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blazera , in Ozempic maker Novo Nordisk facing pressure as study finds $1,000 appetite suppressant can be made for just $5
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

article doesnt present any pressure they are facing. also

Drug production costs are often shrouded in secrecy with little clarity on how they relate to prices, if at all.

Prices are never about cost, its what people are willing to pay. Which gets brutally exploited by pharmaceutical industry.

melpomenesclevage ,

To be fair, drug development is pretty expensive. A lot of the budgets for it are public-because it happens at public institutions.

catloaf , in ‘Worst' NYC landlord attacked upon arrival at Rikers, may have broken bones in face: source

If he’s that bad, they should seize the properties and bank accounts and use the funds to actually make the fixes. Then either operate them under public housing or sell them off.

JoMomma ,

Silly human, asking for real justice is so 44BC

kescusay , in Poll shows US public support for LGBTQ+ protections falling for first time since 2015
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the constant, incessant, and deranged attacks on trans people and drag queens. The sociopaths in charge of the Republican party have figured out that attacking them is a good way to keep their supporters frothing - and keep the money coming in.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, but how do you go from “queer people deserve the same rights as I do” to “no they don’t?”

psvrh ,
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There’s a psychological phenomenon, a cascade effect, that causes people’s perceptions to flip if enough people around them also change their minds.

It’s not nefarious, or a sign of stupidity or ignorance, it’s part of how social primates like humans work. And it’s something that the Right knows to work, and is exploiting.

It’s how we got LGBTQ rights, and it’s how we’ll lose them if we, and especially the media, don’t stop giving these troglodytes and their ideas oxygen.

Anyone who tells you that if we just educate people it’ll make a difference ( it won’t, cf the Backfire Effect) and that “sunshine is the best disinfectant” is either woefully ignorant of how humans work, or is actively disingenuous.

Tl;dr radical centrists are paving stones on the path to He’ll.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Phil Ochs knew that all the way back in 1966. www.youtube.com/watch?v=azdlpIy7oaQ

Edit: Unfortunately, that song slurs lesbians. Oh well.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Reminds me of Edward Berneys, nephew of Sigmund Freud and “father of public relations”.

The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons… who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.

– Propaganda (1928) pp. 9–10 Source

h3mlocke ,

Cool documentary The Century of the Self for anyone who wants to learn more about this goon

Fredselfish ,
@Fredselfish@lemmy.world avatar

I agree it works in the opposite direction too. My boys both LGBTQ ask me about gays when I was teenager and I had to admit I never met any and if I ever thought about gay people it was not in a positive light.

Keep in mind I grew up in Southern Baptist environment were my dad was a racist. But when I grew up got away my prospective change when I got around more left wing individuals and exposed to gay people.

FlyingSquid ,
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My daughter is queer and it is to my shame that when I was around her age (13), I used “gay” and “fag” as insults. This was Indiana in the late 1980s. That’s not an excuse for my behavior, just an explanation for why I thought it was okay.

And the really bad thing is my much older brother’s best friend is gay and I had known him since I was 5 or 6 but I did that anyway.

PlasticExistence ,

I was guilty of that kind of behavior too. We’re social creatures and will repeat what those around us say, sometimes without considering how that might be received - especially when we were young and dumb.

Things have changed culturally since then. It took brave people in marginalized groups to stand up and bring awareness that they did not appreciate having their identities used as pejoratives before a lot of us realized that we were being jerks unintentionally.

We can’t change the past, but we can do better for the future. The fact that you realized that you needed to do better and did is about all one can reasonably expect from a human being.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, I agree. And it didn’t take me more than a year or two after that to realize it thankfully.

ToastedPlanet ,

We need to educate the people who have not made up their minds. The internet is an excellent place to engage people who are sitting on the fence on a whole host of issues. We are in an information race, to reach as many people as possible. Not participating is how the fascists win. edit: typo

psvrh ,
@psvrh@lemmy.ca avatar

That’s actually my point: educating them doesn’t really work, and the failure of the information deficit hypothesis (and the ensuing understanding of the Backfire Effect) has pretty much proven it.

We need to pivot from trying to inform people and focus on changing their minds.

Fascists don’t bother with facts, because they don’t really work. They’ve realized that people’s brains aren’t computers, they’re rationalization engines that are just trying to make sense of the world and align it with ones precepts and social groups.

What would go a long was is coming down on the media and how it frames issues as having two sides, with equal validity. That’ll at least prevent the more toxic ideas from getting an audience, and thusly credibility.

ToastedPlanet ,

We need to pivot from trying to inform people and focus on changing their minds.

This is a contradiction. People’s minds will only change with new information. In the long term, some minds can be changed. In the short term, such as between now and the general election, the Backfire Effect is a huge problem. We need to get true information to people first, before fascists get out their false information. Educating is essential, because so many people are uniformed on issues. Most people are going to tune in to the election between now and election day, so these next few months are crucial.

If we try to change the minds of fascists, in the short term we will be disappointed. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try though. People have demonstrated that it is possible to help people out of the MAGA cult, but this has been done on a case by case basis. Meanwhile, Fox News and conservative media in general blasts the airwaves with fascist propaganda. Mainstream news get it right occasionally, but a lot of the time they are still both-siding fascism. We are going to have to pick up the slack and get the word out to people on political issues. Fascists know they just have to trick people in the short term to win. We have to spread the truth to people who are sleep walking into fascism.

IWantToFuckSpez , (edited )

Ask the “Drop the T” homos and lesbos. They think giving trans people rights means it will infringe on their rights.

It’s the same train of thought as privileged white people who don’t want to treat non-whites as equals.

kescusay ,
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Most of those guys are right-wingers trolling in an attempt to sow division.

Wooster ,
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I dunno… I mean Flat Earthers were a bunch of trolls… now look where we are.

admiralteal ,

It's also the logic of TERFs. Somehow, tolerance and acceptance are a zero sum game to them. Giving basic dignity to one population somehow requires taking it away from another.

It's utter horseshit, but they believe it firmly.

fidodo ,

People are impressionable to the rhetoric around them and these are people in communities that have had a concerted anti LGBTQ+ propaganda push.

MechaJutaro ,

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  • FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Please name a prominent person who craves this protected class status. Or is this just random people on the internet?

    Because your random person who hates Pride is meaningless.

    MechaJutaro ,

    Lindy West and the leadership of Stonewall, for starters. Note: I’m a staunch proponent of equality before the law and unhindered access to opportunity for everyone

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Can you actually present evidence of them saying what you claim? Because my Googling sure doesn’t show it. It does show a lot of right-wing hatred for this Lindy West person… and Wikipedia doesn’t even talk about them writing about queer issues, so I’m not sure where you’re even getting this from.

    MechaJutaro ,

    LW gives proponents of text-book Liberalism more cause to revile her than anyone youtu.be/up1qyxHSbCg?si=3QjdzNBrgnxUPpI-

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    So your evidence is a comedy show?

    You do know what comedy means, right?

    MechaJutaro ,

    That was a debate. You do know what that word means, right?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    A “debate”… on a comedy show.

    There are many comedy shows about “debates.” The whole point is that they are comedy shows.

    Totally Biased with W. Kamau Bell is an American stand up comedy television series that premiered on FX on August 9, 2012, starring comedian W. Kamau Bell. On stage, Bell did mostly observational comedy on recent news stories and current events. After an opening PowerPoint monologue, the program usually cut to a segment filmed outside of the studio. Additionally, since all of the show’s writers were stand-up comedians, many often appeared as correspondents who performed monologues. As the last segment of the program, Bell interviewed a celebrity guest. In order to ensure the show’s topicality, most of the show was taped on the day that it was broadcast. In the first episode, Bell interviewed Chris Rock, who was also an executive producer of the show.

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Totally_Biased_with_W._Kamau_B…

    Yes, sounds like a formal debate forum where people intentionally make serious, well-reasoned arguments to me.

    MechaJutaro ,

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  • FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    And now you’re insulting her physical appearance. You clearly aren’t interested in a serious discussion either.

    MechaJutaro , (edited )

    Let’s not pretend that you didn’t already have your mind made up when you first replied to me. I’ve learned the hard way that conversing with folks like yourself is more pointless than bedding Kim Kardashian, then expecting her poonany to be tighter than an oil drum

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    My mind made up about what?

    All I’ve made my mind up about is that you judge people for their inherent characteristics, which is something I would not expect a queer person to do.

    MechaJutaro ,

    I’ve judged West as a dunce based on the emptiness of her thinking*, not any inherent characteristics. That(Judging people based on what they say and do)is the way sane, decent people operate, no matter what sexual orientation they happen to be

    *sheckymagazine.com/…/darkbasementsfullofangrymen/ sheckymagazine.com/2013/…/close-minded-response/

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You literally mocked her for her BMI just now. So you absolutely did judge something inherent about her. Or are you one of those nutty “anyone can be thin” people?

    Also, Shecky Magazine is another comedy source.

    You’ve provided two comedy sources to “prove” your claim and insulted someone for their BMI. You are not here for serious discussion.

    You didn’t even tell me what I supposedly made my mind up about.

    MechaJutaro ,

    Lindy West admits to being one of those nutty people who refuses to lay off the Twinkies, under the pretext that her doing so is “Fighting Systemic Oppression…” She clearly won’t get lean with a mindset like that. She describes herself as a comedy reformer, so yeah… Shecky has taken an interest in her idiocy

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I see, it’s okay to make fun of someone’s body image as long as they eat Twinkies.

    Because she would definitely be thin if she didn’t do that. That’s how everything works.

    Or maybe you’re just an intolerant person.

    MechaJutaro ,

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  • FlyingSquid ,
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    She would still very likely be overweight if she slimmed down and you could still make fun of her BMI.

    Or is it only okay to make fun of people’s weight in specific circumstances? If so, what circumstances make it okay to mock other people’s traits?

    Would any of those circumstances be “a discussion where I am expected to be taken seriously?”

    MechaJutaro ,

    Making such a prediction reveals that you don’t think highly of West. By contrast, I’ve expressed faith in her capacity for achievement. Who’s being ignorant and intolerant now?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You have yet to answer any of my questions. Again a sign that you are not here seriously.

    MechaJutaro ,

    You were never interested in “listening” to anything I had to say

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    That is a lie. I gave you many opportunities to give actual evidence, which you did not provide. You gave me a comedian whose weight you made fun of, showing you are neither serious nor tolerant.

    And it doesn’t change the fact that you have not answered any of my questions.

    I also just looked at your comment history and see that you’re right-wing, which explains a lot.

    MechaJutaro ,

    Easy to label everyone who’s thoughts aren’t carbon copies of your own as “right wing”. If folks such as yourself and every other devout Guardian reader are to be believed, Sydney Sweeney is “right wing” for not cutting off contact with that portion of her family who’s political leanings aren’t sufficiently Far Left, even though there’s no indication whatsoever that she’s particularly political

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m labeling you as right wing because of the right-wing things you post:

    Lots of luck creating a human society devoid of Capitalism where everyone isn’t dirt poor. Decapitating the patient to relieve their scalp psoriasis doesn’t ultimately get them well

    When the city government spends two decades allowing hordes of homeless dope fiends to regularly shit on the streets, chase their fellow citizens down with machetes, and litter every nook and cranny of your town with syringes, the general public typically reacts by gravitating towards civic leaders who speak and act like Dirty Harry

    This is you saying empathy is bad, a very right-wing position to take:

    Paul Bloom has written exhaustively on this subject www.econtalk.org/paul-bloom-on-empathy/ You’re very apt, Astro

    And that’s just on the first couple of pages.

    If you don’t want people to call you right-wing, don’t praise capitalism, denigrate the poor and be against empathy.

    MechaJutaro ,

    You failed to quote what I wrote in it’s entirety regarding San Francisco. The final sentence read: “I say all of this as a proponent of repealing our drug laws, and treating addiction as the psychological ailment that it is”. Hardly a right-wing view. And had you followed the link in that third quote, you would be aware that Paul Bloom explicitly makes the case for Rational Compassion

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, I get that you’re a libertarian who claims not to be right-wing.

    MechaJutaro ,

    It’s much easier just to say what’s on your mind outright: “Someone is expressing thoughts which run contrary to my own, and I don’t like it. I want everyone to always agree with me, and to just re-enforce my pre-existing beliefs”

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    That was not what was on my mind. Stop lying.

    MechaJutaro ,

    If Georgia was what was on your mind, I encourage you to check out lemmy.world/post/13115853

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Like I would click the link of someone who feels it’s appropriate to lie to me about what’s in my own mind.

    MechaJutaro ,

    Therein lays the peril of not being honest with yourself… A gadfly like myself inevitably comes along, and articulates what you’ve been hinting around at, in Plain Language

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Why you believe gaslighting me about what is in my own mind will work, I don’t know. But do continue, “gadfly.”

    MechaJutaro ,

    A gadfly is preferable to a Gad Saad. Consider yourself blessed

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I have no idea what you’re talking about. Is this some weird new attempt at lying or gaslighting?

    MechaJutaro ,

    Jonah Hill has spurred an epidemic of misusing that term. “Gaslighting”, that is

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Once again, I have no idea what you’re talking about, and since you won’t answer any questions, I doubt I’ll ever know.

    MechaJutaro ,

    Re-read our conversation thus far. I’ve responded to several of your questions

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Ah, back to gaslighting.

    MechaJutaro ,

    You stay on this site 24hrs a day, rain or shine, and guarantee to reply within 15 minutes. You’re commitment is simultaneously sad and remarkable

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    And another lie.

    MechaJutaro ,

    Another Day In Paradise youtu.be/Qt2mbGP6vFI?si=sAGvRL28ko4CZ6LR is more like it

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Once again, I’m not going to click on your links.

    MechaJutaro ,

    You’ll walk away with a greater appreciation of the classics after clicking on that link

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not particularly interested in what someone who repeatedly lies about me feels I will appreciate.

    MechaJutaro ,

    Get interested… Your life will be enriched immensely, in a little over 3 minutes

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I also don’t care what someone who repeatedly lies about me thinks will enrich my life.

    webadict ,

    Note: I’m a staunch proponent of equality before the law and unhindered access to opportunity for everyone

    Those sound like weasel words. All people, rich or poor, are banned from sleeping under bridges and stealing food is “equality before the law.” Removal of programs that give minorities a step up is “unhindered access to opportunity.”

    MechaJutaro ,

    Less weasely than words like “Problematic” and(On the other end of the sociopolitical continuum)and “Blue Pill”, we must concede

    webadict ,

    I disagree, not sure why you wrote we when you don’t speak for me.

    Those terms have pretty clear connotations. Your words, on the other hand, seem like dogwhistles, and your lack of clarification seems to cement that.

    MechaJutaro ,

    “Those terms have pretty clear connotations”

    In regards to “Problematic” latimes.com/…/la-oe-daum-the-problem-with-problem… …medium.com/problematic-is-a-coward-word-930ff862…www.wnycstudios.org/…/jargon-we-love-to-hate-it

    The redefinition of that term that’s been en vogue since '16 is deliberately vague and slippery I.E. Anything BUT clear

    webadict ,

    It’s telling that you don’t defend your own words and instead point to other words.

    Problematic means it causes a problem. Problematic can be used in a variety of situations, but it always means that to anyone with a brain. Blue pill is stupid meme shit that means “Don’t talk to this person again because they probably hate black people and women.”

    MechaJutaro ,

    So you didn’t read the two articles I linked or listen to the interview. Pity

    webadict ,

    You didn’t respond to my issues, and since you believe in equality so much, it just seemed fair.

    MechaJutaro ,

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  • webadict ,

    Clever because the response both answers my question and attempts not to. It presumes that you understand entendres, and thus hate people for wanting to be able to live their lives.

    MechaJutaro ,

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  • webadict ,

    That seems subjective, don’t you think?

    MechaJutaro ,

    In the same way it’s subjective to believe that sending a platoon of armed soldiers into a village of dirt poor peasants, then ordering them to murder everyone in the village is a no-no might be “subjective”. Yeah, there’s a portion of our species who will resort to remarkable feats of intellectual contortion in their efforts to justify such things

    Most folks recognize that our capacity for forethought and self-possession are what separates human beings from the animals though, and that rewarding those who behave contrary to these standards undermines the very notion of civilization

    webadict ,

    Well, that’s a non sequitur.

    MechaJutaro ,

    Seems we’re redefining “non-sequitur” to mean “Anything we disagree with”

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    They refuse to answer any questions.

    MechaJutaro , (edited )

    A growing body of research indicates that those who are capable of comprehending dark/morbid/twisted/macabre/gallows humor are a minority of our overall species youtu.be/FEM-r3YWKZg?si=wO7V77ROKvz8AKdp In the spirit of equity, let’s now enact affirmative action for all those who “get” Jimmy Carr, Jeselnik, and Mike Ward’s act

    Kiryu , in Gov. Gavin Newsom's campaign donor says his Panera Bread restaurants will follow new minimum wage law after backlash
    @Kiryu@lemmy.world avatar

    “California’s statewide minimum wage is $16 per hour. Newsom signed a law last year that says fast food restaurants that are part of a chain with at least 60 locations nationally must pay their workers at least $20 per hour beginning April 1. But the law does not apply to restaurants that have their own bakeries to make and sell bread as a stand-alone menu item.”

    Is there an explanation as to why making your own bread means minimum wage laws cannot be applied to businesses that otherwise meet these requirements?

    givesomefucks ,

    Yeah…

    He’s a neoliberal and gets donations from Panera…

    Cali should be full of progressives. But there’s lots of money in being an incumbent in a seat the other party can’t win.

    Hell, Pelosi and AIPAC just got another I to the Senate. He’ll keep taking donor money well after Pelosi is buried, and preventing a candidate that agrees with Cali voters from taking that seat for decades.

    It can’t change till we get them out of power in the Dem party, but we can’t compete with their do ors money in a primary.

    These days were lucky if we even get a primary.

    Shit needs to change while it’s still able to change

    We need money out of politics.

    stoly ,

    Money is always been and will always be the problem.

    return2ozma OP ,
    @return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

    The explanation:

    Flynn has been a generous donor to Newsom’s political campaigns, including contributing $100,000 to fight a failed recall effort against the governor. Bloomberg reported that the two men attended the same high school. Flynn also acquired a resort managed by Newsom’s hospitality business in 2014, but terminated the management contract about a year after the purchase, according to the news outlet.

    latimes.com/…/newsoms-office-calls-allegations-ab…

    Kiryu ,
    @Kiryu@lemmy.world avatar

    That is unfortunate. Absolute red meat for both-sides-are-bad politics.

    SnotFlickerman ,
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Because unfortunately, both sides are bad and one side is leaning hard on the other side being so off-the-rails they’re openly ranting about how badly they want to lock up and kill minorities.

    If you don’t see how the absolute deranged criminality of the right is helping change expectations about what corruption is, you’re naive.

    Literally, your post proves it, you’re more concerned with how it will affect people who see criminality and corruption on both sides, instead of admitting “Yeah, both sides do corrupt shit, but it’s firmly clear one side is off the rails and readily wants to hurt people.” It’s really easy to not have to offer anything of substance to your constituents if all you have to say is “The other guys literally want to kill you” and you’re being honest when you say it.

    Your comment is literally an example of letting it slide. “That is unfortunate.” No, its grifting and accepting bribery to carve out an exception for your fucking buddy, something you’d probably be screaming fucking bloody murder about if it was a Republican doing it. Guess what, we can cry bloody murder about both and not act like it’s time to just let corruption happen because it isn’t as bad as the other sides corruption.

    What a joke.

    Stovetop ,

    Well, both sides are bad. It’s just that one side is way, way worse.

    Mastengwe ,

    Not even close.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Absolute red meat for both-sides-are-bad politics.

    Not exactly a secret that local economic interests dictate policies to career climbers in the political scene. This isn’t even a “both sides” thing. Its a “how does a democracy actually work in practice” thing. The Whigs operate like this. The UK Tories and Labour operate like this. The German Greens and the Spanish People’s Party operate like this. Its the baseline of liberal democracy the world over.

    harderian729 ,

    Both sides are bad.

    They’re just looking out for different rich people.

    People say voting 3rd party is a waste, but voting democrat just slows the loss.

    Losing is still losing, lol.

    Fedizen ,

    people gonna find out the hard way the libertarian party is funded by psychos.

    the democrats are the best that the current voting system can deliver and we should make more efforts to implement an alaska style top 4 RCV system in the future. The way you prevent corruption of elected officials is to make it very easy to vote them out.

    harderian729 ,

    Just saying, I never mentioned libertarians.

    Ranked-choice voting would be nice, but democrats don’t support it because they’re bad people.

    Dark_Arc ,
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    …wikipedia.org/…/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_Unit…

    Tell me, which states have ranked choice voting and which states are run by the “bad people”?

    Omniraptor ,

    We’re talking about California here

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    The libertarian are psychos. The next time you meet one and you determine that they aren’t just a Republican trying to have sex with a Democrat just mention to them “age of consent laws” and watch a small part of them die.

    GrymEdm , in Conservative Christian women in red states are rising up to defend IVF

    “Because I had never viewed [IVF] as wrong…” is not a justification. I rarely swear, but from the bottom of my heart fuck the people of any religion or political ideology who believe they have some special pipeline to absolute truth. And an extra helping if they believe that gives them the right to legislate their beliefs onto everyone else.

    Pyr_Pressure ,

    Honestly I don’t think one can be against abortion and for IVF without doing a whole bunch of mental gymnastics.

    How can you ban “aborting” embryos that are in the womb but support IVF which results in way more “aborted” embryos.

    It’s either be against both or support both.

    billiam0202 ,

    How can you ban “aborting” embryos that are in the womb but support IVF which results in way more “aborted” embryos.

    The exact way they are doing here: insist that they’re somehow different and avoid thinking about the logical result of their beliefs in order to escape cognitive dissonance.

    Pheonixdown ,

    Feels like an old variant on the trolley problem.

    I’d guess their view is something like, with an abortion, if you don’t, there’s a baby, but with an unimplanted embryo, if you do nothing there’s no baby. Essentially absolving people for not taking an action, even though the outcome is the same as those they condemn when an action is taken in a similar situation. But it’s also weird and telling how they’re now arguing that just having more babies be born is some kind of implicit positive.

    frickineh ,

    They don’t see mental gymnastics as a problem in my experience. They make all these rules for how everyone should live and then naturally it sucks if you actually comply 100%, so they find ways to make the things they want ok (usually only for them though). They want babies, so actually it’s totally fine to dispose of unused embryos. See also: modesty standards, gender roles, social programs, and so on.

    ProdigalFrog , (edited )

    You may be overestimating how familiar they are with the specifics of IVF. It could be perceived as simply as “IVF means more babies, which is good, because I want babies. But abortion means less babies, which is bad.”

    If those people like that perception, they will resist or deny any further detail that would jeopardize those perceptions to remain willfully ignorant, especially if they have utilized IVF themselves. The cognitive dissonance would be too strong otherwise.

    ReallyKinda ,

    I’ve always thought christian/catholic doctrine, if it really takes each potential life seriously, should require everyone to constantly procreate with anyone and everyone in order to instantiate each potential life.

    Gullible ,

    One of the fascinating aspects of modern politics is how rapidly the malice shifts. It has to, given the rapid advances science offers to society. 20 years ago, IVF, abortion, and contraceptives were very visibly on the chopping block due to republicans… republicanning. Nowadays they’re broadly accepted.

    The accelerating shifts in social pressures have created a sort of compartmentalization of bigotry in new voters while older voters hate just the same as they ever have, plus a few new things they picked up along the way. Tom Parker, 72, fulfilled one aspect of his ancient bigotry. Despite everyone talking about it constantly, the new bigots barely recognize the old bigots for what they are. It’d be more interesting if their actions weren’t killing people.

    ObviouslyNotBanana , in Unionized Google workers learned their jobs were over while testifying to Austin City Council about why they need higher pay
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    Watching this from Sweden and can only react with “what the actual fuck”. That’s weird and sad and unfathomable to me.

    SlopppyEngineer ,

    The threshold of pain and abuse the Americans have is impressive. It’s going to be very impressive when their feelings finally explode.

    TransplantedSconie ,

    We literally have millions of working poor fighting and voting against unions because they watch fawx news, listen to preachers, and believe a New York city slicker/rapist/con-man is the next coming of Christ.

    Don’t ever let your right-wing party cut education. The bullshit we are dealing with is a direct result.

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    We have the most privatised education system in the world where publicly traded companies get tax money to educate people and make profit off it. It’s a shit show. It’s already happened.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It doesn’t help that Americans have been told for decades, long before Fox News, that unions are all corrupt and just care about taking a percentage of your paycheck.

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    Tbh I think this is the biggest culprit.

    SlopppyEngineer , (edited )

    That was weird about watching American movies in the 80s. Every other movie somebody had to mention “Sorry, can’t do that. Union rules.”

    refurbishedrefurbisher ,

    Don’t forget about McCarthyism, where everything attached to the labels of communism and socialism are evil. That of course, does not include socialism for corporations. That’s fine.

    Then you couple that with classic Ayn Rand individualism.

    poppy ,

    I wonder if it’s a regional thing? Growing up I never heard bad things about unions, and when I found out the job I’m currently in is union I was pretty happy. For the record I’m in my early 30s in the Midwest, which is not exactly widely liberal.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Not at all. There is a very long history in the U.S. of anti-union propaganda and union busting. And the people who came of age in the 1970s and 1980s had actual psychologists working on them to persuade them that unions were a bad thing.

    The 1970s and 1980s were an altogether more hostile political and economic climate for organized labor.[26] Meanwhile, a new multi-billion dollar union buster industry, using industrial psychologists, lawyers, and strike management experts, proved skilled at sidestepping requirements of both the National Labor Relations Act and Landrum-Griffin in the war against labor unions.[40] In the 1970s the number of consultants, and the scope and sophistication of their activities, increased substantially. As the numbers of consultants increased, the numbers of unions suffering NLRB setbacks also increased. Labor’s percentage of election wins slipped from 57 percent to 46 percent. The number of union decertification elections tripled, with a 73 percent loss rate for unions.[37] The political environment has included the National Labor Relations Board and the U.S. Department of Labor failing to enforce the law against companies that repeatedly violate labor law.[41]

    Labor relations consulting firms began providing seminars on union avoidance strategies in the 1970s.[42] Agencies moved from subverting unions to screening out union sympathizers during hiring, indoctrinating workforces, and propagandizing against unions.[43]

    By the mid-1980s, Congress had investigated, but failed to regulate, abuses by labor relations consulting firms. Meanwhile, while some anti-union employers continued to rely upon the tactics of persuasion and manipulation, other besieged firms launched blatantly aggressive anti-union campaigns. At the dawn of the 21st Century, methods of union busting have recalled similar tactics from the dawn of the 20th Century.[44] The political environment has included the National Labor Relations Board and the U.S. Department of Labor failing to enforce the labor law against companies that repeatedly violate it.[41][45]

    en.wikipedia.org/…/History_of_union_busting_in_th…

    poppy ,

    Sorry, I wasn’t trying to dispute that anti-union had existed for decades. I was just trying to feel out why I’ve never heard people speak ill of unions or seen anti-union propaganda in my area. I don’t imagine we have a disproportionate amount of happy union workers to counteract the propaganda.

    tsonfeir , in Humpback sex photographed for first time – and both whales were male
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    HoMoSeXuAlItY doEsNt eXiSt iN NaAaATtuUuUurRrRrEEeEeeeeee

    RedditWanderer ,

    It’s Joe, he’s making the fucking whales gay, with the frogs.

    tsonfeir ,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    Joe Rogan or Joe Arpaio? 😇

    bitwaba ,

    Joe Stevens

    He’s my neighbor and acts like he’s got a 9-5, but I know he spends his off time in the basement with the light on thinking up new ways to enforce the global liberal agenda. Probably has posters of gay whales hung up in his office.

    bingbong ,

    Joe Blow

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    Joe Blowhole.

    csolisr ,

    Heckssake the atrazine already contaminated the plankton en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrazine…

    The_Cunt_of_Monte_Cristo ,
    @The_Cunt_of_Monte_Cristo@lemmy.world avatar

    What if they said “No homo” before having sex?

    logicbomb ,

    It must be the windmills turning them gay.

    tsonfeir ,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    It’s the WECs (wave energy converters)

    Rubisco , in U.S. Air Force member who set himself on fire outside Israeli Embassy in D.C. has died

    “As a tactic, self-immolation expresses a logic similar to the premise of the hunger strike. The protester treats himself or herself as a hostage, attempting to use his or her willingness to die to pressure the authorities. This strategy presumes that the authorities are concerned with the protester’s well-being in the first place.

    It is not willingness to die that will sway our rulers. They really fear our lives, not our deaths—they fear our willingness to act collectively according to a different logic, actively interrupting their order.”

    CrimethInc

    If you pull that trigger, Takeshi, it doesn’t all go away. Just you.
    -Quellcrist Falconer

    SendMePhotos ,

    Yo where is that quote from? Like is that a tv show, movie, philosopher?

    crapwittyname ,

    Altered Carbon.
    Very much worth a watch IMO

    olivebranch ,

    I think it is done to pressure the regular people to overthrow the government. Showing how important the issue is and how much he sacrificed himself just to motivate people, that everybody else can sacrifice far less by risking arrest overthrowing the government.

    Flumpkin ,

    “This is what our ruling class has decided will be normal.”
    – Aaron Bushnell

    whoelectroplateuntil , (edited )

    This strategy presumes that the authorities are concerned with the protester’s well-being in the first place.

    Actually, it presumes access to media outlets/social media who will help build pressure on authorities. It’s a pressure campaign tactic whose success or failure relies on building outside, non-state civil society support. By failing to engage with why people resort to tactics like hunger striking or self-immolation and just making shit up, the piece fails to really make its case.

    While I don’t support self-immolation as a tactic, the mentality this critique relies on enables the abuses that lead people to self-immolate or go on hunger strike to start with.

    BTW about 98% of everything CrimethInc publishes is exactly this off-base and unhelpful.

    paddirn , in 'Doom spending' takes hold among younger consumers

    When there’s almost no hope of owning a home ever, why bother saving? If I hadn’t gotten a home right before the housing market went to shit, I’d be discouraged too. As nice as it is seeing my little condo skyrocket in value, I’d rather all homeowners lost value in their homes if it meant home-buying was easier for more people. It doesn’t help having a place that’s doubled in value if every other home on the market has also doubled in value along with it.

    STOMPYI ,

    i don’t see peaceful ways out of this mess and that scares me

    ElleChaise ,

    The psychos see what happens in places where the ruling class gets what they want at all costs, and they still want the juice. Says everything you need to know about society.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    Helen is living in her car, trying to feed her kids
    She got laid off of work and her house was repossessed
    It's hard to think clearly when it's 38 degrees
    Desperate people have been known to render desperate deeds
    But when she shot that family and moved into their home
    The paper read she suffered from dementia

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    The Daily did a good piece about several weeks ago. youtu.be/MVVW0symuu8

    My reason to save was always retirement, end of life care, etc. And real talk, the money sink into my 401k is doing better than the money I’m sinking into the house I was lucky enough to score 5 years ago.

    My main reason to buy a house was not because real estate was a better investment for me. It wasn’t. Like many of us, I hated my landlords, hated the fact that nothing ever got fixed in my rentals, hated noisy neighbors that were a wall away, etc.

    xhieron ,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    Absolutely. It doesn’t matter what my house’s value is because I can’t afford to sell it. I couldn’t afford to replace it, and my house is the only realistic way I’ll be able to retire someday and actually have a roof over my head.

    Neato ,
    @Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

    It also screws people like you over. Changing homes is going to be hell. When prices rise the variance between an OK home and a pretty nice home will shrink. Just like rents are getting squeezed. There’s an upper cap on most types of homes in specific locations (at least until the corps buy them all) as there is with rent. So we’ll end up seeing houses that used to be $1-200k difference become a lot closer in price. Meaning why would anyone sell to downsize if the trade-off isn’t worth it?

    bane_killgrind ,

    Or a complete shit home and a meh home. Downsizing and lateral changes will result in big losses in equity.

    rudyharrelson ,

    If I hadn’t gotten a home right before the housing market went to shit, I’d be discouraged too.

    Same. My family hit the lottery when we decided to buy a house when the covid pandemic was tanking the market. Locked in a mortgage at around 2.25% and feel so privileged every day for it. The apartment we lived in at the time said they were upping the rent nearly 30% when we were due to renew, so we started looking at houses. We were incredibly lucky that we met someone entirely by chance who was planning on selling their home around the same time our apartment lease was due to renew. They never even listed their house on the market so we didn't have to deal with getting into a bidding war. And it was within our budget. And I got a raise at work right before we signed the papers (we were already gonna be able to afford it, but just barely). The stars aligned in so many ways at such an uncertain time in our lives.

    It's one of the few things that gives me comfort in trying times. So many things could go wrong, but we've got a house with a fixed mortgage and a very low interest rate and a half acre of land for our kid to run around and play in. I'd say my general anxiety levels have been lower since buying a house cause it just passively comforts me to have gotten so lucky. Even though maintaining a home is a big responsibility compared to renting an apartment, it's totally worth it, and I've enjoyed becoming more handy over the years as things have needed fixing.

    With any luck, we'll never move again. It's a nice place about 15 minutes from the nearest town, which is already a rural area, so there's little light pollution so the stargazing opportunities are nice. Hoping to eventually add some solar panels to the roof to lower the energy bill one of these days.

    If we were still living in a basic apartment and paying effectively the same amount in rent that we're currently paying in mortgage for a 3 bed 2 bath house with a garage, I'd be depressed as fuck about it every day.

    Coreidan ,

    Because there is more to life than just owning a home? How about having some buffer in the event you lose your job, or get sick, or a million other reasons. You’re way too fixated on the idea of owning a house.

    spongebue ,

    There’s more to it than the idea of owning a home. A 30-year fixed mortgage means your “rent” will be the same* for 30 years. Then you just… Don’t have to pay it any more. Need to move? That’s cool, you can just take that equity you’ve got and put it towards your next house.

    • yes, I know property tax and insurance is a thing. The bulk of the payment is for principal and interest
    Coreidan ,

    Totally. But just because you can’t afford to buy a home doesn’t mean you should blow your savings.

    An_Ugly_Bastard ,

    I’d like if home-buying was more affordable, but we are still stuck in the supply problem. My brother put his house on the market and priced it the highest any house in his neighbors sold for. He got an offer for that in 2 weeks. The housing value will crash if the market get flooded, but home builders don’t want that.

    NIB ,

    Dont you guys not have phones parents? You will get a house once they die. If you have siblings, tough luck, you will have to battle royale for the house.

    blahsay , in Marjorie Taylor Greene wants women to stop tempting Christian men

    Perhaps some kind of black full body sheet for women would help? You could cut a tiny hole so they can look out like a pillbox. Much easier than men showing a little self control.

    Republicans really don’t understand how much in common they have with certain people they hate.

    moistclump ,

    I always assumed that’s where the hatred comes from

    kent_eh ,

    Perhaps some kind of black full body sheet for women would help? You could cut a tiny hole so they can look out like a pillbox.

    Maybe she can lead by example.

    TheEighthDoctor , in Minneapolis mayor calls remote workers ‘losers’ who sit at home with a ‘nasty cat blanket, diddling on their laptop’

    Oh no, my feelings are so hurt … Hearing a politician teach me about work is like hearing a priest teach me about sex with an adult.

    postmateDumbass ,

    Just don’t knock anything off the altar desk and you’ll be fine.

    TengoDosVacas , in Indiana Launches Anti-LGBTQ "Snitch Line," Users Flood With Memes In Protest

    We gonna have to Stonewall all over again nationwide, aren’t we?

    I’m not gay myself, but the math is simple: is it human?..then it has human rights.

    tocopherol ,
    @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Well that’s the thing, the haters don’t think queers and non-white people are human.

    TengoDosVacas ,

    And that is why we STOP DEFENDING THEIR FREE SPEECH

    CileTheSane ,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    This isn’t the first time the christofacists have created a snitch line and had it filled with junk spam. What makes them think “this time it will work!”

    TengoDosVacas ,

    I’m sure they expect it. They’ll try to fascism with it anyway

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    A complete lack of self awareness

    CileTheSane ,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    A complete inability to learn from history.

    dumpsterlid , (edited )

    The thing about conservatives is they are babies, they can’t handle an actual policy discussion and they don’t care. They just want a story about a bad guy to hate and they don’t care about any aspect of reality that doesn’t interface with that story they like. In the conservative viewpoint of the world NOTHING matters except narratives pre-processed into those little applesauce juice packs for kids that they can slurp up without having to use a spoon.

    If you start talking about the boring reality of governments and movements (I hate that “organizing” is a perfectly accurate term for building movements lol but that’s exactly what the work is) how change happens through policy making and how those policies can have reallllly annoying details that make them backfire or have the opposite impact they are supposed to (CAFE regulations with trucks and gas mileage in the US) conservatives just shit their pants and start screaming at you.

    Conservatives would really like to be able to enjoy their baby food without someone else (them it is always them) making another steaming turd appear in their pants, ruining the whole experience yet another time, but it almost never happens which is why they are so angry all the time. They are babies.

    DrPop ,

    Conservatives like using numbers over statistics until it matters. I remember them comparing the BLM move protest to the Jan 6 insurrection by quoting property damage as a justification. I have to speak to their emotions and hopefully makes some sort of connection before I can even begin to get them to understand my side.

    dumpsterlid ,

    Exactly it is precisely like talking to a child

    MonsiuerPatEBrown , (edited ) in $3 for a single McDonald's hash brown? Some customers are fed up and pushing back

    I can’t believe that the US Government believes that a little more than two McDonald’s hash browns are worth one hour’s work.

    Fuck that. That isn’t dignity.

    asteriskeverything ,

    Maybe those lazy millennials would be able to buy a house if they stopped eating McDonald’s hash browns

    KinglyWeevil ,

    I’m just trying to pay for housing with my meager allotment of 80 hash browns per week

    JustUseMint ,

    💀

    WHARRGARBL , in Black man was holding sandwiches and keys when an Ohio deputy fatally shot him, prosecutor says

    A federal judge has paused the lawsuit against Meade and Franklin County until after the criminal case. The officer had argued that simultaneously defending himself in both cases would put him in a no-win situation.

    It seems a “no-win situation” is being Black while bringing sandwiches to Grandma’s house.

    ExLisper ,

    simultaneously defending himself in both cases would put him in a no-win situation.

    What is that even supposed to mean? He has to prove that his actions where justified. How is his a no-win situation? Is his plan to first argue that he’s innocent because he wasn’t trained correctly and acted out of fear and then claim in the second case that he actually received proper training?

    DreamlandLividity ,

    Seems to me like it would make more sense to want the cases to go simultaneously since the civil case can use any evidence and admissions from the criminal case.

    If they are tried at the same time, there is a chence that would not work because of deadlines to submit evidence.

    I have no idea what that argument is supposed to be.

    frezik ,

    Civil cases have a lower standard of evidence, and fifth amendment protection is weaker. Defendants can end up in a situation where they have to say something in a civil trial that then kills their defense in the criminal trial.

    On the flip side, if the criminal trial gets a conviction, then the civil trial is a lot easier.

    ExLisper ,

    Defendants can end up in a situation where they have to say something in a civil trial that then kills their defense in the criminal trial.

    What could be example of something like this in this case?

    TransplantedSconie , in Over 7,000 students see their lunch debts wiped after $1 million donation

    Sad that this is even a thing. The richest nation on earth should be able to give its future 2 square meals a day.

    Drusas ,

    But that would set them up with unreasonable expectations for adulthood! Gotta prepare them for their future of struggling to get by.

    assembly ,

    School lunch debt is the so incredibly dystopian that I hope 20-30 years from now people will have to use an internet search to find out what it meant to people in this decade. Like it’s so unabashedly wrong as a thing, I hope we look at like when Bayer made heroin and bloodletting was in practice.

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