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Pacattack57 ,

I’ve seen a few of these articles and everyone is missing the bigger picture. Yes making better products will increase sales. However the main point that people don’t understand is that companies are recognizing that their prices are too high to drive sales and as such prices drop to reflect that. Meaning that inflation is shrinking. This is a huge win for Americans and I hope voters see that and vote accordingly.

WhyFlip ,

I go to my kitchen for coffee. Fuck Starbucks.

hark ,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

The other day I was walking around, thinking about all the different coffee shops I could see, and wondering why people waste their money on starbucks and their burnt-ass coffee.

Cryophilia ,

For the desserts-masquerading-as-coffee.

SeaJ ,

I live in Seattle so I’m obviously not going to visit them when their are a dozen good small cafés within a stone throw of any Starbucks. On the few occasions that I have been there recently, the specialty drinks (I drink the occasional latte) are terrible. That should not be surprising since they are made by minimum wage teenagers. The food is crap. All of it is overpriced.

Also, fuck Howard Schulz.

stoly ,

I love telling people that it’s not actually the first Starbucks after all…

joyjoy ,

I get free starbucks at work. It has to be pretty good to make it worth crossing the street to the main campus.

nobleshift ,
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Anti Union & dirty tactics. Screw 'em.

Speculater ,
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Not to mention, buying local is better quality and cheaper.

RememberTheApollo_ , (edited )

Starbucks used to be a pretty decent place. I mean, your preference for how the coffee tasted aside…they used to have newspapers, magazines, couches and other comfy furnishings, nice seating, the pastries were fresh, pretty damn good, and there was a decent variety. Decent coffee-making merch for sale, too. Their menu was coffee and espresso drinks. None of this choco-frosted-sugar-ice-bomb with coffee as an afterthought - if there’s any in the drink at all.

Now? Cheap-ass furniture that invites you to take your coffee and gtfo. Buy a mug or insulated plastic drink glass. Pastries? Let’s pop those out of a plastic bag. Coffee? Minimal. Now it’s the aforementioned sugary drinks or other fruity drinks that have no coffee at all. There is no reason to go there unless your diabetes needs a challenge.

Literally the only thing keeping me buying Starbucks is the loyalty app that gets me a free bag of coffee a couple times a year. Otherwise I’d go elsewhere. Once the loyalty program stops paying out, I’m gone.

Windhover ,

Starbucks wants to be a drive thru paradise

aramis87 ,

Traffic to its U.S. stores fell again [...] dropping 6%. Domestic same-store sales fell 2%, boosted by an increase in average ticket.

So they had less people come in, and their response was to raise prices.

Last quarter, executives discussed plans to revive the lagging U.S. business that included leaning on discounts

Ah, yes, temporarily lower prices that you'll need to install their tracking app for, I'm sure. They'll use it to dial in the price-point at which each customer is willing to buy, offer "discounts" to just above that price, and then boil-the-frog until it reaches a price acceptable to corporate ...

DoctorButts ,

Lol

Mereo ,

Outside of North America, same-store sales slid 7%. In China, Starbucks’ second-largest market, same-store sales tumbled 14% as both average ticket and transactions shrank. Starbucks has faced stiffer competition in China from local coffee shops that undercut the coffee giant on price.

And that is the problem. Starbucks is not offering anything that doesn’t already exist. It pretends to be a coffee shop for the upper class because it sounds “sophisticated” to say grande instead of medium.

I no longer go there. I know local coffee shops that offer a much better selection of coffees at a good price. And their atmosphere is authentic.

stoly ,

On reddit maybe be 12 years ago was a post about what it’s like to work there and apparently employees will straight up rage hate you if you say you don’t speak Starbucks.

saltesc ,

Americans learning why Starbucks struggles overseas. I’m guessing the maturity of small coffee shops has caught up to the rest of us, so better coffee at better pricing is more abundant.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Struggle overseas?

I guess if you exclude Asia, UK, Canada, and Turkey… maybe

.https://www.statista.com/statistics/306915/countries-with-the-largest-number-of-starbucks-stores-worldwide/

stoly ,

Latin America is also obsessed.

Cryophilia ,

When people on lemmy say “overseas” or “the world”, they really only mean Europe.

Vibi , (edited )

Started going to a small local coffee shop a little over two years ago, and I’ll never go back to the giant chains. The people working are always happy, greet regulars by name, always go out of their way to interact or talk with me- usually remember something we talked about before, comp my orders every now and then, host little events, etc. It’s not just them either - I always have a way better experience going to non-chain coffee places. Oh, and the coffee is always waay better and priced better.

Zombiepirate ,
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Sometimes I’ll work out of a small local cafe that roasts their own beans on site.

It’s insane how much better the coffee is for the same price, and they know my order before I even say anything.

Plus, I can get excellent beans from them to brew at home, and I’m supporting a local business instead of a megacorp.

WhyFlip ,

Bullshit on it being priced better. Provide examples, not anecdotes. Where are you located?

Warl0k3 , (edited )

Yeah! What’s your shoe size, OP? You got a dog? A cat? A mother? “Everyone” has one, right. You seriously expect us to believe that? Prove it! Come on, what’s her maiden name? Her date of birth? Her routing number! Where was she last thursday night, out back of bakers garage like she was supposed’ta be? Better make sure you get your facts straight OP, or me and my partner Flippy “The Iceman” here will show ya what we do to commenters down in jersey what don’t put up with our unreasonable demands, capiche?

kbin_space_program ,

The first thing Starbucks did when they bought Teavana was increase the prices by 25 - 50%, despite them already being on the upper end of local looseleaf tea shops.

Combine that with the change from actual tea to sugar-added, Oprah approved crap signed the death warrant for that chain.

QuarterSwede ,
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Dutch Bros is where it’s at. Actually good roasts and the same price or less. That said, I make my own Americano at home in about 2 min while making breakfast and it’s consistently great.

Tikiporch , (edited )

Dutch Bros. has been good every time I’ve tried them. I don’t believe their coffee is markedly better than any other coffee chain. It comes down to how much you pay your staff, so that they give a shit about their jobs, so that tasks like roasting beans and cleaning equipment is done properly and regularly.

QuarterSwede ,
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Starbucks is known for its over roasted (burnt) flavor. That’s intentional. Dutch Bros doesn’t do that. Are they that much better than other smaller chains or independents? Probably not but they’re everywhere and easy to get in and out of.

ShepherdPie ,

I bought stock in them during their IPO and want them to succeed as a company since they’re from my home state, but honestly their coffee is terrible to me. I used to go there all the time but dislike it now after branching out more.

dudinax ,

Dutch Bro’s has some rule that the staff has to flirt with the customers. Creeps me out.

eran_morad , (edited )

$3/coffee or some shit. Versus like a buck for a whole fkn pot of coffee at home.

Draupnir ,

Try $6.75 for their new refresher drinks. Flavored water over ice. No wonder sales are declining.

TheAlbatross ,

They should try making good coffee

mp3 , (edited )
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The coffee is okay, but no where close to the price they’re asking for.

TheAlbatross ,

The pricing is also egregious considering I can make a far better cup at home for less.

mp3 ,
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You’ll always make a better cup of coffee at home for less.

But people pay a little extra for the convenience of not doing it. Starbucks however is banking on their reputation to overcharge, which seems to be finally backfiring.

xmunk ,

I will never understand people who get drip coffee at Starbucks… back when I got things from there it would just be the occasional over the top milk shake. Starbucks legitimately has the tools to produce ridiculous drinks with far less hassle then it’d take at home.

solrize ,

It’s like drinking Bud Light at a bar. The beer isn’t the product, the venue is.

ArmoredThirteen , (edited )

Yeah the only Starbucks in my area I’ll go into is the reserve but that’s because it’s just really cool in there. If I want a busy environment that feels like a steampunk world then it’s the place to be. Coffee there still sucks tho and even with the cool location I’m still only in there maybe a couple times a year

solrize ,

I avoid Starbucks for all kinds of reasons but can’t say it’s 100% abstention. Sometimes it’s just a little too convenient for that overpriced slop. Sometimes called Charbucks because of how the coffee is always burnt.

TowardsTheFuture ,

Is their coffee much more than $2? Last I remember, it wasn’t THAT expensive considering it isn’t shit coffee like a Burger King/McDonalds or etc.

Or by drip do you mean their like clover machine fancy coffees? I never bothered with those so idk how much that was.

astanix ,

2.95 for a default size black coffee at the one closest to me right now

littletoolshed ,

Ok but what is the default size? And where-ish are you? In the Starbucks app, it defaults to Grande for me and that is $3.45.

A Tall is $3.25.

A Short is $3.15.

This is in Northern California.

astanix ,

Grande, northeast Ohio

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

McDonalds coffee is decent, at least in Canada.

Tim Horton’s terrible.

Feelfold ,

I don’t like candy bars or milkshakes. If I’m going to a Starbucks its at 3am in an airport, it’s the ONLY option, thus I’m willing to tolerate burnt to fuck drip coffee.

catloaf ,

The coffee is better at home, sure. But I can’t make what is essentially a specialty milkshake at home without going out and getting the tools and ingredients.

Sometimes I can have little a of Starbucks, as a treat.

navi ,
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I just found a local place that makes a bomb chocolate coffee shake (I mean uhh. A blended mocha) and support them.

The worst part is that I can get Starbucks anywhere but only get my local stuff near home.

variants ,

In my town one of the two coffee shops closed down but they opened like 4 more Starbucks, we have 4 within a quarter mile on the same street it’s wild

hddsx ,

That’s… not true. I have zero coffee making skills and tools.

Aussiemandeus ,
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A kettle and some instant coffee, better then any coffee I’ve ever had from a shop

njm1314 ,

No not always. I knew this Turkish immigrant who had his own little coffee shop you could not make close to the stuff he made let me tell you. God I miss him.

Today ,

And not supporting the RNC.

Ghostalmedia ,
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How do they support the RNC?

…cert.starbucks.com/…/137-78795.pdf

DrWeevilJammer , (edited )
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Starbucks does not directly support the RNC. But that doesn’t mean that Starbucks’ lobbying money doesn’t primarily support Republicans. Per the PDF you linked, the majority of Starbucks’ contributions to lobbying organizations went to those that donate at least 75% of their lobbying to Republicans.

From your link: National Restaurant Association: 75% of all donations to Republicans; 50% of Starbucks’ donations to this organization went to lobbyingBusiness Roundtable: “75 percent of donations from the median chief executive were directed to Republicans”; 40% of Starbucks’ donations to this organization went to lobbying

Edit: Added the word “lobbying” before “money” in the first paragraph. Should have been in the original.

Today ,

There was an article during the convention that listed supporters. I’ll look for it.

ETA- my mistake. It was a fake that was shared on Facebook and Twitter. It must have been here too because i don’t have Twitter and my Facebook is only cats and relatives.

Nougat ,

They make desserts using coffee as an ingredient. That's why their coffee is shit at being coffee.

Vanilla makes a pancake delicious, but you wouldn't drink it.

noxy ,
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but you wouldn’t drink it.

Hey I had to try it at least once!

(Also: at most once)

Iheartcheese ,
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You should try again

noxy ,
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I resent you for the bad taste now in my mouth, but I thank you for giving me an excuse to break from doomscrolling :P

Iheartcheese ,
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You just didn’t drink enough

Ghostalmedia ,
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Also, good pastries again.

The good cafes next to me all have fresh baked pastries from a local bakery. Not Starbucks. 7-11 has better food than Starbucks.

stoly ,

My sister used to manage a coffee shop and says they would never hire former Starbucks employees because they are trained to make it very poorly.

Astronauticaldb ,

They never will though. Recently, they had “expert tasters” test how long their espresso shots tasted good, and their result was that “Starbucks espresso shots last up to 90 seconds.” This just so happened to take place right as they started introducing a new system on how to sequence drinks while on the espresso and cold beverage bars lol.

(Also, as a footnote, Espresso shots die after 5-10 seconds; the crema just dissipates after then, making the shot taste acidic)

Drunemeton ,
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So, off topic, but are you saying that I’m to drink a scalding hot, freshly pulled shot within 10 seconds!?

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