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Ragdoll_X ,
@Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world avatar

IT’S JOEVER

en1gma ,

Byeden

zarathustra0 ,

Baiden

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t agree with his endorsement for Kamala but thank god finally.

Now throw in some fresh candidates and provable promises, and I’m completely on board.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Goddammit.

I’m just going to say it. They can’t put Harris up. Not because she’s lacking in any political skills, she isn’t, but there are far too many swing voters that will sit on their hands or vote for trump if the Dems try to put up a woman who also happens to be African American as the nominee. There’s still too much prejudice and misogyny that wants an old white man over anyone else. She’s been far too quiet as VP to build any sort of following. The press will pull a Hillary on her, the clueless SJW in the Dems will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because they’d rather have a woman run than win an election. I’ll vote for anyone they put up, but I sure as hell hope they can put someone up that the swing voters will show up for too.

criitz ,

With Hillary they had been dragging her name for 30 years. They haven’t had time to Hillary Kamala. The misogyny and racism aspect may indeed hurt her, but luckily most of those votes were already Trumps

Zaktor ,

Seriously. What more could Trump possibly do to inspire someone with racism as one of their primary issues to vote for him. If you’re that dedicated to it, you already had your candidate.

5redie8 ,

Not because she’s lacking in any political skills, she isn’t, but there are far too many swing voters that will sit on their hands or vote for trump if the Dems try to put up a woman who also happens to be African American as the nominee. There’s still too much prejudice and misogyny that wants an old white man over anyone else.

Yeah, this is the first thing my girlfriend and I said to each other, it’s my biggest point of worry and IMO could have been the straw that broke Hillary’s 2016 run. I’m just hoping that the positives shine through at this point.

UristMcHolland ,

Jon Stewart / Katie Porter ticket would get my vote 1000%

MutilationWave ,

Jon Stewart is the obvious choice to lead this country. But he doesn’t want to. Which makes him an even better choice.

But he’s not going to run and I don’t blame him for trying to enjoy his life instead of going to hell as a president who cares.

Zaktor ,

I’d vote 3 or 4 times for that ticket.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

I respect him for this decision. Hopefully this will work out.

Veneroso ,

K-Hive is ready baby!

Buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz

BigMacHole ,

The DNC NEVER listens to what the People Want so I don’t know how to Feel about this.

krashmo ,

Your use of capital letters is confusing as hell

OldWoodFrame ,

After the Schumer leak, this had to happen.

It has to be Kamala and anyone thinking otherwise is dumb.

And I don’t know if Kamala can win. I don’t know if she could do better than Joe would do. But I know she’ll do better than what would happen if Joe had a second debate like the first debate.

If nothing else, this keeps it close.

kandoh ,

This feels very energizing. I think you’ll see democrats get a lot more excited about the election now. They’ll have a great time watching the talking heads arguing over who should be VP. The contrast between team hold-onto-power-no-matter-what and team democrat will not be missed on low information voters.

merc ,

she’ll do better than what would happen if Joe had a second debate like the first debate.

Or, what would happen if there was no second debate, which I’m sure is what the Republicans were planning for. Why consider a second debate when the only thing it could do is make Biden look better? They would have used every rule and excuse to get out of having a second debate so that the only image voters had of Biden was from the first one.

ceenote ,

It was like pulling teeth for awhile, but Joe Biden deserves to be recognized for his humility. That’s not common in politicians at that level.

Varyk , (edited )

Fair amount of schadenfreude at the panic right now, having been shouted down for weeks for telling people they should stop self-indulgently and anxiously begging Biden to step aside, since he already beat Trump and has gained a lot of allies through progressive legislation.

I’m very curious who the DNC is going to dredge up since the only person who could unite the left is Bernie Sanders and the DNC has previously explicitly declined him.

Enjoy laying in the bed you’ve made, every short-sighted doofer who asked for this.

kandoh ,

You guys have delusional views on Bernie Sanders.

Varyk ,

In what way?

kandoh ,

You think he’s more popular than he is, younger than he is, and more unwilling to compromise his values than he is.

Varyk ,

Zero out of three for you.

You’re projecting.

I know the first two and there is plenty of counterevidence for the third.

Popular - he is

Old - doesn’t matter

Compromises values - mountains of counterevidence over half a century of progressive politics.

Do you have any evidence to suggest relevance to your comment?

criitz ,

Bernie is popular with the left (including me) but not Democrats at large (and definitely not with the right). He didn’t get nearly enough support in 2016 to make it. He’s definitely not one to compromise his values though, I don’t know where the commenter got that idea.

Varyk , (edited )

If he was endorsed by the DNC, I doubt he would have any trouble sweeping the election.

Perfect for trump too, he confounds and infuriates the conservatives but can’t be flapped.

There’s some dumb “not enough” crap kooks are spreading about AOC and Sanders not being left for not literally firebombing the white house over Palestine.

Such a ridiculous remark is likely tangential to that or a similar fabrication.

kandoh ,

Popular — he lost to Hilary Clinton

Old — clearly age does matter

Compromises values — Voted for the ACA with no public option (which he promised he wouldn’t do)

Varyk ,

Wildly wrong again, keep swinging.

  1. Incorrect and irrelevant
  2. Incorrect, especially now.
  3. He literally voted to help millions of people access healthcare. Which are his consistent values.

Geez, you’re terrible at this.

kandoh ,

Citations needed

callouscomic ,

If he was gonna do this, why not announce it a year ago? Idiotic lack of political savvy. RBG levels of idiocy clinging to your post and ignoring the greater good.

I love the chaos. Everyone can now have a candidate they didn’t really ever vote for, and it’ll be appalling if THIS is the way we finally get the first woman president.

jumjummy ,

Now watch all the “I’m a leftist” people using Genocide Joe pivot over to some other talking point as soon as Putin gives them marching orders via Fox News.

Toastypickle ,

For fucks sake. We’re fucked

kandoh ,

We’re so fucking back!

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Nah. This is a good thing.

Plume , (edited )
@Plume@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

People. We, the French, pulled a left-wing coalition out of our asses in less than a week and managed to “win” an election. You have months. Hope is permitted.

kandoh ,

I think you’ll start to see a lot more excitement in the next few weeks.

Tacos_y_margaritas ,

I’m already noticing a lot of hype for Kamala 🤞

peopleproblems ,

I mean, ok, what’s not to hype? The second Black president, but in two centuries, it would be the first woman. The right’s heads will collectively explode if she wins.

assassin_aragorn ,

Mmmm you know this would be quite the upside

NewAgeOldPerson ,

Can someone find the “hope is kindled” gif from LoTR Return of the King? When Pipin lights the beacon of Minas Tirith. I can’t find it.

Wiz ,

…fanpop.com/…/Gandalf-ian-mckellen-42765123-300-2…

morphballganon ,

Why’d you put “win” in quotes?

magnor ,
@magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh avatar

Because we only have a relative majority and now Macron is teaming up with the hard right (not the far right, the other right right that is not center right… Yeah, too much right is wrong) to deprive us of any path to government. Shit sucks. But it could have sucked way harder.

Pronell ,

It’s also a strategic moderate move to keep the hard right from merging with Reform.

I’m hoping the left wing parties aren’t locked out and still able to get progress made.

Ooops ,
@Ooops@feddit.org avatar

Cuddling up to the hard right might look like a strategical move but it never works. Normalising them only shifts the discussion further to the right. And let’s face it… in this post-factual time where all that matters is the narratives, giving them a platform will only help to brain-wash more people into believing into right-wing fake-solutions to actual problems.

xav ,

Because, well, the left coalition came out ahead of the vote but then started to loose ground to political shenanigans. War is not over but a significant battle was lost.

taiyang ,

It’s very true. We’ve been brainwashed into a year long campaign mostly because it generates a lot of money for various parties but prior elections have proven it’s mostly what happens in the last month that makes a difference.

Y’all are lucky you can make coalitions, though. This is more akin to your election if you only had centrists and far right running. Two party system and all that.

mosiacmango ,

“Hope and change” is back in it to win it.

Motherfucking Obama at it again.

Marand ,

Lol, Obama comming back would be incredible. Is he even allowed to? He already served two terms

Osito ,

He’s not allowed to but people are saying Michelle could be the pick, but that would only be marginally better than Kamala

They need Gretchen, Pete, or Kelly

Serinus ,

Jon Stewart. Someone go pull him and make him do it. There’s no one better to take down Trump.

tamal3 ,

He’d be miserable the whole time, but we’d all be better off. Please Jon!

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

I mean I’d love it and I’m going back and forth on this comment. His biggest negative is those who lean right will see him exactly as he is “a New York Jew”

That said, who better to trounce Trump and humiliate his ass? I think the only thing better would be Michelle Obama. Trump would lose his absolute shit debating and/or losing to a woman let alone a black woman.

Watch that fucker drop the N bomb in a debate against her lol

merc ,

A 2-woman ticket would never work. It’s going to be very dicey having a woman leading the ticket with a man as VP, given how sexist the US electorate is.

slackassassin ,

What’s sexist is going on and on about how a woman is unelectable.

merc ,

Yes, reality is sexist. But, you can’t just live in a fantasy land.

slackassassin ,

A friend of mine was running a restaurant, and before a major business meeting, her 2nd said that he should do all the talking because the other party was sexist and wouldn’t listen to a woman.

She fired his ass, rightfully. That is not what progress looks like. Step up and fight against sexism, don’t concede to that shit.

Melatonin ,

Al Franken

catloaf ,

We don’t really do coalitions here. Our voting system doesn’t allow for it.

It does happen within Congress itself though, when different sects of the two parties cross the aisle to join with the other party on certain issues. But since Congress doesn’t elect a prime minister, it doesn’t happen for the presidency.

Plume ,
@Plume@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I know. You’re missing my point. :)

My point wasn’t the coalition. My point was that we had 21 days to cobble something together and not only did we do it, we managed to win with it. It’s not about the coalition, it’s about building a campaign. You have months to do so.

And you’re about to say that Trump had way longer to do so. Yes. So did the far right in our country, which barely even campaigned because all of the media were doing so on their behalf for the last two years and we still managed to outnumber them.

Trust me, my faith in the Democrats is barely existent. But still, I think it can be done.

slurpeesoforion ,

Viva la France

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

It’s a binary choice in the US presidential election, that isn’t even based on the popular vote.

sunzu ,

The regime provides two choices, people do a circle jerk, regime gets their candidate.

Win win!

Unless you work for money

Hammocks4All ,

Lord have merci

merc ,

A “long” election campaign in the UK is 6 weeks. In 1992 they had one that was just 30 days.

Months is plenty of time, especially in the modern world. Maybe 250 years ago it was necessary to campaign for months on end so that the candidate could personally travel by train to every state. But, with modern media (both traditional and social), there’s no real reason for campaigns to be as long as they are. The only reason they’re this long is that the thought is that the earlier you start campaigning, the better. So, each side keeps starting earlier and earlier, making it effectively into a neverending campaign cycle.

Draedron ,

America has no left wing. The dems have now handed Trump the win since its way too late to change the candidate and Harris is completely invisible

JasonDJ ,

So we need a French immigrant to help fix the government?

https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/b3c902fa-545b-41ca-9459-637393a64408.webp

assassin_aragorn ,

Well spoken.

A few months in politics is an eternity. Yes, things are chaotic right now, but this is short term. We can unify after this. And we can win.

Angry_Autist ,

You, the French, have not been the target of a 40 year war against public education by the right wing. Americans are on average significantly less capable of rational thought because of it. Source: I am an American raised in the crippled education system I mentioned before.

LillyPip ,

It’s a bit naive to think Western Europe hasn’t been under attack from the right wing at least as long as the US has. They’ve had wars over it that never really reached US shores, and it never really went away. All of the strategies that have been used in the US were piloted and honed in Europe – look up the activities there by Manafort, Stone, Bannon, etc. all the same names who have been implementing the shit you’re seeing in the US were active in Western and Eastern Europe years before this. It’s been going on there far longer.

It’s amazing to me that people in the US haven’t been paying attention to what’s gone on there and learning from their successes.

Angry_Autist ,

It’s pretty naive to think there is any other country on the planet that could cause the world more damage if turned fascist. If Italy and france and the u.k. and whatever other little buttfuck euro mountain countries all decided to go fascist at once and combine, their entire military could be handled by our Coast Guard.

So you can be amused and astonished and drop your monocle or whatever the fuck is the fashion these days to feel whatever degree of delusional safety you need to not be grinding your teeth in existential dread. Because if the U.S. goes fascist, there is literally no military force in the world that can even slow us down.

It’s amazing to me that people in the US haven’t been paying attention to what’s gone on

Then you vastly overestimate the attention span of the average American.

So yes, Europe has had its struggle with the hard right for a while but NONE of you have to deal with the vicious shitbags that make up OUR far right.

So you’ve been dealing with it longer, but I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE with all the mass shootings, the protests, the stochastic terrorism, the U.S. is dealing with a fucktonne more violence and threat than any EU nation.

LillyPip ,

It’s pretty naive to think there is any other country on the planet that could cause the world more damage if turned fascist.

I never said that, and I’m confused how you got that from my comment.

In fact, if you look through my history, you’ll see I’ve said if the US goes fascist, that will be a huge problem for the whole world.

I’m not downplaying the threat at all – quite the opposite. We’re on the same side, and I’m not sure why you’re attacking me here.

Angry_Autist ,

I’m tired of people making light of this, I’m tired of people being passive about this, there is only one way that considering Biden stepping down literally weeks before the election, and that is everyone, not just Americans, clearing the discussion space for people who seriously desire and possess the ability to prevent trump from being elected. Yet EVERY SINGLE online space is carpet bombed with bots and human forum manipulators who are ALLOWED to exist because they hide in the memes and the jokes, being able to muddy the discussion and break morale all under the guise of ‘it’s a prank bro’ so they are immune to being called out. It’s already been well established that Lemmy mods are just as careless and agenda driven as the reddit mods we fled here to escape, so we can’t count on THEM clearing the conversation. It has to be the users, by:

  1. Not memeing for clout for a few fucking weeks for one goddamn time in human history
  2. Downvoting to oblivion everyone who does
  3. Only bringing content that forwards the goal of preventing twice impeached, convicted felon ex-president 45 out of office.

But this will never happen, because the users have ‘the right to play’, and their discourse of subtle anti-Harris ‘humor’ will spread like cancer, just like the anti-Hillary meme machine of 2016, and every mod and their mother will fight for those shitheads rights to slide us further and further into fucking fascism.

LillyPip ,

I’m tired of people making light of this, I’m tired of people being passive about this,

Hey man, so am I. We’re on the same page. I’ve spent the last 10 years trying to get people to take this threat seriously. That’s why I bring up what’s happened in Europe and how the far right has been piloting their ideas there. They’ve been planning this and working out the details for decades, but they’ve also lost during some of that. My point is maybe we can look at those losses and learn some things.

Many people in the US are totally unaware of that history and haven’t seen where they’ve been stomped back down. I’m saying we can look at their losses and learn something. Chest-thumping does nothing. We should be learning.

They’ve got an advantage because whilst most democratic leaders have been trying to govern and deal with crises, they’ve been systematically testing the fences. Like velociraptors, they’ll eat everyone’s faces at the first opportunity.

You’re right – we can’t make light of this or be passive. I’ve been trying to figure out how we can collectively resist for a decade. I didn’t want Biden to step down, and even though I don’t personally like Biden, I never said that because we can’t be divided and he was better than the Nazis on the porch. But now he has and this is where we are.

I’ve been downvoted for years for saying the things you’re saying – again, I don’t get why you’re angry at me. I’ve tried to get people to see the real state of things, and I’ll not stop doing that. All I can do now is convince people to vote, because that’s the only play we have left, but I’d like even more for people to understand the real threat. And I still don’t get why you seem angry at me when we’re on the same side.

Charzard4261 ,

Ah yes, Europe never had to deal with such far right-wingers. We’d like borrow the term you guys came up with to describe them in case we ever face such violent fascists. What was it again?

Oh right, Nazis.

Angry_Autist ,

Those were mostly dead before you were born and you have likely never personally suffered at the hands of right wing violence.

My niece had her hand broken by a rancid nazi flag waving trumpfucker for having the gall to stand up for trans rights, but I’m sure the old-timey pro-nationalist graffiti you’ve have occasionally been forced to observe was just as harmful.

There are literal hard right militias training with military grade equipment on our own soil RIGHT NOW, and it is likely that most of the police force will join them.

No one you know or love is at threat more than my own family right now and I will NOT sit by quiet while greasestains like you try and marginalize this.

Wiz ,

Thank you, French. You’re awesome. I was losing hope, and yet a miracle happened.

Good job.

LesserAbe ,

Thanks for your support! And very happy to see your success in France.

morphballganon , (edited )

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