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Boeing forced to scrub first crewed Starliner launch to the space station

The launch attempt was called off roughly two hours ahead of the planned liftoff.

NASA and Boeing were forced to stand down from an attempted launch to the International Space Station on Monday because of a last-minute issue that cropped up with a valve on the spacecraft’s rocket.

Boeing’s Starliner capsule had been scheduled to lift off at 10:34 p.m. ET from Florida’s Cape Canaveral Space Force Station on its first crewed test flight. NASA astronauts Barry “Butch” Wilmore and Sunita Williams were on board the capsule and strapped into their seats when the launch attempt was called off, roughly two hours ahead of the planned liftoff.

A new launch date has not yet been announced.

Mission controllers declared a launch “scrub” after an anomaly was detected on an oxygen valve on United Launch Alliance’s Atlas V rocket, which the Starliner capsule was to ride into orbit.

mr_robot2938 ,

As much as I’d love to pile on Boeing, the article states the launch was scrubbed due to an issue with ULA’s rocket not the Boeing capsule payload.

asmoranomar ,

And even if it was, it would be the right move. The last thing we want is to stop risk management because there’s only 2 hours left and the door hasn’t fallen off so far.

derf82 ,

ULA is a joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed, however.

But, again, Boeing spacecraft is a very separate division than commercial aircraft.

werefreeatlast ,

Hopefully they don’t forget to report when Max Q happens… It’s very important to explain what it is. SECO and MECO and the number 7 are also getting up there in importance for space flight.

Emerald ,

Yeah they always explain max q lol. I’ve noticed that

werefreeatlast ,

Yes Bob, indeed, for those of you watching at home, Max Q is the name of the guy sitting at the top of the rocket holding the antenna trying to guide the…no wait, it’s when the vehicle is going through the maximum aerodynamic pressure state. That’s right! It’s Rick, Rick Peterman holding up the antenna this morning. Back to you guys in the studio!

jpreston2005 ,

The Kennedy Space Center has this flight reset for 10May2024, this Friday! Can’t imagine how the astronauts feel, having the mission scrubbed whilst all strapped in, told to go home and maybe they’ll shoot you into space in the next few days 😅

Emerald ,

That is a NET (no earlier then) time, not a guarenteed date.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Knowing what happened to the Challenger after they had an oxygen valve problem, I imagine some degree of relief.

ShepherdPie ,

Only to go home and see news articles about Boeing whistleblowers dying.

Burn_The_Right ,

That damned door wouldn’t stay shut. They might need to put a cinder block against it or something.

RizzRustbolt ,

Or wedge it closed with an inanimate carbon rod.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f798986c-5236-472f-bfc5-579628d354dc.jpeg

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been saying this for years now. Boeing is going to kill NASA astronauts if they are allowed to get their way.

ghostblackout ,

It wasn’t the space craft it was a valve on the centaur upper stage (second stage)

toast ,

Exactly. It was a fault on the rocket, which was manufactured by ULA, a joint venture between Lockheed and Boeing…oh, crap

ghostblackout ,

ULA makes that atlas v rocket by themselves boeing just bought a atlas v

toast ,

But Boeing owns 50% of ULA. Buying from ULA is just buying from Boeing with extra steps

ghostblackout ,

I’m not getting in to another argument with people on the Internet good day sir

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

People already are forgetting about Boeings space capsule test

Emerald ,

First one failed, but they redid it and it docked

vrighter ,

another valve?

littlebluespark ,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, apparently Sony was getting pissy that the astronauts were about to leave the planet without logging into their PSN accounts first. 🤷🏼‍♂️

brianorca ,

Rockets don’t have a lot of moving parts that are NOT valves of some kind.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Did they do a quick seal check?

bmsok ,

Good on NASA for scrubbing the launch to keep both the astronauts and the launch team safe. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

nonailsleft ,

No it’s not. They could have learned a ton from this probably fatal experiment

bmsok ,

Dude. People would have died without those safety checks.

Brunbrun6766 ,
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People HAVE died

bmsok ,

But not today, thankfully. Thats what makes every scrubbed launch a success.

Challenger and Colombia were particularly horrific because people warned that there were issues and were still given the green light for launch and reentry, respectively.

You can’t do this stuff without making some mistakes and learning from them. But everyone did their job well this evening to ensure everyone’s safety.

Brunbrun6766 ,
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Yeah not sure why I’m getting down votes. It’s a fact, people have died and it was due to lax adherence to those safety standards. Today’s launch scrub is exactly what should happen every time. A single tiny thing out of place should be a scrub. These are people’s lives on the line.

bmsok ,

I misinterpreted where you were coming from with your comment. My apologies. I think we’re on the same page. Safety first.

MataVatnik ,
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He’s making fun of SpaceX

frezik ,

OK, but SpaceX doesn’t launch those tests with people on board. Musk might be that dumb, but SpaceX has a whole management structure for dealing with his bullshit and stopping his worst ideas.

Emerald ,

I’m sure it’s a joke

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Doctor Mengele?

Veraxus ,

Found the Kerbal scientist.

NightAuthor ,

Seems like this comment has a pretty solid coat of sarcasm. But at least 24 colorblind people can’t tell.

Ensign_Crab ,

Turns out, if your contractor kills enough people with their slapdash products, even go fever has its limits.

gedaliyah , (edited )
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“I hate to say I told you so…”

-literally everyone

LopensLeftArm ,
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Yeah, apparently NASA are real sticklers about all the doors staying on all the time. Just ridiculous standards to expect!

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks Obama.

hrimfaxi_work ,

Nanny state foolishness. It’s just crewed spaceflight, not rocket science.

ladicius ,

If they build without doors at all? Simply weld in the crew with enough food. Why get out of the vessel? Space is deadly anyway.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Blow me

stembolts ,

It’s not that hard. I seen the Flintstones, just have the space people put their feet out the bottom and wiggle em real fast.

Why am I not in charge of space launches? Probably people are afraid of my intellect, and massive dong.

(copium)

Zier ,
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I'm gonna need pictures of the massive dong incident before deciding if I'm scared or not.

stembolts ,

It’s umm, a quantum dong. Very rare, it appears very small in photographs but when not observed it is the size of Mount Fuji. Woe is me! To have the dong of the century but cursed to never show it.

Fear the quantum dong!!

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

So it must be viewed with a blindfold and a pair of hands? So far, semi scared!

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Move Fast and Break Things hasn’t been a NASA motto since at least February 1, 2003.

RedditWanderer , (edited )

I would not want to get on a boeing rocket right now

partial_accumen ,

Boeing only made the spacecraft. The rocket was ULA (formerly Lockheed design).

hddsx ,

Right, so you’ll asphyxiate in space

cmbabul ,

Boeing deserves the scorn, but if it was a joint project with Lockheed it’s probably fine, they’re evil to be sure but they don’t fuck around

Blackout ,
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Yeah Lockheed always gets the job done right. Usually a decade late and a trillion dollars over budget but the job gets done!

CameronDev ,

Guess who the other owner of ULA is…

Zipitydew ,

Sure but the rocket being used is Atlas V which is from the Lockheed half of the partnership.

Delta series is what Boeing brought to the ULA partnership. Which they acquired from buying out McDonnell Douglas.

Boeing didn’t design either rocket ULA has flown.

CameronDev ,

My impression, and correct me if I am wrong, is that Boeings issues are largely management/culture driven (this may just be the plane side of the business though). The Atlas 5 this is being launched on may have been designed by LM, but it was still built under the same management/culture.

But either way, the Atlas 5 is a very reliable rocket, so the scorn isnt really that deserved.

Zipitydew ,

Boeing issues are plane side of the business for sure.

From little I’m aware, part of why Boeing sought a partnership with Lockheed is because they weren’t sure what to do with the aerospace pieces of McDonell Douglas and Rockwell they acquired in the late 90’s. Meaning most of the “Boeing” contribution to ULA came from other companies already serving NASA for decades. Mainly with the Delta rockets.

None of that was core Boeing business. Which is why ULA has been run by Lockheed people the whole time it has existed. Current ULA CEO Tory Bruno was an engineer at Lockheed for a long time before working his way up to where he’s at now. Something like 30 years in the industry.

kboy101222 ,

ULA is 50% owned by Boeing. Therefore there’s only a 50% chance you’ll die!

No_Eponym ,
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“Product management was never my strong suit.” Bud Askins, Senior Junior Vice President of Vault-Tec Boeing, maybe.

mercano ,
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Boeing’s share in the company came from the Delta rocket though, which was retired last month. (FWIW, Delta was originally a Douglas design, going back to the late 50’s, but Boeing got it through mergers.)

sentient_loom ,
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Hey, they finally followed a safety standard.

Icalasari ,

Don't worry, somebody will off themselves with multiple bullet wounds to the back of the head for this

RozhkiNozhki ,
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In space, no one can hear you blow your whistle.

swab148 ,
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avidamoeba ,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

It wasn’t them, ULA followed the safety standards as they make and operate the rocket. 😂

Kimano ,

ULA is also Boeing, tbf.

bibliotectress ,

Oh. Yeah. I just googled it. Boeing and Lockheed Martin. I had even read the article, and it doesn’t mention that Boeing owns ULA anywhere.

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