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Tygr ,

11th hour switch and the delay in getting Biden to step down when they knew his brain was failing will be their downfall.

All that money spent promoting Biden wasted. Good luck.

stoly ,

Ultimately it’s the party nominee rather than the specific person people vote for. All that campaigning still matters.

Shameless ,

11th hour? The nomination for the party hasn’t even happened, there is around 5 months to the polls, this is definitely not the 11th hour.

Tygr ,

We’ll see. It’s the 11th hour. Sooooo late.

Xanis ,

I’ll say just one thing:

Every single one of you assholes who wouldn’t shut up about him stepping down since the dude missed the toilet bowl fifty years ago after a particularly wild night out better sure as fuck step up now that Old Joe has stepped down.

A sitting god damned President of the United States has stepped aside less than half a year before reelection. Make no mistake: The man swallowed his pride and ego HARD to make this decision. Let’s honor that by creating a wall of votes so god. damned. thick. Riley Reid would gasp.

abracaDavid ,

It took pretty much the entire Democratic party calling for him to step down before he would.

He came out and said multiple times that he wasn’t going anywhere. He was forced out.

Hackworth ,

Didn’t he also get Covid last week?

Contravariant ,

Wouldn’t surprise me if that’s what sealed the deal for him.

I mean the deadlines are closing and having to fight to even stay in the race while president of the U.S. and recovering from an illness is not something anyone looks forward to.

Frankly I hope he can catch a break for a bit, and enjoy a pension after all this is over.

assassin_aragorn ,

He came out and said multiple times that he wasn’t going anywhere

This was always going to be one of those things where “despite saying 8 hours ago that he was committed to the election and was not going to drop out, he has now dropped out”. You’re never going to see someone in these situations say “eh might drop out, not sure”

nexas_XIII ,

You see it in sports all the time. “I’m dedicated to finding a good contract to stay in this city” then they sign a new contract with a new team.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

So what.

The point is, it’s time to unite behind a candidate and look like we want to win.

Sconrad122 ,

Am one of those “assholes”. Kamala was far from my favorite candidate in 2020, but I just donated a hefty (for me) chunk of change and will be volunteering. I didn’t need perfection, just a feasible path to victory in November and now we have it. I’m so pumped right now, project 2025 no longer looks like an inevitability. LFG!

FlaminGoku ,

Riley Reid: Oh god you’re going to make me vote

Hackworth ,

I will vote for whoever the Dems put up, as I would have voted for BIden. It’s fantastic that he stepped down, cause he is clearly unfit to serve. He should probably step down from the Presidency right now, asshole.

Wiz ,
  • for whomever

It’s the object of the preposition, asshole. Git gud.

Hackworth ,

Truly a clarion call for unity.

utubas ,

Lmao

andrewth09 ,

I am one of those assholes. Once the DNC formally endorses a candidate I’ll donate to their campaign.

Cool_Name ,

I’ll be there in November!

Side note, maybe we can have Riley Reid for the candidate?

yeahiknow3 ,

Unironically better candidate.

Cool_Name ,

Younger, healthier, charismatic, great on camera, focused in stressful situations. Also, she’ll be great at dealing with congress because she is so experienced with dicks and assholes.

Annoyed_Crabby ,

People are now saying Trump is winning because Joe step down. Like the fuck you guys want lmao

HappycamperNZ ,

Ironically she’s also known to have raped someone and didn’t get charged.

djsoren19 ,

I’m not gonna pretend that I love Harris, but this does make me energized enough to try and convince others to vote for her.

I think the hard part is going to be getting Trump to agree to debate her, but she should be able to kick his ass and hit him hard on the issues that matter for this election, as opposed to doddling on a stage arguing about golf.

laverabe ,

I just looked up some of her positions and she does seem a bit more progressive than Biden was. She cosponsored Bernie’s medicare for all bill a few years ago and supports marijuana legalization.

I think this whole mess could actually be a net positive for democrats as it reinvigorates enthusiasm (“hope and change”, version 2024)

Jakdracula ,
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Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

Cringe

Bumblefumble ,

This decision really raises my opinion of Biden so much. God damn do I love that man, he is truly a great person who dedicated his life to serve his country, literally. He honestly had a great term given the circumstances, and the only thing he probably should have done differently is to not run for reelection to begin with. But he seemed to genuinely believe he could win and stave off Trump. Now that that seemed impossible, he makes a very courageous decision that a lot of people probably wouldn’t have made and puts the country ahead of his ego. Lots of respect from me, and I hope this reinvigorates the democratic base and makes the future brighter for all of us.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

come up for air you are choking on it

Dkarma ,

Coming from maga throatpie that’s hilarious

abracaDavid ,

Yeah the Biden dick riding is fucking crazy.

It’s not like he graciously stepped down. It took almost the entire DNC calling for him to step down before he would.

Not to mention that he’s been funding a genocide, and did practically nothing to address the biggest issue of our lives, which is climate change.

Bumblefumble ,

As a European progressive I obviously don’t worship Biden, but I have really come to respect him and he has been nothing but a class act throughout his whole term. He is stepping down and handing over the reins, now is as good a time as ever to recognize him as a - quite surprisingly honestly - good president.

assassin_aragorn ,

That’s fine, the choking helps me show just how much I appreciate him doing this.

What, did you think I was going to take this an insult? “Oh no he’s saying I’m sucking another man’s penis!”

Nah. Biden just showed he’s putting the country over his ego. That’s not something Trump would’ve ever done, and very few politicians at all would do this. I’m going to keep guzzling for as long as I damn please, thank you very much.

kelargo ,

President Biden is doing what Justice Ginsburg couldn’t do and look what that accomplished.

EnderWiggin ,

Kamala 2024! Let’s go!

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

our country just does not have enough police representation

go Kamala 2024! who wants to be under a prosecutor’s boot? we do!

suction ,

Back to /pol with you

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m surprised you got Daddy Trumps cock out your mouth enough to look at a screen to type this. Or you’re multi-tasking in which case I applaud you.

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

That’s why I’m never gonna cancel my USA subscription. Your shows always have a crazy twist right before the season finale.

Jokes aside: Not a single person who even considers voting for Trump is worth any hassle. Their vote is a coin flip on fucking acid. The dems should try to animate the lazy nonvoting pricks.

Revan343 ,

Don’t disparage acid like that, every psychedelic user I know is left wing

TrickDacy ,

Your assessment is spot on. I am forever shocked that people seem to think there are voters on the fence between trump and anyone else

Angry_Autist ,

It’s pretty telling how you can meme about the most dangerous nation on the planet slipping into fascism. Of course you don’t care now because it isn’t happening in your city. I guaran-fucking-tee if drumpf gets re-elected, it will be IN your city by next year. So laugh it up.

nepenthes ,
@nepenthes@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think anyone means to disparage the very real concerns facing USians, and I think non-USians recognize this affects every one of us regardless of country (I recently made a comment regarding this exactly).

I think that commenter was just using humour because it’s quite overwhelming that within a week-- Trump’s been shot at and Biden is stepping aside.

If us outsiders are feeling this, then I imagine it is so much worse for USians. I am empathetic to how stressful this must be, and hope for a candidate who annhilates Trump and leads your country towards healing.

Angry_Autist ,

Being humorous about overwhelming things is how the fuck cheetolini got his first term.

How about we stop being humorous and acknowledge that the U.S. going fascist is literally the worst thing that could happen to the planet since the last meteor-driven mass extinction.

braxy29 ,

i don’t mind the humor, because good lord it’s so damn depressing otherwise.

EurekaStockade ,

The president of the United States affects the rest of the world but we don’t have a say in who it is, so I don’t know what you expect from us foreigners? Perhaps my country which is a staunch US ally and a fraction of the size should launch a coup?

Sort your shit out, America, because nobody is in a position to do it for you. We’re making jokes because it seems unreal that things have gotten this far and because there is no real way for us to influence US domestic politics.

Angry_Autist ,

Ok, enjoy sitting passively and watching and memeing as literally the greatest existential threat to human freedom slowly rises.

What you non-Americans can do: Stop meming, clear the air, show solidarity.

But no, just like history shows us:

When the world has a problem, America has a problem

When America has a problem, America has a problem.

I’m sure we can just sort this out real quick for you so you can go back to eurovision or living in buildings more than a hundred years old. I’m sure we’ll be fine.

captainlezbian ,

As a trans woman in a red state I can meme, I have to. If I stop joking I’m gonna fall into despair lol

Angry_Autist ,

I’m not sure what that has to do with you helping usher in fascism but you can make up whatever justification you want to help you sleep better, just accept that, especially for you, the world will be SIGNIFICANTLY worse when twice impeached, convicted felon, probably pedophile and certain fascist cheetolini gets memed into office.

I suggest a better cope than actively damaging morale. Something offline.

captainlezbian ,

No fucking shit. I joke but I also make damn clear what the options are. Survival or not. I’ll mock my own side but I’ll also shame the hell out of any non democratic voter this year. You may not see the latter as often because I do that in person.

Honestly I suspect you’re damaging the cause more than me at the moment. The guy who really fucked up here imo won’t be President near year. It’s not on Harris regardless of my thoughts on the lady (that she’s a better leader than speaker and that I wish we could get someone like Senator Brown or Representative Ocasio-Cortez

Sarothazrom ,

Definitely should have happened 6 months ago, but better late than never - something about planting a tree.

This also robs the GOP of the hE’s ToO oLd argument, which is one of their only effective attacks.

Valmond ,

Yeah, who’s the old rambling man now eh!

fubarx ,

The biggest hot-topic issue this election should have been abortion (and by extension, SCOTUS). But the discussion got side-tracked by all this talk of old age. The debate just reinforced the narrative and concern with Biden. They would have hammered him over and over, with Trump bragging about how quickly he recovered from an injury.

Now, we have:

  • A sittingVP with actual Whitehouse experience, who can take credit for all the economic policies under Biden. Also, a former Senator.
  • A prosecutor and former Attorney General vs a convicted felon.
  • The age issue disappears (in fact, it now becomes a liability against Trump).
  • A woman vs the guy who bragged about killing Roe v. Wade.
  • Future of SCOTUS.

If she just keeps talking about those topics non-stop, she’ll do fine.

The only thing better would have been if Biden had resigned to let people see her in the actual role, but this works. She picks a mid-westerner as VP who can stand up to Vance and it’s a whole new ballgame.

I’m actually stoked about this race again.

HonkTonkWoman ,

Could we tap Liz Cheney to be our Vance wrangler?

Not a candidate, no, KH will still need a VP.

I just mean a wrangler. Someone who’s sole purpose is to disrupt JD Vance anyway possible…

Maybe she could:

  • Follow JD around, constantly whispering that she’s going to grab him by his pussy
  • Send him noose shaped flowers and cakes to decorate his new office
  • Pay Clint Howard to randomly walk by Vance every day & accuse him of ruining his brother’s directing career
  • Leave a conspicuous trail of classified documents behind him
  • Lewdly suggest she would have her relations with her attractive child, on camera
  • Smear fecal matter on his desk & let Pelosi call of his efforts a bowl of poopoo
  • Constantly make contact & remind JD who her father is.

I think Liz Cheney would be awesome at all of these things. As long as we don’t “elect” her, what could go wrong?

fubarx ,

As entertaining as the Cheney vs Vance debate would be, she voted an awful lot to support Trump policies. Guessing she’s happy to wait for the Trump collapse, then offer herself up as a return to a more traditional GOP.

HonkTonkWoman ,

That’s a really intelligent point… much more intelligent than mine…

Guess all this craziness has left me with the heebie-jeebies.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

nothing got sidetracked it just was never dealt with or talked about in a meaningful discussion or in any way in the last fifty years of Biden’s career

just like the minimum wage is not enough to cover the astronomical costs of food and housing and was not even brought up during the debate

yes lets support a prosecutor that represents the police who want their boots shined with our tongues

TrickDacy ,

Propose someone else who can win.

I know there’s a whole chorus of lemmings who cannot fathom uttering anything but criticism, but maybe if you tried you could have an actual idea of your own?

merc ,

Unfortunately we also have:

  • A non-white candidate
  • A non-male candidate
  • A very sexist and racist electorate, who basically voted Trump in because they were so upset by the election of Barack Hussein Obama

It remains to be seen if the racists and sexists will prevail.

Having said that, this might energize women who are on the fence and want to see the first female president. It might energize black voters. It will almost certainly energize Indian voters, possibly even all South-Asian voters. It will definitely energize voters who were worried about the age of the candidates. And now, suddenly, Trump has to go on the defensive about his age.

As long as all the democrats fall in line and push for Kamala, it might go really well. If Hillary Clinton goes out and works for Kamala, it could energize the people who are still angry about her loss, and can now channel that into the new option for a first female president. If Biden campaigns for her, it could reassure all the people who just wanted some stability.

OTOH, if there is infighting, and people trying to take her down so that they can become the nominee, then that could be trouble too.

seejur ,

The racists, as OP mentioned, would have voted for Trump regardless. The Dems need to convince the moderate, undecided voters

merc ,

Not at all. The Nazis would have voted for Trump regardless. But, there are a lot of biased people out there who wouldn’t even think of themselves as racist or sexist, they’ll just “have doubts”.

Unconscious bias is a major issue.

Anybody right now who is undecided is not moderate. The moderates are all already voting against Trump. Anybody undecided is either a very-low-information voter, who mostly gets their news from TikTok or conspiracy forums, or they’re a very right-wing voter who hates the democrats with a passion, but are having trouble getting over their dislike of Trump too.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

I don’t disagree with you, but let’s not forget apathetic voters… people that were just disenchanted with both of the old guys and wouldn’t vote for either.

Surely Kamala will get some traction with women.

merc ,

Definitely, I just wonder how that will compare with the sexist vote (both men and women (but mostly men)).

Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

If they chose to vote, sure. Plenty of them that would have stayed home are now going to be highly motivated.

TheDannysaur ,

How many people, realistically, would vote for a white male Democrat but NOT a non-white female?

People are talking about this, but I don’t know who this voter is. The hard line racists and sexists were not moderates, they’re all already Republican.

There are far more democrats that were against Biden because of his age than would be against Harris as a woman. This is a net gain. Fuck the people who won’t vote for her along gender or racial lines. I don’t want to try and appease them.

Give people something to vote FOR rather than vote against.

GBU_28 ,

There are definitely SOME very center democrats or even centerish republicans who will have reservations about Harris for her categories.

It’s not your job to appease them but it’s important we get their votes.

Personally I think those votes will be safe regardless, as trimp is just that repugnant.

merc ,

How many people, realistically, would vote for a white male Democrat but NOT a non-white female?

Far too many. It doesn’t mean they’re going to admit, even to themselves, that the reason they’re making that choice is that they hate women. But, unconscious bias is a helluva thing.

www.pbs.org/newshour/features/hidden-sexism/

Fuck the people who won’t vote for her along gender or racial lines. I don’t want to try and appease them.

Would you rather appease them and win, or not appease them and lose?

Schmoo ,

Would you rather appease them and win, or not appease them and lose?

Sacrificing your values to win is no true victory.

Here’s the way I see it:

If you’re right and there are too many closet racists/sexists for a black woman to win, and we run her anyway, then we lose. If we don’t run her in order to appease the racists and we “win” we’ve actually still lost because we sacrificed a core value. That sacrifice will haunt the Democrats as the decay that was already happening will accelerate.

It’s the same cowardice that has plagued the Democrats for decades. Choosing appeasement for political convenience over and over, each time removing a section of their spines until there’s none of it left. Do not let fear control you.

sentientity ,

Appeasing them is dangerous. I see this line of thinking a lot, but it has never led the dems to victory and it has repeatedly compromised our own values and degraded trust in the party. We cannot and should not cater to the worst people in the room at the expense of our own morals. It is wrong, but it is also a losing strategy.

GBU_28 ,

I think the massive majority of Biden voters will take any democrat over trump,.and we also have the opportunity to shed some of the “sins” of the Biden admin, in the sense that Harris can say “i saw how it was first hand, but here’s how I’d change it if I were in charge.”

kandoh ,

Both a black guy and a woman have won the popular vote before.

paddirn ,

I would love for Kamala Harris to be more charismatic and less ineffectual than she currently is, I’ll vote for whoever is not Trump. Now is the perfect opportunity to reinvigorate the campaign and turn everything upside down, but I’m not optimistic. They’ll probably trot out Hillary Clinton again if it’s not Harris, and it’ll be a replay of 2016.

dhork ,

The only thing better would have been if Biden had resigned to let people see her in the actual role, but this works.

I used to be an advocate for this, until I realized that in this political environment, whoever President Harris picks for VP would need both House and Senate approval, and this House will take a page from Mitch’s book and simply not bother. So you would have your first female and mixed-race President, in a country full of armed bigots, and if they get to her, Mike Johnson becomes President and can start Project 2025 early.

macarthur_park ,

Fortunately she could just order his assassination, call it an official act (“he was obstructing the confirmation of my vice president”), and get off scot-free.

Yes I realize this would never work because

  1. Harris would never do that, and democrats would never allow it, and
  2. the Supreme Court would immediately rule this is not an official act for “reasons”.
GBU_28 ,

I wonder if there’s political wrangling available for them to just swap lol. Technically each are already confirmed by Congress.

chiliedogg ,

Pro-choice is poison at the General election. It does well as a ballot initiative, but the reality is that very few pro-choice moderates and right-leaning people will change their vote over the issue, whereas pro-lifers are far and away the strongest single-issue voting group.

If Harris and Trump were identical in every way except their stance on abortion, how many Dem voters would flip for Trump in order to vote pro-choice? Would you?

Because millions of people who are otherwise liberal-leaning vote based on their pro-lifer position.

The biggest reason Dems got a Roe boost in 2022 was pro-lifer voters who didn’t feel the need to vote Republican because they’d won and could focus on other issues. But running a campaign based on restoring Roe undoes that bump.

Maggoty ,

That’s not what the data tells us. If that was the case the abortion referendums would have failed while Democrats got a push. But they didn’t. They consistently succeeded in even the reddest areas. Abortion protections gets people out to vote.

chiliedogg ,

Abortion refferendums are easy.

A pro-choice gun nut won’t vote Democrat because he cares more about guns than the right to choose. But when you put it as a ballot initiative he doesn’t have to weigh it against anything else.

The thing about single-issue voters is that they can swing elections even though they’re a minority. The GOP has survived for decades by embracing the pro-life and pro-gun voters. These are massive groups with voters on one side who will base the entirety of their vote on the issue, while the other side of the debate doesn’t.

Maggoty ,

The GOP has survived for decades because we vote for land, not people. They consistently hold majorities in government with a minority of the population.

fubarx ,

2022 should have been a red wave, but wasn’t. There are proposals to make draconian anti-abortion laws national and override state protections.

I wouldn’t underestimate its power to reengage voters, especially the youth vote.

Draedron ,

Now you have someone who has not been seen since she was elected VP with no time at all to prepare her for a presedential run. You will get Trump again because the dems are so fucking stupid and stabbed Biden in the back this late.

Maggoty ,

You think she hasn’t been preparing for 2028?

Draedron ,

She hasnt been doing anything since becoming VP. Biden could have had a sack of rice as VP and the result would be the same.

Maggoty ,

That’s how most VPs act.

Draedron ,

Biden and Pence still had public showing and were talked about sometimes. Harris was completely invisible. And most dont randomly jump in less than 4 month before the election.

Maggoty ,

Oh if you want to talk about minimal appearances, Harris absolutely did that. It’s not our fault if you didn’t pay attention. This is from less than a minute of searching google with the date range set to exclude election coverage.

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Link 4

Link 5

Oni_eyes ,

Wasn’t there at least one major news cycle shitting on Harris for going to foreign countries to address migrants and telling them we can’t handle the amount coming in right now? Pretty sure that was super visible… Unless we’re in double standards world now and you’re just talking out of your ass.

danny801 ,
@danny801@lemmy.world avatar

Everyone needs to join a church before the Nazi MAGA army starts hunting atheists

morphballganon ,

You can’t identify an atheist on sight like you can a minority

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

tell that to the gestapo when they come knocking

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

a lot did

they joined either the Blue Church or the Red Church

MutilationWave ,

Churches have too many windows to be defended with small arms.

sentientity ,

If they’re hunting atheists, then they will also be hunting all non-christian religious folks as well as ‘heretical’ christians and everyone who is not white, cis and straight. There are….waymore of us than there are of them. We can be smart and protect each other.

HawlSera ,

Good

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Dems now have a non-zero chance of winning 2024.

stoly ,

This is my take as well.

capital ,

Waiting for the “you’re gonna vote for a cop?” comments on Lemmy in regards to Harris.

MutilationWave ,

They’re already here. I hate the fucking cops but damn right I’ll vote for one over fascism.

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s gooooo! Harris/AOC, maybe? That would be wild

HomerianSymphony ,

No chance. Maybe Harris/Kelly.

MutilationWave ,

They’ll never run two women. It’s too risky. Don’t get me wrong I’d love it.

BeigeAgenda ,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Harris - Ocasio-Cortez 2024 let’s gooo

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