Rhetoric aside, it is chilling that a sitting Senator would take such a step and we should all be concerned about what this could lead to.
Today it’s Tuberville’s hold on nominations for non-military political reasons. Maybe tomorrow it’s the Armed Services committees treating these appointments and promotions like judicial nominations. All of a sudden, you effectively have de-facto political appointments for in-the-ranks military leadership, and U.S. politics is far scarier than it’s ever been.
Sure, I’m committing a slippery slope fallacy here, but given the track record of our political leaders to cause institutional decay with zero-sum game partisan politics, I don’t think it’s a stretch.
I think, given the fact that we are all living in the same era of American politics and that we are all in the comments section of a story about a Republican Senator, that it was obvious Republicans are the perpetrators I’m speaking of. Their behavior with regard to institutional security is obviously abhorrent.
I am a bit bothered by your reply though. And I do mean to operate in good faith here, but I am curious about whether my comment was unclear or were you hoping for “Democrat good” to be my reply?
Let me clarify that I’m not trying to sound like an “enlightened centrist here,” I’m just trying to make the point that playing the finger-pointing game in relation to this story also contributes to the zero-sum-game politics that causes this institutional decay. There are no winners here, only losers.
No, not hoping for "Democrat good." It's probably just a matter of mild miscommunication/misunderstanding.
The only reference you make to a Republican Senator is naming him as today's problem. Tomorrow's problems are described neutrally. And the last line, especially the part I quoted above, can be read in a "bOtH sIDeS" kind of way. That's the read I was responding to, and I apologize if I misunderstood.
I still think it's worth saying. The major and pressing problem with politics in the US in 2023 is the Republican party. This is not to say that Democrats are immune from criticism. This is not saying anything about Democrats. It's unfortunate that the construction of our elections force a two-party system. Perhaps the right wing wouldn't be so crazy if we had ranked choice voting, full passage of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, better civics and US history education, etc, etc.
Missing one lunch is hardly abuse. I forgot to grab my lunch on many occasions when I was a kid and nobody even called my parents about it. I was fine.
That doesn’t make her not a bad parent for all the other shit she did but if it was just this one thing it wouldn’t be that bad.
There are some things that should never be used in punishment. Food, safety/security, water, sleep, education, housing, and love. She broke several of those rules when she refused to bring her kid lunch.
Child protection caseworker and previous child of abuse here: this is absolutely correct. Punishment should NEVER involve removal of a basic necessity. It should always amount to removal of a want, not a need. Taking away dessert, access to video games etc. are the only acceptable forms of punishment. This follows research that shows that taking a child’s basic necessities from them doesn’t improve behaviour, it merely adapts their attachment style to dysfunctional.
Roughly, and my parents worked an hour away from the school too so it’s not like they could have brought me a lunch in time anyway if they’d been notified.
Forgetting it accidentally or not having any food does not make you a bad person. Purposely withholding food from someone in your care without the means to get their own certainly is abusive.
I agree, she shouldn’t have her kids taken away for making them skip one meal. It’s bad, but not horrific Tied up and injured on the other hand…
Not defending her other actions, but the case I heard on NPR this morning they are using against her, was her daughter was assigned to make her own lunch to take to school. She didn’t do it and then had the school call this woman to bring her lunch. Mom said the natural consequence of failing to make your lunch and bring it was to not have lunch. On this ONE incident, the mom is right. We have to teach our children there are natural consequences for bad decisions.
But it sounds like this one incident is the least of her charges.
I think you misheard. This NPR article https://www.npr.org/2023/09/01/1197289217/ruby-franke-utah-youtube-child-abuse from 5 days ago mentions that as part of the controversy over her, but doesn't mention it in connection with the charges. There's another short one from 2 hours ago that doesn't bring up the lunches at all.
If your 6 year old goes to school without lunch that's on you, not her. It might be appropriate for a 12/13 year old to be responsible for their own school lunches, but no way in hell is a first grader mature enough.
IMO it’s good and fine for a 5+ year old to make their own lunch, but at that age it’s absolutely important and necessary for parents to double check that it’s fine and they’ve got it with them.
Yeah, the punishment for forgetting to make your lunch at 5 should be mom or dad makes you something boring and bland instead, not they let you starve for a day.
I don’t even think there should be a punishment. Children aren’t tiny adults with the same kinds of obligations we have. If they don’t make their lunch their parents should make them a nice lunch, it should just be part of the kids routine of learning life skills to make lunch.
She threw their homework and other things in the trash. Said they had until the end of the day to pay cash or do chores to get it back so they could learn the real value of their things.
She took her son’s bed away for seven months, apparently because he played a prank on his brother.
Oh, and the kids had to make their own school lunch in the morning. The school calls one day because her 6 year old daughter didn’t have any food. She let the girl go hungry. Quote:
My hope is that she’ll be hungry and come home and go, ‘oh man, that was really painful, being hungry all day. I will make sure to always have lunch with me.
one time as punishment she cancelled christmas for the younger 2… the older 2 got presents like usual. another time she didn’t allow her oldest son to sleep in his room for 6 months oh and he slept on a bean bag during those months… when he did have a room he wasn’t allowed to have a door. if you want to see examples check out mormon stories podcast. they go into detail.
What’s even crazier, from some of what I have seen online, she was/is Mormon and many/good portion of her viewers seem to be too… they all claim this lifestyle as normal and it is quite frankly scary and jarring to see some of the comments saying she was just a ‘strict parent’.
OTOH, as a prominent neo-Nazi he'll probably have a lot of friends there, both among the inmates and the guards - he's going to be the private cell / loyal underlings / anybody who messes with you gets beat up type of prisoner.
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