could have placed a more loyal attorney general, nailed Biden on some bullshit petty offense that technically qualifies as a felony, and have his name removed from the ballot shortly before the election. Allowing felons to run for president defangs that particular power move. To disqualify someone the 14th amendment would have to be invoked, and should be in Trump’s case.

kent_eh ,

A politician that wanted to stay in power could disqualify his opponents by wielding the DOJ as a personal tool and nailing them with felony charges

It’s how Putin and other despots have been doing it for a very long time.

Coelacanth ,
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While I do see the validity of this argument, it still feels like treating the symptoms rather than the cause. If the fear is a sitting president welding his personal power to imprison (and thus disqualify) a political rival, isn’t the bigger problem that a sitting president has the power to do this in the first place?

BlinkAndItsGone , (edited )

The Justice Department has to be able to indict people, that’s part of its function. And the DoJ is part of the executive branch. A good President will not use the DoJ for his personal political purposes, but the incentive to do so, if it was there, would be extremely powerful. I think it’s probably a good idea to remove it. If the people can’t be trusted not to vote for a criminal or a traitor, we have bigger problems.

HawlSera ,

I’ve heard the logic is to prevent people from wanting to retroactively legalize shit to secure votes from felons, which doesn’t make a lot of sense tbh

PunnyName ,

Might depend on why he’s there.

rollerbang ,

Weird. I’ve heard of Americans losing their right to vote when imprisoned and yet they could run for office?

vaultdweller013 ,

Probably just an overlooked aspect, it woulf be too much of a pain to run for office while im prison. Even for a lot of the rich and powerful.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed.

This will amount to nothing, just like all the rest.

ChrisLicht ,

It’ll be ~5 years before all appeals are exhausted. I’d be shocked to see that he ever eats a final conviction, and any Republican president will pardon him, living or dead.

And, even if he is convicted and not pardoned, the functional challenges of managing Secret Service protection in a white-collar prison would be daunting, not to mention that his SS detail seems to have been easily corrupted to lie for him. The SS leadership, a locus of supreme bootlickers, would likely tell an inquiring judge that it’s too difficult to protect him in any penal institution for white-collar criminals, which will force the court to choose house arrest at most.

So, it’s probable that he’ll never serve a day in jail or prison.

DeanFogg ,

What’s the penalty for treason?

ChrisLicht ,

We’re not in a declared war.

Angry_Maple ,
@Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works avatar

No, maybe not a US declared war. That being said, North Korea seems pretty happy to shout death threats at you guys.

If I was living in the US, I don’t think that I would want those guys to have any top-secret information that could effect the country I lived in.

One could definitely argue that exposing certain types information could be considered an attack on the US, because it’s not like bad actors would follow the US constitution to the letter. I’m going to go out on a limb, and say that anyone who buys that type of secretive information probably isn’t very US-friendly.

Spreading certain types of information could also cause massive security breaches. Anyone who is a protected witness would be at a massive risk. Who’s to say that a bad actor wouldn’t try to mess with your currency sytem, or expose a secret military location? People generally don’t like that stuff happening either, and for good reason imo.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s ok, he was probably only selling info to the Saudis, not the North Koreans.

And it’s not like Saudi Arabia ever attacked the U.S., right? Right?

ChrisLicht ,

To clarify: treason requires a declared war against an external entity. Sedition is what Trump did.

Psionicsickness ,

We were on Jan 6th.

ChrisLicht ,

Right, but that is sedition, not treason.

Ajen ,

Lots of rich people convince judges they aren’t safe in prison without the help of the Secret Service. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump could get house arrest instead of prison even without being reelected.

gmtom ,

Also there is a VERY high chance he just straight up dies before he goes to prison, or even before the court date. Which might be the worst possible scenario, as the right wing crazies will go fucking ballistic with conspiracy theories blaming the deep state or the clintons or whoever the current boogeyman is and we will literally never hear the end of it

Acronymesis ,
@Acronymesis@lemmy.world avatar

There are many who choose not to celebrate until the Orange One has had “actual repercussions”.

Me? Well…

To each their own. 🥂🍻🍸🍷

solidgrue ,
@solidgrue@lemmy.world avatar

What the heck. Skol! 🥃

Elderos ,

Yep, I get why some would be pessimistic after years of nothing happenning to the man, but this is kinda it. I mean, what else do people expect, no due process and straight to prison? This is the worst actual outcome for him right now, and possibly the best for America. I figure he could be considered a flight risk and be put in jail pending process, but I figure this would be a worst outcome for America, considering his deathcult. You’re 2 fox news articles away from them claiming be died in jail and resurrected like Jesus.

Taako_Tuesday ,

Honestly if he fled to russia and a bunch of his followers followed him, godspeed

PutangInaMo ,

The Jan 6 stuff might not stick, and even if it does his supporters have plenty of mental hoops they can jump through to justify.

Those classified documents though… he ain’t getting out of any of those. He fucked up big time with that bullshit. He’s going down for it hard.

dudinax ,

It’s about more than Jan 6. It’s about an attempt to replace the electoral college with phonies. Jan 6 was just the most public part of the plan.

PunnyName ,

For me, he has to either die, or be banned from holding any political position again.

The level of incredibly pissed me off.

He’s garbage, and needs to be treated as such.

Tilted ,

Lets celebrate both now and then 🍸 🍹 🥂 🍾

Acronymesis ,
@Acronymesis@lemmy.world avatar

¡Salud! 🍾

GlitzyArmrest ,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

I just keep imagining that he’s currently crying into a big mac right now. “Do you think they have Diet Coke in prison?”

Acronymesis ,
@Acronymesis@lemmy.world avatar

“MY HAMBERDERS!!! 😭”

Goblin_Mode ,

To each their own indeed. If you want see this as cause to celebrate who am I to rain on your parade, I truly hope you have the right of it.

I’m just exhausted from all of the "final nail in the coffin"s this guy has had. Ive gotten excited for some actual justice just to be disappointed 1 too many times I guess. Even now, any federal charges are gonna just get pardoned as the first act of the next republican president for some quick and easy brownie points amongst their base.

The only hope for lasting consequences is realistically Georgia and even ignoring that they are pretty deeply purple, the Secret Service has pretty explicitly said they will not allow Trump to go to prison… Now I personally am of the belief that they can pound sand since they have no jurisdiction over this. However I do not get to make the call, and as stated above I have been let down too many times…

Maybe this is actually it and maybe I’m just too jaded and not seeing the big picture… I just can’t bring myself to be optimistic anymore man

Acronymesis ,
@Acronymesis@lemmy.world avatar

the Secret Service has pretty explicitly said they will not allow Trump to go to prison…

Woah woah woah woah, did they say this? A cursory Google search only came back with results stating he won’t lose their protection in prison, not that they won’t allow him to be put away.

As I have the right to celebrate all the recent unprecedented actions by DOJ (I must concede that DOJ dragged their feet on a lot of this, and that it’s pretty clear there’s a two-tiered system for the rich “important” types and the rest of us plebs), you certainly have the right to doubt that this all will lead to anything significant. I have nothing to support my belief that the Orange One has finally reached the “FO” stage of FAFO but the indictments that have occurred thus far. However, I will say with confidence that these indictments aren’t entirely meaningless (particularly the docs case), and that their unprecedented nature should be celebrated. The DOJ has taken steps that have literally never been taken before in our history as a country (the indictment of a former president), and while some might say justice delayed is justice denied, I still think that a slow response is better than no response at all.

That all said, I understand feeling skeptical or even hopeless at this point (I certainly felt that way after Impeachment Trial 2). Here’s hoping, though, that we’ll at least get to witness justice finally being served and that any pardons will be moot (I mean, c’mon, the guy’s old!) if a Republican president is elected again any time soon!

Goblin_Mode ,

It’s possible I’m misremembering. I thought in their initial statement about his not losing protection while incarcerated they had mentioned that it would be impossible to protect him while he’s in an open cell block but perhaps that was my dumb lizard brain saying the quiet part out loud. Either way I don’t think they would just let that happen without significant uproar.

Idk maybe I can allow myself to feel an ounce of optimism. I do like the idea of something actually good happening for once lol

flop_leash_973 ,

It just means that IF he manages to get found guilt, and that is a BIG if, he will not go into prison like you or I think of it. He will get some sort of special consideration as part of some sweetheart deal to be confined to house arrest in Mara-la-go except for “special supervised outings related to ex-president business”. Which will really just turn out to be whenever he wants to go somewhere.

So he will be convicted, but functionally it will only be on paper and just a technicality. All because no one is going to want to deal with the real world outcomes of an ex-president being sentenced to real hard time like not as well connected people.

But I will be shocked if they can find 12 jurors that a good lawyer on either side would not be able to argue are truly impartial to even have a valid trial to begin with.

Blamemeta ,

Bet nothing is going to come of it, just like last time.

MostlyBirds ,
@MostlyBirds@lemmy.world avatar

What do you mean “just like last time?” That hasn’t even gone to trial yet.

FlowVoid ,

Maybe they mean the impeachment trial, but if so that’s a bad take.

Blamemeta ,

The last time he was indicted? This is the 3rd time.

MostlyBirds ,
@MostlyBirds@lemmy.world avatar

Correct. “The last time he was indicted” hasn’t come to a resolution yet, nor will it until at least next year. Saying nothing came of it is a dumbass take, to put it gently.

Blamemeta ,

How long has it been? Honestly, if anything were to happen, it would’ve happened already.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.world avatar

Wrong, please learn how long court timelines are before continuing discussing these matters you clearly aren’t familiar with

some_guy ,
@some_guy@kbin.social avatar

So you don’t follow the news at all?

blue_zephyr ,

You’re just objectively wrong…

GlitzyArmrest ,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

Huh? Have you never seen anything about how the court system works?

ryathal ,

Courts are absurdly slow, and it’s probably creeping into human rights violation levels for low priority cases. People have admitted to pleading guilty to just move on as they served a majority of their potential time in prison waiting for the trial

keeb420 ,

do you know how the courts work here? Indictment is pne of the very first steps.then comes all the pretrial stuff, where we are at now with trumps charges. And then comes the actual trial.

littlecolt ,

People have been trained by TV to think justice is swift.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

We’ll see. Now he has to go to actual trial, and it’s in DC.

solidgrue ,
@solidgrue@lemmy.world avatar

These are weighty charges, Doomsayer

dunning_cougar ,

Trump will be barred from running, handing the election to another Republican, who will pardon Trump on day one. There, spoiled the next year and a half of American politics for you.

Grant_M ,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

He can’t be pardoned of state crimes.

Litany ,
@Litany@kbin.social avatar

The only state crimes are the original indictments for perjury, which if you read the article, you will see those are the least compelling charges. The last two sets of indictments are from the DoJ and are considered very sound.

Grant_M ,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

No. The crimes of fake electors go to specific states. There’s federal and state crimes here.

FlowVoid ,

Georgia is about to enter the chat.

Thorndike ,

None of these charges carry with them the barring of running for office. Sedition isn’t in the indictment.

visak ,

He can’t be barred from running. In fact even if convicted he could still be President because he’s been charged with obstruction not sedition. Not a lawyer etc, but I think it’s pretty clear.

The Republican Party could refuse to let him be the nominee but they know what would just cause him to run independent and split the right-wing vote so they’ll support him because they want power more than anything else.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

@visak @dunning_cougar

You're right.

And that sucks, because now the invisible line has been crossed not one of the parties will create laws against it happening again.

'Murica - land of the fraud, home of the deceived

Slartibartfast ,

I'm not sure which other Republican candidates could really step up. Aside from Trump there's DeSantis, who seems to be imploding and I think hates Trump anyway, Chris Christie (who called him a 'One Man Crime Wave' lol) and most of the others I haven't even heard of before.

But there is also Mike Pence who is truly a wild card - there's a reasonable chance Trump literally tried to have him killed and yet he still defends him for some reason - so if anyone is bonkers enough to make it to the White House and then set Trump loose, it'd probably be him.

psycho_driver ,

I find Christie refreshingly straight forward compared to most GOP turd buckets.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I just want Christie to take second place because he and Trump hate each other. Trump almost got Christie killed by inviting him to the White House even though Trump knew he had COVID and Christie ended up almost dying in the hospital because of it. And, of course, Trump hates Christie because all feelings are reciprocal when you’re Trump.

They would destroy each other and I would make popcorn.

onionbaggage ,

None of this bars him from running.

BonesOfTheMoon ,

What a dingdong he is. I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail.

victron ,

Nobody knows more about prison than me. I’m the best inmate they ever had. They love me here. I have the best cell, the best food, the best friends. I’m very popular. The guards respect me. They know I’m innocent. The fake news media and the crooked Democrats put me here. They’re very jealous of me. They’re losers. They’re afraid of me. They know I won the election by a lot. I’m still your president. I’ll be out soon. You’ll see. It’s going to be huge.

rebul ,

This is funny right here, I don't care who you are.

And God bless the pygmies..

ProtonEvoker ,

Needs more run on sentences and spelling mistakes.

victron ,

I know, also some covfefe and hamberders, for good measure. But AI can only do so much.

Bizarroland ,
@Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

And followed by Don Jr and co asking people to contribute to the "take back America" fund, and if you donate over $1,000 you will get 100,000 Trump bucks

victron ,

Don’t forget the limited edition trading cards.

Elderos ,

Can’t wait for the new set portraying the rest of his life.

AssPennies ,

And the exchange rate of tump bucks to stanley nickels is approximately the same as the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns.

Elderos ,

I’ll stick to unicorns.

qooqie ,

I know this is a common sentiment amongst a lot of people, but the reality is he will never see prison time before he dies of old age. He will do everything in his power to draw it out and when he can’t he will flee the country

BonesOfTheMoon ,

Well one can hope I suppose, hope is still free, lol.

Tigbitties ,
@Tigbitties@kbin.social avatar

dies of old age

That could be tomorrow.

KevonLooney ,

It was “common knowledge” that he wouldn’t ever be charged too. The Senate and Mike Pence were pissed at him because he made them look weak. That’s why no one is really defending him right now. He has so many charges that people are going to abandon him just so they don’t have to answer questions about the cases.

Remember the OJ trial? This is the former president in three courtrooms (and counting!). It’s going to make him look so guilty.

victron ,

I don’t think anyone ever cared about him in the GOP, they used him as a tool, a pawn to get the presidency; he got it but still fucked it, and now they have not use for him anymore. DeSantis may be the next one. That’s my highly intellectual political analysis. Emphasis on “high”.

Elderos ,

I wonder though, everyone keep saying no prison because of the SS, ex-president and all, but what mecanism would actually prevent the court from going there? Like, if the judge goes for prison or death penalty, what is gonna happen exactly? What branch of the government, and who exactly would block it, assuming the judge gives no fucks?

GlitzyArmrest ,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not possible for him to receive the death penalty for these charges, the max is 20 years per count. On top of that, the fed doesn’t have the death penalty anymore, as far as I understand.

That being said, it is very possible he will go to prison in some fashion. Of course he will never be with the gen pop, but just because he has an SS detail doesn’t mean he can’t go to prison. Also, it could be possible to strip him of the detail, but I’m pretty sure that will be figured out if the time comes.

Elderos ,

Isn’t that possible if he’s judged responsible of the deaths on Jan6?

*They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death. *

GlitzyArmrest ,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

While that may be the explicit language for the charge, the feds don’t really tend to execute people in the modern post-Gregg era, with a notable exception: Donald Trump restarted executions from the feds when he took office. So, slight correction to my OP. I guess it would be possible, but I highly doubt the US Government would do something as drastic as executing a previous president.

On a personal level here, I am 100% against the death penalty. Even for fucks like this. What’s worse, death, or living your final years in a concrete box and dying there instead? I’d much rather people like him get lost in their own thoughts.

psycho_driver ,

Big Papa Putin may not be in a position to offer him safe harbor for very much longer.

GlitzyArmrest ,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

Problem is, he’s losing a lot of that power now. He doesn’t have many friends in high places these days, even the supreme court has done things to rule against him. I don’t doubt he’ll try to draw it out, but ultimately it’s not up to him anymore.

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

His Secret Service detail won't allow that to happen.

eran_morad ,

Flee the country, my left asshole. Wtf are you on about? He’s charged under the espionage act.

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