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Lawyers for megachurch pastor blame 12-year-old for ‘initiating’ sexual contact

Lawyers for Donald Trump’s former faith advisor Robert Morris accused a 12-year-old girl of initiating “inappropriate” sexual conduct with the ex-Dallas megachurch pastor, new documents have revealed.

Morris resigned in June after admitting to the incident. His accuser Cindy Clemishire previously claimed that the pastor had begun abusing her on Christmas Day in 1982.

Clemishire, now 52, said that Morris and his wife had been staying at her family home at the time when he asked her to come into his room, whereafter he told her to lay on his bed and then began touching her inappropriately.

She said the abuse had continued until 1987 when she told her parents.

However, 25 years after the incident, a lawyer for Morris – J Shelby Sharpe – claimed that it was the child who was actually to blame.

HubertManne ,

oh man. this is so hilariously close to an onion article from way back. https://www.theonion.com/pope-forgives-molested-children-1819566450

n3m37h ,

Shows you the everyone in Trumps circle are all terrible. Shit attracts flies

a_wild_mimic_appears ,

Damn, that 12 year old girl must’ve been a commie too, raised on those russian cold war era steroids!

assassin_aragorn ,

This is the best the lawyers could come up with? He very clearly scraped the bottom of the barrel when looking for legal representation

fukurthumz420 ,

religion strikes again. it’s almost like the world would be a better place without it.

before you come with the ‘shitty people can be anywhere’, ask yourself would this person have been emboldened to act on their sociopathic desires without having religion to hide behind?

Freefall ,

Perfect reason to keep the death penalty.

Snapz ,

So just “megachurch pastor” headline? No other descriptors you’d like to add?

jaemo ,

My word, but Christians are truly among the very worst examples of humanity. No wonder churchgoing is plummeting, even the lack of civility in modern society can’t pave over the abject awfulness of this cult.

Back to the stone age, where you belong, sky wizard cultists!

fukurthumz420 ,

keep it going until all the abrahamic religions are considered a cult by most of the sane world.

RagingHungryPanda ,

In case anyone is not sure, this behavior is completely normal in the Christian circles. The number of times I heard people, preachers, or whoever blame the victim for causing the man of god to stumble is far more than you would want to know, and was every time.

One thing to understand about many Christian groups is that they elevate their preachers to a very high standing and believe that they are “so close to the Lord” that they just don’t do bad things. So, in order to preserve this cognitive dissonance, it’s the child that tempted them to sin.

fukurthumz420 ,

atheists need to be more vocal

Iheartcheese ,
@Iheartcheese@lemmy.world avatar

Atheists are extremely vocal.

fukurthumz420 ,

we still live in a world where religion spoils secular life, so we’re apparently not vocal enough.

ToucheGoodSir ,

Reminds me of that story of a father that murdered his daughters rapist in a small town and the whole town was like “I DIDN’T SEE NUFFIN” and I believe the father did not end up going to prison for it. Is a BIG, fuck around find out situation for pieces of human garbage like this. Don’t think these boomer pedos/other idiots realize what quantum computing and all of the data centers across the world storing citizens data for decades means for THEM… Just requires some inspired algorithms and a police force that is willing to uh, NOT protect the baddies and do their jobs as detectives vs arresting brown people for drugz :|

assassin_aragorn ,

A conviction requires a jury of your peers to deem you guilty – if your peers don’t think you’ve broken the law by killing a child rapist, then you aren’t guilty.

ToucheGoodSir ,

I didn’t read the details too much. Having things happen in a court of law is important, however, if you look at say… a country like Ukraine. Their form of democracy is a bit different in this regard. Which has its ups and downs, as most societal structures do. For example, the Scandinavian model is one that is dependent on a homogeneous population. The ancient Greeks in Athens discussed this. Here is the relevant link:

cambridge.org/…/89DC52A92EC1EBA25FF2331977D4A087

undergroundoverground ,

“I put it to you, your honour, that that child is sexy.”

Freefall ,

Pro-tip: if a child comes on to you…fucking DONT!

GiddyGap ,

Yikes, it’s a long ways down from that high horse.

barsquid ,

Even assuming this isn’t a fucking lie,

It is still just as much of a crime to sex assault a child even if the child initiates the inappropriate contact. Stop them and get them some mental help.

Is that at all a controversial opinion? I guess among Trumpanzees there are plenty who condone sex assaulting children (or adults) as long as the perpetrator is part of the in-group.

assassin_aragorn ,

The normal thing to do when a preteen or teenager asks you to have sexual relations with them is to say “absolutely fucking not”.

The whole point of the age of consent is that below a certain age teenagers and children don’t understand what they’re agreeing to or asking for.

This is the stupidest possible legal defense they could make.

lone_faerie ,

There’s a reason molestation insurance for churches is such a big industry

FrowingFostek ,

The idea hadn’t even crossed my mind that this was a real thing. I had to search it up because, my brain couldn’t compute. Boom, 5 links talking about “SAMs”.

RIPandTERROR ,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

There’s no way…

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Here are a few examples of insurance companies that offer molestation insurance, specifically tailored for churches and religious organizations:

  1. Church Mutual Insurance Company: This company provides a range of insurance products for religious organizations, including sexual misconduct liability insurance. They offer coverage for legal defense costs, settlements, and other expenses related to allegations of sexual abuse or molestation.
  2. GuideOne Insurance: GuideOne specializes in insurance for churches and nonprofit organizations. They offer sexual misconduct liability coverage as part of their comprehensive church insurance packages, helping protect against claims of sexual abuse.
  3. Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Company: Brotherhood Mutual offers insurance products designed for churches and ministries, including coverage for sexual misconduct liability. Their policies can help cover legal expenses, settlements, and other costs associated with sexual abuse allegations.
  4. Philadelphia Insurance Companies: Philadelphia Insurance Companies provides specialized insurance solutions for religious organizations, including coverage for sexual misconduct and molestation. They offer policies that cover legal defense, settlements, and related costs.
  5. ChurchWest Insurance Services: ChurchWest provides insurance solutions for churches and religious institutions, including sexual misconduct liability insurance. Their policies are designed to protect organizations from the financial and reputational damage that can result from such claims.

These companies offer tailored policies that address the unique risks faced by religious organizations, providing financial protection and support in the event of allegations of sexual misconduct. It’s important for churches to work with an experienced insurance broker or agent to ensure they have the appropriate coverage in place.

What in the unholy fuck.

Freefall ,

I’m sorry…fucking WHAT‽

RIPandTERROR ,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’ve spent a lot of today thinking about this.

How do you stay in any system that relies on this type of insurance to operate?

I could never be a part of a church doing this, Even if I was religious.

Do people just not know? Would it matter?

How is this a thing???

assassin_aragorn ,

What the actual fuck

How do any of these people live with themselves?

andros_rex ,

Boy Scouts had this problem and implemented the “Rule of 2” - never leave a single adult alone with an unrelated kid, need to have at least two. But nope, let’s stick the twenty something youth pastor in a room alone with teenage girls… guess the insurance payout is if the parents don’t force the girl to marry the rapist…

assassin_aragorn ,

An old coworker of mine at an old job was involved in Scouts as a den leader or whatever it’s called, and he was telling us about the Rule of 2. The organization apparently took it really fucking seriously when there was a child sexual abuse case with a den leader. Rule of 2, mandatory training on recognizing and reporting abuse. They basically went full Title 9.

On a lighter note, this was also around the time Boy Scouts rebranded into Scouts and started letting girls join. My coworker said the one girl in his group excelled over everyone else and was quite skilled at everything. The organization made a great decision in making the group coed.

Corvidae ,

Can’t buy alcohol. Can’t buy cigarettes. Can’t be employed in most jobs. Can’t get a drivers license. But can initiate sex with an adult?

feedum_sneedson ,

They can certainly attempt to, particularly if they’ve previously been abused by a caregiver. It’s totally something you’re trained to deal with if you work with vulnerable children, as it’s a major indicator of this. Teenagers are a bit different as they are exploring their sexuality and may incorporate this into disruptive behaviour if they notice it gets a reaction. Neither of these situations would serve as a legal defence, however, were you to start joining in. A colleague had a fourteen-year-old girl in a hitched-up skirt come and sit on his lap and pout because he told her off in class. He just stared at the wall until she got off, then went and reported it.

andros_rex ,

Yeah - if you are a teacher you ALWAYS leave the door cracked open, never alone with a kid.

Those kinds of kids almost always have genuinely experienced sexual abuse elsewhere. I’m working with a child who does exhibit that kind of behavior - propositioning adults/other teens and then claiming assault when rejected. The thing with kids and false allegations is that they are usually wildly inconsistent - as long as organizational safeguards are in place, it’s usually easy to verify that the claimed event didn’t happen. It is a STRONG indicator for previous experiences of abuse though.

This case is not at all consistent with what false allegations look like.

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