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Blackmist ,

Joke’s on them. The fingerprint scanner on my Pixel 7 is so shit it doesn’t work even when I want it to.

PanoptiDon ,

Pixel 7 Power+volume up, lock down https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/22afdbcb-bc20-40cd-ae9a-5858cfb6dedd.png

pkill , (edited )

Luckily LineageOS and GrapheneOS have a lockdown mode (Graphene also supports disabling fingerprint for screen unlock), though rebooting your phone usually doesn’t cause you to lose any work since everything autosaves as phones kill background apps to save battery and memory. Separate user profiles for situations like protests or certain contexts (preferably with some dummy data to make it not look to sus) are also useful.

itsnotits ,

to lose* any work

NotMyOldRedditName , (edited )

It’s very unlikely the OS actually kills apps in the background as that would legitimately break many apps and is a source of frustration from other OEMs.

There’s a difference between killing an app and putting it into a less active state.

When you swipe an app away from your recent lists, it’s not actually killing it, its just putting it in a different state.

When your force stop an app from its info under settings, you’re actually killing it. Nothing about it is alive.

When you actually kill an app, things like alarms stop functioning. The app needs to be alive for the alarm to function. Even so much that when you set an alarm on your phone, you need to set the alarm again after rebooting as they arent permanently stored and if the phone is rebooted the app needs to be woken up and the alarms re set. There’s a whole development workflow to do that.

There was a brief period many years ago when an OEM actually force killed an app when swiped away from recents without fully understanding the implications and they later reverted the change.

Push notifications of any type would also completely cease functioning.

Tebbie ,

I always hated how android phones seem to have everything running. This certainly explains why there is no proper task manager in them.

capital ,

On iOS hold power and volume up until SOS/power off options appear. TouchID/FaceID is now disabled until the next time you input the code.

Also you’re experiencing some amnesia due to the stress of interacting with a cop.

lepinkainen ,

5 taps on the lock button works too

werefreeatlast ,

Buying phones with no thumbprint would be my next priority in life. No thumbprint, no camera.

Tja ,

You know you can just not use it, right?

umulu ,
@umulu@lemmy.world avatar

People like to complicate things.

Johnmannesca ,
@Johnmannesca@lemmy.world avatar

Turn on pin-secured boot and shut off the phone and a fingerprint should be useless now, right? And don’t the cops have a lot people’s fingerprints on record? Are we just waiting for a cop with a higher than room temperature IQ to come up with a duplicating method to get in people’s phones without warrant or even probable cause?

mansfield ,

The initial pin that most folks have to enter is needed to decrypt the partition with user data. This is not 100% foolproof for keeping LEOs out since there are many known, and likely more unknown, ways to brute force these but it is still the best option.

twistypencil ,

If you have the time?

Fedizen ,

I’ve always wondered why phones don’t have a locked dowm “guest mode” that’s accessible by typing in a non admin password/pin.

Khanzarate ,

Some do. You can also just restart a phone real quick and it’ll demand your passcode not biometrics.

The passcode itself isn’t circumvented by this, after all.

But locking/resetting your phone should be an urgent thing, if you suspect the police will take it. Apple also does this if you hit the power button 5 times fast.

ANNOFlo ,

Samsung phones have a lockdown mode you can get to when you keep the power button pressed (like when you want to shut down). The legal situation is the same here in Germany - fingerprint unlock can be forced, regular pin or other measures not.

Krzd ,
@Krzd@lemmy.world avatar

FaceID can also be forced, they aren’t allowed to force you to give up anything you “know” as in pin/password/pattern etc.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

What happened to being secure in our documents and personal affects?

Is the constitution a joke to you?

brianorca , (edited )

In this case, the defendant was on parole, so there was already a court order allowing the search of his devices.

Siegfried ,

US “constitution” sounds honestly like a joke to me

capital ,

Payne conceded that “the use of biometrics to open an electronic device is akin to providing a physical key to a safe” but argued it is still a testimonial act because it “simultaneously confirm[s] ownership and authentication of its contents,” the court said. “However, Payne was never compelled to acknowledge the existence of any incriminating information. He merely had to provide access to a source of potential information.”

If you can be compelled to hand over a key to a safe, I can see how that translates to putting your thumb on the scanner.

endhits ,

The constitution is only used to protect property rights of the owners and the power of managers. The working class is not often afforded it’s protections.

Suburbanl3g3nd ,

Pro-tip: get a folding phone and use biometrics happily. If the cops come for you. Snap it in half. /S

Bgugi ,

Pro tip: every phone is a folding phone if you try hard enough.

mycathas9lives ,

But Gym Jordan can ignore a congressional subpoena. Chyea I’m not giving my thumbprint.

card797 ,

They will take it from you. Forced.

A_Random_Idiot ,

Never use biometrics to lock anything. You can be forced to push a finger to a sensor, or your head forcibly held still for a facial scan.

Only use passwords/passcords. only they are secure against this totalitarian bullshit.

They’ll still put you in jail on fake charges if you refuse to give your passcode, but at least your datas safe and now your case is unlawful imprisonment instead of relying on octogenarian judges thinking its okay to force compliance with a biometric.

konsumate ,

This ⬆️

Llewellyn , (edited )

Or that? Come on with this stupid Facebook shit comments.

Llewellyn ,

Only use passwords/passcords. only they are secure against this totalitarian bullshit.

Oh sweet summer child. Password is as easily beaten out of you as biometric.

deweydecibel ,

If we’re talking about a situation where they can just straight up beat you legally until you give them a passcode, then what’s on your phone likely doesn’t make a difference in the outcome.

Llewellyn ,

Oh it does. It could be some information throwing shade on other people

Tja ,

Obligatory XKCD xkcd.com/538/

Roflmasterbigpimp , (edited )
@Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

So when comes the ruling that they can just straight up execute you without having to do the hustle of a fake investigation on themselves?

mudstickmcgee ,

Justice has a price. That price is freedom

Krzd ,
@Krzd@lemmy.world avatar

Yikes. imagine actually believing something like that

Freewheel ,

True. The price of both justice and freedom is blood, but it’s been a long time since the common person thought that way.

mudstickmcgee ,

It’s a quote from judge dread. Seems it went over pretty Badly :(

LordCrom ,

Don’t use fingerprint to unlock phone. They can force your fingerprint, but they can’t force your password … So just use a password. Problem solved

workerONE ,

Edit: wow pulptastic shared this gem: Power+volume up > lockdown

My original comment: Restart your phone if they ask for it. Then it will need a passcode and can’t be unlocked by a fingerprint

Llewellyn ,

They can beat the shit out of you - along with the password

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Clearly we need a finger print to wipe it.

Thumb to open, middle to initiate wipe.

ours ,

And for face unlock: blink SOS in Morse code to wipe.

Llewellyn ,

Too long.

yetAnotherUser ,

Or better yet:

One thumb to open, the other to wipe.

Makes it more inconspicuous.

deweydecibel ,

You don’t want to wipe it, you just want to lock it. Wiping it in that moment would get you in trouble.

You do not have to help them access incriminating information about you, but you cannot destroy potentially incriminating information after they’ve started doing their search…

deweydecibel ,

At the point that they have ordered you to unlock the phone, an investigation has begun, so if you do anything to the data on that phone, it could be considered destroying evidence.

Kind of in the same way that if the cops are searching your home and you try to flush some cocaine, they would consider that destroying evidence. But if you flushed cocaine the moment you saw cops on your street, that wouldn’t count as destroying evidence, because there was no investigation at the time.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

This person was on parole and got pulled over by the highway patrol. No investigation.

Daft_ish ,

Sure but what about a dick print? Or even better, ball print?

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Is there a way to set up multiple user profiles for the same phone, activated by different prints/PINs?

Then you could have your main profile unlocked by like your ring finger print; but if you scan your thumb or index, it’ll unlock basically a dummy account with some bullshit apps and contacts and nothing else.

Like the phone equivalent of a throw wallet with a few bucks and an expired credit card or two so you have something to surrender in the event of getting mugged, without losing anything of actual value.

RvTV95XBeo ,

I don’t know of how to do that without visibly switching accounts, but I believe the GrapheneOS folks are prepping a “duress PIN” for the next major release. I’m not 100% sure of what it entails but could have a similar end result to what you’re after

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

That would be cool enough to get me off my ass tbh

deweydecibel ,

The problem there would be if they have told you to unlock the device and you do something to further lock it down, and they can prove that you did that (like there’s some big letters on the lock screen that say “lockdown initiated” or something), that can be considered obstruction.

To picture it another way, imagine you had the one key to your vault, they order you to unlock it, and you swallow the key.

It’s kind of in the same way that you can destroy evidence at any time until an investigation has started or you have a reasonable belief that one is about to start. At that point, destroying the evidence would get you in trouble.

RvTV95XBeo ,

Depends a bit on your threat model I suppose. Journalist protecting a source? Probably helpful. Getting mugged? Helpful for preventing ID theft, but potentially increased risk of physical harm. Political dissident covering up regionally unprotected speech? Obstruction charge may be less harmful than the alternative. Wall Street trader shredding insider trading documents? Obstruction charge may be worse.

This is a gross oversimplification but shows how it could be helpful even if it isn’t ideal in every situation.

bitfucker ,

There is. ColorOS by Oppo have that feature

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

this is the way.

regardless of what the law says, at least where i live, cops will compel you to unlock it anyway if they decide to. this feature is a must.

Brkdncr ,

BlackBerry devices had this.

They had a “under duress but unlock” PIN and a “under duress and wipe device now” PIN. You needed their enterprise management server to configure it.

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