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Franconian_Nomad ,

Spoiler: He‘s gay.

ThePantser ,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Unless he’s a fascist republiQan.

Mouselemming ,

That’s the part that’s wrong, not the gay part.

Um,that Q was for QAnon, not Queer, right? Or are you trying to say being queer somehow makes a fascist republican even worse?

homesweethomeMrL ,

Hahaha - no, its for Qanon.

Words is funny sometimes.

MediumGray ,
@MediumGray@lemmy.ca avatar

Let’s not jump to conclusions… he could be Bi.

some_guy ,

Can we convince him again so he’ll target himself?

zcd ,

Which is totally fine right? Unless he belongs to some sort of extremist group that base their identity around intolerance, racism and homophobia… but that’s just crazy talk! This guy could be the new VP!

bolexforsoup ,

No it’s not fine because he is insinuating that it is a choice that can be logic’d into and out of

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I mean, for some people, it is. When you’re exploring your identity, you don’t always get it right on your first try. Just like there are people who are convinced they’re straight that are actually gay (or bi, or pan, or what have you). Though that is far more common, largely because of the societal pressures to conform to heteronormativity.

But then, perhaps that truly is Vance’s case here. Maybe he actually is gay, and his whole… everything is just him trying desperately to convince himself otherwise.

bolexforsoup ,

Being gay is not a choice.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m aware of this, but again, people don’t always figure themselves out the first time. We are messy beasts.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Right, but the reason he’s saying this at all is to try and make the claim that it is a choice, and that he simply changed his choice. Not that he found his real self without societal pressure.

bolexforsoup ,

OK but that is not the same thing as making a choice to be gay. That is the entire point. What he said insinuates that it is a choice.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t doubt the facts of the story, even if I doubt the conclusion he reached.

LEDZeppelin ,

Explains the eyeliner

Bremmy ,

Yes!

Zombiepirate ,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

When he brought up the issue with his grandmother — known to Vance as “Mamaw” — she replied bluntly: “Don’t be a fucking idiot, how would you know that you’re gay?”

When Vance explained his reasoning, she laughed.

“JD, do you want to suck dicks?” she said, according to the book.

So… 8 year old JD Vance instead wanted to eat pussy?

gAlienLifeform ,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

Also, if eight year old Vance brought this up with his public school teacher and they gave him the same kind of response (minus the “suck dicks” and “fucking idiot” parts), conservatives would absolutely lose their shit over “grooming”

justsomeguy ,

It was when his (step)Mamaw got stuck in the washer that he truly learned he wasn’t gay.

Mammothmothman ,

I almost did a spit take with my coffee reading this. Wow.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Considering not all straight women want to suck dicks, I don’t think the desire to suck dick is a good determinant of whether you’re gay or not anyway.

casmael ,

…… it’s almost as if there are subtle nuances to human sexuality that can’t easily be defined by how you enjoy your dick ….

Delusional ,

Don’t ever expect people who’ve been brainwashed to notice subtle nuances. Most of them don’t even know their candidate is a conman and a rapist.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Especially when you can be both gay and asexual.

casmael ,

Cool can you combine those into gaysexual

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, the type of person you’re attracted to and what you want to do with that type of person are two different things.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

Shit, I’m bi, and I don’t really like the idea of giving oral to any gender. The thought of body fluids in my mouth kinda grosses me out, unfortunately. Makes me happy that people love it, though. The world would be a better place if everyone got to experience their ass getting eaten voraciously. It really is an amazing experience.

nandeEbisu ,

Considering his grandma followed it up with

“And even if you did want to suck dicks, that would be okay,” she replied. “God would still love you.”

He clearly didn’t get homophobia from her.

tlou3please ,

Also, was this his grandmother saying that she knows that SHE’S straight because she wants to suck dick?

Burn_The_Right ,

TIL J.D. Vance’s mamaw likes to suck dicks.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

He just wasn’t repressing hard enough.

Reverendender ,

What part of the boot does one pull on to increase repression?

TSG_Asmodeus ,
@TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

That’s when you lick the boot.

HubertManne ,

https://www.theonion.com/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-1819583529

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

My first thought too.

YurkshireLad ,

It’ll be game over for him if he starts to vogue while on stage with Trump.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Grindr has a chance to do something very, very funny

LostWanderer ,

Eh?? The unenlightened bigots are still going on about how being gay is a choice? That somehow choosing to be miserable and conform to a heteronormative would make the gay go away?! Only to later either break free of the brainwashing which led to conforming to an obvious lie of being straight or simply taking a one way trip out of this world. Stupid, fascist Republicans don’t have much to offer but ruin and one big white world, drained of all its color. Hopefully, this November, we trounce these entitled fascists.

In my own personal experience as a child, I simply knew that I was different. I didn’t realize until the hormones activated how different I was! Then again, I was able to reflect on that with something called ‘reading about the experiences of others and trying to find points in common’. JD Vance likely had nothing but bigoted talking points screamed into his ears and he gave in.

pyre ,

i still don’t get why any argument on either side is revolving around whether it’s a choice or not. like, ok, discriminating based on immutable qualities is obviously bad and that’s why people are making that point but the end result is this here: people just deny it’s immutable.

the actual argument in my opinion is even if it were a choice so fucking what? just because something is a choice doesn’t make it suddenly ok to take rights away from people who have that choice. otherwise i would have some fantastic ideas about what should be done with republicans; it is a choice to be republican after all.

LostWanderer ,

Yeah, at the end of the day, I strongly feel being certain things is simply an immutable part of being a person. Nobody chooses to be straight, gay, bi, pan, or anything else related to attraction. There is a choice to ignore or act upon those feelings, often people are put in terrible situations as a result.

I do agree with your argument though, as human rights so remain intact regardless of choice or no choice! We all live in a world we can’t yet escape and need some semblance of social contract to survive. I have a lot of fun ideas for what to do with Republicans as well; as it is a choice they’ve made to be bigoted, shortsighted fascists. Compulsory Drag Show attendance, they’re invited to a Library bit; they are going to get read to filth and hate every moment of self-awareness which will be inflicted upon them. Silly, but that’s the tip of the iceberg!

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Because the conservative logic is to punish for being different. They need to assign personal responsibility for someone else having sex and you being born the way you are

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

My problem with the core of the argument is that it wouldn’t matter if it were a choice or not. I honestly can’t find men attractive as a straight man so if someone else tells me homosexuality is a choice, I just assume they’re actively making that choice one way or another.

EatATaco ,

I’m a pretty good looking guy, and not being afraid of gay people, with plenty of exposure, I’ve had a few come on to me. I’ve even had one tell me he knows I’m straight and that the only thing he wants is to suck my dick and he would make it fantastic. I figure that with having the hardware and practice, they probably know a good deal about physically pleasing a man, so I’ve seriously considered it.

But like you, I can’t get over the fact that I am just not attracted to men. Even when very drunk. Literally struck out with multiple women rather than taking a sure blowjob.

If anyone would have made that choice, being a horny and open man desperate for a blowjob with opportunity, I’d be a prime candidate. And I couldn’t even choose to be bi.

peopleproblems ,

So I get it, but that adds further fuel to my idea that Trump is using him to throw him under the bus.

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

I think he’s probably trolling in some way? Or maybe this is exactly what some conservatives want to hear, so that’s why he’s saying it. He seems to have learned exactly what to say to make people like him.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

This is the same guy who hopes everyone has forgotten that he called Trump “America’s Hitler,” so he could just be extremely stupid.

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think he’s stupid. Some people who grow up poor develop a talent for knowing how to ingratiate themselves to others. His changing opinion simply means that the target he wants to charm has changed.

evidences ,

I don’t think he’s stupid…

More to this he graduated undergrad summa cum laude and got his law degree from Yale. I think this dude is actually smart and that concerns me.

jdaxe ,

He probably says this to lend credibility to the idea that homosexuality is something that can be “cured” or “outgrown”

OldWoodFrame ,

It was part of his memoir written at the age of 22. He was trying to sound cool and clever and add color to his grandmother’s character because she asked a 6 year old if he wanted to suck dicks. I wouldn’t think too hard about it.

art ,
@art@lemmy.world avatar

Should we tell him? I think we should tell him.

blarth ,

Every straight person I’ve talked to says they knew they were straight very early on. This goes for me as well. There was a brief moment in my teen years where I asked myself if I might be gay. It lasted about two seconds. The result was negative. There was no way I was going to be gay.

If this dude “convinced” himself he was gay, well, I think he might just be at least bi.

rabber ,

I thought I was gay when I was like 13 or 14 and then never thought of it again, the thought just went away

I still have long hair since that time but have a wife of 10 years ha

Wilzax ,

A lot of bi people just decide to only live as straight since they would rather not deal with the social stigmas of any degree of homosexuality

011000010111001101110011 ,

Yup. I’m bi, but I always knew that I wanted kids and a family so my “choice” was obvious. I also saw my class mates mercilessly bully an openly gay kid, so I simply chose not to go through that myself and never told anyone how I felt.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Every straight person I’ve talked to says they knew they were straight very early on.

Idk, man. There are definitely people I know with a very clear gender identity from an early age. But their were plenty more that weren’t so cemented at one pole or the other of the Kinsey Scale.

If this dude “convinced” himself he was gay, well, I think he might just be at least bi.

The problem is fundamentally of definition. Are you simply Bisexual or are you Deluded By Satan Into Having Impure Thoughts?

The answer is entirely rooted in your morality. If you’re convinced homosexuality is evil, then of course you’re going to feel like any non-straight impulse must be a sin.

Squirrel ,
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If sexuality is a spectrum, he’s definitely not firmly on the hetero end.

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