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afraid_of_zombies ,

An assassination attempt presumes the goal was to kill the candidate

floofloof OP ,

Yes, but I’m not sure what you’re suggesting. If it’s that this was a deliberate miss (maybe to give Trump a boost) it seems implausible that anyone would plan to shoot from some distance, aiming so close to the candidate that the bullet clips his ear, but not killing him. If the aim were to miss deliberately then shooting that close to his head would risk the plan backfiring completely.

afraid_of_zombies ,

How did you determine his ear was hit by a bullet?

floofloof OP ,

I’m naively taking the reports at face value.

afraid_of_zombies ,

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    floofloof OP ,

    Yeah, it does seem a little unlikely that the bullet would clip the tip of his ear but he’d be fine. If the teleprompter was smashed that seems plausible.

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    FluffyPotato ,

    After seeing the photoshoot Trump got from this I hope Europe can pull our collective shit together once Trump pulls the US out of NATO and stops helping Ukraine.

    PsychedSy ,

    The US is NATO. They just use you to stage airplanes somewhere your family will die instead of mine.

    FluffyPotato ,

    Nah, the US is the largest part of NATO but every member contributes and it’s more like the only reason Russia hasn’t done a “special military operation” here.

    PsychedSy ,

    The US military is bigger than every other military combined, unless things have changed in the last few years.

    We build bases and share planes and tech, they let us and save on defense. Our defense strategies involve using NATO bases to fuck up opposing belligerents.

    FluffyPotato ,

    Not really, NATO as an organizational is made of of the military and equipment of all members. Also NATO and US bases are different, if the US pulls out it’s not taking NATO bases with it. Also I’m pretty sure the US doesn’t use NATO bases for its military operations but their own bases but I’m too lazy to look that up. Also also NATO countries defence strategy has been more like “If you attack one member you attack everyone” so no one really has.

    PsychedSy ,

    If you attack a NATO member, the largest military in the world responds. The US has multiple of the largest air forces if you count our military services separately. I would assume Trump pulling us from NATO would affect our forward bases, but we may do better than brexit I guess. I just don’t see it as likely. But, my point is that our independent and joint military ventures frees up nations with smaller GDPs to focus less on their own defense (even if they contribute more as a percentage) and it’s a situation the US military likes.

    FluffyPotato ,

    I’m not so sure it would. Like, yea, the US has enough military to take on like the other top 5 militaries in the world and win but NATO doesn’t really need that. It’s mostly about defence and the only country currently invading countries in Europe is Russia which can’t seem to beat Ukraine alone. The biggest issue if the US pulls out is supporting Ukraine but defensively NATO is fine without the US I think.

    HK65 ,

    NATO has nuclear second strike capabilities globally even without the US and that’s enough against overt military threats.

    We need to get better at this hybrid war bullshit bc that’s exactly what the US is falling to right now.

    ekZepp ,
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    slimarev92 ,

    WashPo reports the shooter was a registered Republican…

    khannie ,
    @khannie@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah that’s weird but CNN reporting this too:

    Federal Election Commission records show that a donor listed as Thomas Crooks with the same address gave $15 to a Democratic-aligned political action committee called the Progressive Turnout Project in January 2021.

    BombOmOm ,
    @BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

    PA has closed primaries. If you live in a red district, you register R so you can vote in the only primary that matters. Then in the general you vote for the candidate you actually want.

    slimarev92 ,

    He was 20 years old. My money is on hum being a social outcast and a forchan weirdo. Doesn’t necessarily align with the left/right wing spectrum.

    Etterra ,

    I hate that this photo is everywhere. It makes him look triumphant and heroic, or at least it does to his supporters. I’d rather see him cowering and crying on the ground like a punk.

    ValorieAF ,

    He was saying “wait wait wait” as SS were trying to escort him off the stage, so he could pose and pump his fist. He knew what he was doing here

    anon_8675309 ,

    The USSS was even ducking below him so he could be up high. All the way to his vehicle. WTF!?

    floofloof OP ,

    This is the same service whose car Mike Pence wouldn’t enter on Jan 6th because he suspected they were Trump loyalists.

    fxt_ryknow ,

    Pretty sure each time he says “Wait”… He asks for his shoes.

    ValorieAF ,

    There is a clip with audio where he says “wait wait wait” in quick succession and turns around to pose. I do know he was asking about his shoes but I think that’s separate from what I’m saying

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    otp ,

    at least it does to his supporters.

    Yeah, I’m just seeing “Old man yells at cloud” with a hint of Mr. Garrison as Trump, lol

    Zaktor ,

    Weird how a guy whose administration directly and indirectly killed a lot of people, plans to up his body count in a second term, who’s committed multiple crimes, including insurrection and espionage, but seems both unlikely to ever see justice and furthermore appears to be likely to be elected back into office would prompt an assassination attempt. It’s the small scale of “those who make peaceful revolution impossible” quote. Have a functioning justice system where you can just trust that people who do crimes will be put in prison and a functioning political system where you can just trust that the absolute worst people won’t get all the power, and assassinations become the province of the insane rather than an entirely unsurprising outcome.

    tate ,

    Title: “AP sources”

    link: “something else - not AP.”

    me: “why?”

    SeaJ ,

    I guess I am not sure what else it would be considered…

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    False flag operation is another term to consider

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    meowoem ,

    It’s almost like it was staged.

    Nobody ,

    I don’t follow the news for one day, and apparently Richard Simmons took a shot at Trump. Or was it Dr. Ruth?

    meowoem ,

    Dr. Ruth was a trained sniper. No joke.

    tal ,
    @tal@lemmy.today avatar

    TIL

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Westheimer

    Westheimer joined the Haganah Jewish Zionist underground paramilitary organization (later, the Israel Defense Forces) in Jerusalem.[26][27][25][28] Because of her diminutive height of 4 feet 7 inches (140 cm), she was trained as a scout and sniper.[24][28][29] Of this experience, she said, “I never killed anybody, but I know how to throw hand grenades and shoot.”[30] She became an ace sniper, and learned to assemble a rifle in the dark.[24][14] When she was 90 years old, she demonstrated that she was still able to put together a Sten gun with her eyes closed.[31]

    bamboo ,

    A sniper for terrorists, specifically

    meowoem ,

    Well, I think at the time the people involved felt differently. But, she left, so maybe she did feel like that.

    AbidanYre ,

    Bold move, criticizing someone whose parents were killed by Nazis.

    maxenmajs ,
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    This is pretty bad. There are reports that a bystander was killed. It’s gross to call the shooter a hero.

    thesporkeffect ,

    I have seen zero people saying that

    E: Never mind I see it.

    meowoem ,

    It’s not gross.

    otp ,

    I’d be pleased if Trump never existed. It’s still gross to call the shooter a hero.

    Omegamanthethird ,
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    I’m not advocating for it. But Trump has, repeatedly. Again and again. I have no fucks to give and I do not find it gross. He advocated for Hillary to be assassinated, wanted to shoot protesters, and still considers Ashli Babbitt a hero.

    I don’t find it gross when people want pedophiles to get the death penalty, even if I disagree with the government having that sort of power. I’m not going to condemn people who are happy with the shooter, even though I don’t support the actions.

    otp ,

    We don’t know why the shooter tried to shoot Trump. We also know that this will role up his base. And the shooter failed at what he was trying to do.

    That doesn’t sound like a hero.

    Dude was probably messed up in the head. If we call this attempted assassin a hero, that might inspire copycat crimes of people trying to shoot public figures they disagree with. I know there’s that second amendment and all, but is that really how you want the country to function?

    Omegamanthethird ,
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    I already said I don’t support the action. And that’s exactly why. But I’m not going to dismiss people’s feelings on the matter.

    In the same way I don’t support the death penalty. But I’m not going to deny that people feel catharsis when a pedophile or a murderer is executed.

    praise_idleness ,

    Then you are no different fron Jan 6 nuts

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    Why would they be a hero? They helped trump.

    slimarev92 ,

    Who called them a hero?

    foggy ,

    Yeah, they missed…

    anon_8675309 ,

    Nobody in their right mind wants this. It only helps Trump.

    Fredselfish ,
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    He wasted his life and didn’t even succeed in his goal, or did he? I know sounds nuts but by the looks this attempt on Trump life has helped him. Look at that goddamm photo op. Bullshit.

    hopesdead ,
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    Will this get the GOP to finally support gun bans?

    catloaf ,

    Nope. Remember when someone shot up a congressional softball game and nothing happened?

    something_random_tho ,

    Remember when Jan 6 nutters stormed the Capitol with guns and zip ties and nothing happened to the person inciting all of it?

    Makhno ,

    What people had guns on Capitol grounds? Only guns I know of were the ones found a good distance away…

    III ,

    There were absolutely guns.

    www.statesman.com/story/news/…/7621149001/

    They did also find a stockpile of guns a distance away. Both are true.

    Dudewitbow ,

    Many GOP events already ban guns at the events, they just dont ban it outside them

    floofloof OP ,

    No, it will get them to support preemptively shooting those in the out-group.

    PepperoniNipple ,

    We need more patriotic heroes like the shooter. Corrupt politicians would be afraid of society and the consequences of being evil and doing a bad job, as it should be

    dvoraqs ,

    I’m not ready to encourage this because anybody can get pissed off for any reason. There is very little that a politician does that makes everybody happy.

    morphballganon ,

    Forget about pleasing everybody. How about having policies that please >50% of people? With no gerrymandering or electoral college

    TallonMetroid ,
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    I’m still not convinced this was a genuine attempt on his life and not a false flag op by crisis actors. Because that’s exactly the sort of nonsense I expect from fascist ilk.

    tal , (edited )
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    Trump took a bullet to the ear. He was a fraction of an inch away from the thing doing his skull. Nobody is going to intentionally have someone shoot their ear.

    Ioughttamow ,

    The special circumstances wing of the heritage foundation needed him to be a hero. His survival is a secondary concern

    TunaCowboy ,

    Not arguing for or against, but TMZ has reported that he was struck by glass from the teleprompter and not directly shot/grazed: tmz.com/…/donald-trump-appear-shot-pennsylvania-r…

    tal ,
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    Hmm.

    4:21 PM PT – A SOURCE WHO HAS SPOKEN WITH A MEMBER OF THE SECRET SERVICE TELL TMZ, TRUMP WAS NOT HIT BY A BULLET. RATHER, A BULLET HIT HIS TELEPROMPTER AND THE GLASS STRUCK HIM BY THE EAR.

    kagis

    According to CBS, Trump apparently posted that his ear was hit by a bullet, but I suppose that he might also not have known what hit him:

    cbsnews.com/…/trump-says-shots-pierced-injured-ea…

    The presumptive Republican nominee said he heard “a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin.” It’s not yet clear whether Trump was hit by a bullet or shrapnel, but blood was strewn across his ear and face as Secret Service agents ushered him offstage.

    “I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania,” Trump wrote on his social media platform, Truth Social. “Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

    Back when Reagan was shot, he didn’t even think that he’d been shot, was ticked off at the Secret Service guy who threw him into the car, thought that the guy had broken one of his ribs.

    EDIT: Though Teddy Roosevelt knew:

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Attempted_assassination_of_The…

    Schrank did shoot Roosevelt, but the bullet lodged in Roosevelt’s chest only after hitting both his steel eyeglass case and a 50-page copy of his speech titled “Progressive Cause Greater Than Any Individual”, which he was carrying in his jacket pocket. As onlookers gasped and screamed, Elbert E. Martin, one of Roosevelt’s secretaries and an ex-football player, was the first to react, leaping at Schrank, wrestling him to the ground and seizing his gun.[8] A. O. Girard, a former Rough Rider and bodyguard of the ex-president, and several policemen were upon Schrank at the same moment. Roosevelt stumbled, but straightened himself, and again raised his hat, with a reassuring smile upon his face. His aide, Harry Cochems, asked Roosevelt if he was hit, and Roosevelt simply said assuredly, “He pinked me, Harry.”[9]

    Roosevelt, as an experienced hunter and anatomist, correctly concluded that since he was not coughing blood, the bullet had not reached his lung, and he declined suggestions to go to the hospital immediately. Instead, he delivered his scheduled speech with blood seeping into his shirt.[11][12] He spoke for 50 minutes before completing his speech and accepting medical attention. His opening comments to the gathered crowd were, “Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot, but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose.”[13][14][15]

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    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Trump took a bullet to the ear.

    He did?

    Aurenkin ,

    Ok, a good chunk of people think Biden is corrupt so by your logic they should shoot him too? I hope I don’t have to spell out where this leads and why it’s a terrible idea.

    morphballganon ,

    You’re aware that Turnip is a literal terrorist, yes?

    Aurenkin ,

    Yes which is why I think he should be prosecuted for his crimes. If we go down the road of extra judicially killing anyone who you think is a terrorist then what kind of society do you think that will lead to?

    morphballganon ,

    What kind of a road do you think we’re on right now?

    Imagine no more assassination attempts.

    Trump wins.

    Project 2025 is enacted.

    Jews, Hispanics and LGBTQs are rounded up and thrown in concentration camps.

    The signs are there. Are you going to still be sitting on a high horse right up until the moment it happens? What then, you turn around and stave off the fourth Reich with whoever’s left?

    Will you be happy then?

    Aurenkin ,

    It’s not even about the moral issue, although I think murdering your political opponents is wrong. Just think it through practically. Killing Trump doesn’t stop project 2025. There’s going to be quite a few names on that list if you want to solve this situation through violence.

    You have a process to prevent this from happening right now, the same one that prevented it last time. Ironically this attempt will likely just make things worse assuming there is no retaliatory violence from the other side.

    The whole situation is super fucked up either way. I wish you all the best for your country, it seems like it’s going to be pretty bad for a while at least.

    morphballganon ,

    Thank you for giving your response some thought.

    cAUzapNEAGLb ,

    I think he should be prosecuted for his crimes too, but look around, that’s not what’s happening.

    If the government cannot provide justice, the people will in their own ways.

    I fear the path we’re on as a nation and world, and i don’t see an offramp currently. I cope by preparing for instability, not by denying the current situation. We live in interesting times.

    Omegamanthethird ,
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    I’m not advocating for it specifically because of what you laid out.

    But I assume they would want people to act on evidence, whether that’s in a courtroom or vigilante justice. So their logic would say, no they shouldn’t. But yes, that’s what it would lead to.

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