The intentional shooting itself is all I need to know that the little kid has really significant issues that need to be treated. The fact that he bragged about it isn’t news; he’s six, I’m not expecting him to act maturely about anything.
My mom works in a school as a therapist for very mentally ill children. There are a few that have been sent to the bad kids school because of violence. I wouldn’t be surprised if she told me one of the kids shot someone.
I have a feeling that too many people are seeing a civil war through the lens of Hollywood - where you get to follow the hero and his/her ragtag group. They get into trouble, get hurt and knocked down but in the end they prevail and save the day/country. While there maybe blood and violence it’s never really too bad.
What I think people don’t understand or want to think about is how fucking miserable a full blown civil war would be for most everyone. Sure the mega-rich will be able to wall off the worst of it, but the 99% are going to feel it and it would suck.
So to all those people that are wishing for a civil war - fuck off. You will not be the Hollywood hero you think you will be, more than likely you will be one of 1,000’s of corpses littering the ground.
The super rich make bank on civil wars. A good and proper war in any developed country would make hundreds of new billionaires and thousands of new millionaires: the hugest wealth transfer in history for that unlucky country.
Meanwhile most of the patriots, true believers, on all sides, who fight, would be dead or maimed or locked up. With most others stuck in poverty , illness and bad leadership whoever won.
Its good business for Musk and company to give a little push now and then
You know the 99% percent will soon look for another 1% soon after they win, right? It’s America, without Rich guys to look up to you don’t have a culture or purpose.
You did a good job of enumerating my thoughts. I think that they think that war will be enable them to act out their power fantasy and line up how you’re saying.
I’ve found myself taking a paradoxically accelerationist stance about it, for this exact reason. At the moment, those on the right agitating for violence are a minority, and those that are actually prepared to act consist primarily of a few thousand militia LARPers and an even smaller number of actually-capable fighters. These groups are gradually accruing malcontents while the right wing’s filter bubble casts their ideas as acceptable, but the sooner those chuds decide to go loud, the more lopsided and emphatic the beatdown will be – provided that the armed forces are under the command of non-authoritarian President. Afterwards the public condemnation of insurrectionists will effectively choke off recruiting. Conflict feels almost inevitable at this point and giving the violent authoritarian fringe more time to plan and recruit only makes that conflict deadlier.
The only people wishing for civil war are too short-sighted to understand how horribly it would go for them. Ports, airports, water treatment plants, data centers, power stations etc etc etc predominantly located in urban areas. Good luck to the AR-15 loving whackjobs when they’re instantly landlocked and deprived of foreign trade and means to communicate. They turn on the TV and the only broadcasts they’d see are “this can end now and it all starts with you”
Probably millions of dead. The American Civil War only lasted four years and the death toll is somewhere between 650,000 and 1.5 million. A modern war would either be extremely quick or a long running insurgency that ends up with potentially millions dead.
I used to be pretty anti green day because they weren’t pink enough. The last few news articles I’ve seen they’ve really embodied punk in my eyes. I may not enjoy their older music but I’m loving what they stand for today.
They’re “not punk enough” in that they make a lot of money. They’ve “sold out” as people would say. I somewhat get the argument of “you aren’t punk if you participate in their system” but also we’re living under capitalism and everyone has to deal with it somehow.
That may not be Mike’s decision. Would you want to be in the family pictures of a family where the dad and son let each other know every time they spank it?
Besides, in a pinch couldn’t Biden step down and make Kamala the incumbent, and then they’d have to very stupidly argue that the incumbent wasn’t a valid candidate?
No deputies were injured, the sheriff’s office said.
Cowards with guns and itchy trigger fingers. Watching bodycam videos on YT, it’s incredible how risk-averse they are. It makes the inaction at Uvalde clearer.
Historically, all the force, money, and power the cops abuse are why the Templar Knights were eventually tried and burned at the stake for sex crimes, theft, and satanism. Same shit; different century.
Oddly enough the Knights were tortured to death for their hypocritically evil sexually perverse behavior. I don’t see that happened to these pigs any time soon though. But they will torture and murder you for doing nothing but having a bad day.
I watched one the other day where a black soldier in uniform was pulled over at night so he pulled into a gas station instead of stopping on the side of the dark road and the cops who pulled him over were super aggro about it and from the jump were pointing guns and yelling at him to get out of the vehicle. He put his hands out the window and was asking them what was going on and all they would do was continue screaming at him to do what they say and get out. One of the cops eventually walked all the way up to his window and pepper sprayed him. I think they cops got in trouble for it afterwards but it was so stupid. All they had to do was talk to the dude.
The best part is, is that pretty much every police department says to…if you get pulled over, to acknowledge the officer, and pull over where its safe, and to drive at low speed, to the nearest illuminated area.
and the second you do exactly that, the swat team is deployed and, if you manage to fucking survive, you end up on the ER with chemical burns at best, broken bones or gunshot at worst.
Following orders is not a guarantee to prevent being murdered, just look at Daniel Shaver.
Well things are about to get a whole lot worse. That raised fist is going to be printed on all the right-wing crazy stuff and they will use this to justify violence against anyone opposing Trump.
If my kids did that I’d be perfectly fine with them getting kicked out of school or even if the teachers wanted to press charges. I know teachers can be shitty but this is completely uncalled for unless they were actually doing those things
If they actually did those things, it wouldn’t be slander.
If I were to guess, I’d take it as “unless the kids knew/suspected with good reason they were doing those things”, because that’s how I would feel about it at least. I would still want to talk to them about appropriate responses and make sure they knew they could trust me, but kids don’t always know how to bring up adults’ misbehavior.
If it’s just a fluke, that would feel like an ends justifying the means situation.
I’d like to first of all say that I don’t see any reason to believe the teachers did this. I hope the police proceed under that assumption unless evidence leading otherwise turns up. My original comment was about why someone might not want their children punished as severely, if the teachers did in fact do these things to their students, but I don’t think it’s likely (and really hope it’s not the case).
It would be harassment whether or not it’s true, so the teachers would still have reason to sue.
That’s true, but it’s probably not a huge concern. Middle schoolers under that kind of pressure will react without thought to consequences and if their most grievous response is to harass their abusers, most courts would probably recognize that. I would still explain to them that they can trust me and that I’ll believe them if they tell me something like this in the future, before it gets to this point.
I just hope something happens with their parents too, because kids who do things like this tend to have shitty parents.
slander and mobbing. Those are prosecutable offenses.
No they aren’t. Slander is a civil tort (not criminal / not prosecutable), and “Mobbing” isn’t even a legal term, but to the best of my understanding is synonymous with “assembling”, which is constitutionally protected.
At worst, a student could be sued by a teacher, and these are middle schoolers, so it would be the parents being sued.
I think “assembling” in this context refers to collecting personal information about someone with the intend to steal someones identity. So yes, I guess the teachers could maybe sue for identity theft or online impersonation as well even if creating a fake social media profile for someone without their knowledge in itself does not seem to be a crime on a federal level. There seem to be some state laws concerning this tho - in Texas for example that can be a felony if I get this right. But also yes, that should be the parents’ problem, since minors are usually not criminally liable.
If so the kids might just got lucky in that regard. There seems to be or at least there was a bill in Pennsylvania that would make online impersonation a crime with a maximum sentence of two years in prison and a 5000$ fine. I assume that this story is likely to fuel the discussion about this bill again, if it has not already been enacted into law yet.
Man they bringin RICO against these kids. “Assembling”. Mobbing someone means attacking them as a group. One of the kids is gonna flip and he’s gonna go life the rest of his life in Timbuktu.
If my kids did that I’d be perfectly fine with them getting kicked out of school or even if the teachers wanted to press charges.
Just a reminder that these are middle schoolers, if it were your kid, and a teacher decided to sue, it would be you getting sued for the behavior of a child you didn’t raise correctly.
So don’t try to take the high road here. If your kid did something like this, it would be because you were a shitty parent who didn’t teach them basic right and wrong.
“I’d let the state punish them on my behalf” is just revealing the issue: you expect other people to raise your kids.
People seem to think we have the ability to control our kids to a huge degree.
Plenty of children with amazing, loving upbringings turn into garbage people. And some of the nicest most kind people I know were raised by abusive scum.
Plus teenage years are difficult for most kids as they find their place in the world and their friends have almost as much influence as parents at that time.
You also can’t know what teenagers are doing all the time. Especially at school.
Furthermore some people seem to just be born assholes and it doesn’t matter how you raise them.
I’m going to assume you don’t have teenagers. They can change into a different person overnight once the hormones kick in.
Yeah, it’s one of those things a parent can’t control, undue influences. Not just media, but other students and even adults who find their way into a child’s life and attempt to influence them.
I dislike the nature argument since it’s often used to entirely sidestep the nurture argument. I think that maybe it might be better as a society to restrict children(not legally) from, or atleast reduce their usage of, social networking and social media sites, atleast until their teens.
The idea that parents actually have or even should have complete control over their kids is laughable. Did you perfectly obey all of your parents wishes while you were young, even when they were not watching?
He’s not talking about obedience, he’s talking about liability. There’s a difference between raising your kid to take out the garbage on command and raising them to be functional people. These parents failed that second aspect. And yes, they are in fact responsible for letting their little sociopaths out of the house.
This isn’t 2+2=5. It’s not forgetting to pay for your groceries one time. It’s not even tying your shoe laces in a knot instead of a nice bow. Those are mistakes.
This is a group of kids setting out to humiliate and potentially incriminate teachers at their school for apparently no good goddamn reason according to this article. This is a group of sociopaths failed by their parents. Yes, the children should be punished. The parents should also be punished. Idk how that punishment should go, but IMHO it should involve mandatory community service at a soup kitchen every weekend for a year or two.
No, even good kids are capable of making much more severe mistakes depending on their environment. To really judge we’d have to go through their social media exposure whatever trends/cultures were going around the school at the time.
Don’t forget, this is America where a former President and current candidate supported Qanon. People, especially kids, are vulnerable to being misled.
People, especially kids, are vulnerable to being misled.
And this is exactly the time to teach them that this is not acceptable behavior. Sometimes, the best lessons in life are when you learn what to NOT do.
Reading some of these responses, I swear these people are armchair parents. There’s an entire science of nature vs nurture. Nurture also includes peers and group acceptance and even the best of kids sometimes do horrible, shitty, stupid things for nurture of their peers.
It’s like they do not want to entertain that this happens. Head. In. The. Sand.
Source: Am parent with a good kid who is learning to push boundaries, entering the teen years soon, and sometimes does stupid shit even when I taught him better. I was also the good kid that did stupid fucking shit every once in a while despite having parents who taught me better/right v wrong.
Clearly they were already punished, and inappropriately so. Nobody “taught” the students to act like little sociopaths in the same way nobody “teaches” your puppy to shit on the floor. This is, in fact, the direct result of a lacking education. This education is not taught in schools outside maybe pre-k, as children are expected to act civilly in a classroom, let alone middle schoolers.
This attack has nothing to do with being “functional people”.
I am not much of a functional person — can’t kept a job, terrible social life, etc — and I would never run this kind of attack on a person let alone join a group to do it en masse.
Being functional has nothing to do with this thing. This is about evil.
You’d be surprised at just how little the average voter knows about politics. There’s a reason a lot of people wish politics would go back to being boring and not something everyone talked about.
Indeed. Pretty much everyone I know over the age of 50 gets all of their news from Fox/CNN and maybe facebook. They’re oblivious and make up the majority of the people that actually go and vote.
Tribalism and decades right wing propaganda mean that they’ll vote for anyone on the GOP ticket, even when they are clearly terrible and debatably conservative.
I mean, it’s pretty clear Trump was very close with Epstein, and that already paints a very bad picture, but it seems like the whole Jane Doe case never got anywhere, and no one is sure she even exists.
Days before Laundrie killed Petito, police officers pulled them over in Utah after witnesses reported seeing the couple fighting; at least one witness said that they saw Laundrie hit Petito. Police did not interview this witness and instead determined Petito to be the aggressor […] One of the two officers had a history of allegedly committing domestic violence, including allegations that he threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend when he worked at the police department in another Utah town.
I was about to ask if I could be transferred to that alternate universe, but maybe I’d actually like to be transferred to one where 2016 went drastically differently.
How did we ever get to the point where an MBA is a highly respected degree? Those skills have no utility on their own and yet we allow essentially uneducated people to run basically all businesses. I want to see engineers run companies that make things, chefs run restaurants, and doctors run hospitals, not these idiots whose only skills involve making graphs and excel sheets.
Sounds great expect that most small business owners do a shit job of running the operations of a business. At best they stumble through it. It’s just not their passion to deal with legalities, OSHA, taxes, payroll, accounts payable, accounts receivable, etc.
The problem with MBAs is that they have little or no practical experience with the business they’re running (seasonality, how to motivate employees, etc). There are some good MBAs out there but there are so many more poor ones. They aren’t looking at the human factor at all. It’s a space that the universities don’t teach for. Everything is KPI related instead. That’s their ultimate downfall.
It’s just not their passion to deal with legalities, OSHA, taxes, payroll, accounts payable, accounts receivable, etc.
All of that should be handled by lawyers, accountants, and finance people. The MBA is not generally the one doing any of that directly though. They’re the ones managing the people that do that work and telling them what to prioritize. And therein lies the problem as you correctly pointed out; those are all secondary business functions. They are important parts of any business but are not the fundamental driver of any real business. What the company makes or sells or consults about or whatever else is the actual business and MBAs don’t generally know a thing about that part. Letting them steer all of the corporate ships in America is a huge miscalculation and it’s also a big part of why things are getting more and more fucked up for everybody.
They aren’t looking at the human factor at all.
That is an important point. It’s also a pretty good summary of the problem. MBAs ignore everything that made a business successful (people being a huge factor here) and focus on eternally increasing profits, which inevitably leads to making the product as shitty as it can possibly be while still somewhat meeting expectations, and even that last part is becoming less and less important.
I am an engineer so take what you like from that information. I know the stereotype well but the best business leaders I’ve ever worked with directly were good engineers before they were anything else. I don’t think it’s possible to have a sustainable business plan without a rigorous understanding of every part of the process of making whatever it is that you’re selling. There isn’t anyone out there who knows that better than the engineers who design and build it.
Dog, we’re all engineers. And the worst business leaders I’ve ever worked with directly were good engineers before they got promoted into positions of management (or started their own terrible business, as the case might be) in which they had no business being because the skill requirements for engineering are not automatically transferable to managing people. It’s called the Peter Principle, and there’s some real truth to it.
Haha yeah that’s true but I don’t think it negates what I’m saying. Some people aren’t cut out for management and that’s perfectly fine. However, getting an MBA isn’t going to change you from one type of person to the other. Assuming that the basic characteristics of a manager are present in either case then I absolutely believe that an engineer will make a better high level leader than an MBA.
However, getting an MBA isn’t going to change you from one type of person to the other.
Sure, an MBA is sort of useless. Management is largely based around personality. And you can’t really teach personality. It’s the same way for a lot of professions, like teaching, actually. In fact, I’d say the management pool should be drawn from people who were accomplished high school teachers. There’s a lot of crossover there in terms of organization, planning, and dealing with a bunch of people who all hate the work you make them do.
I’d rephrase it to be, “People who’ve worked their way up the ranks within the company have the most experience at all levels and understand what it takes to provide a good product. Those people can make good managers.”
Jag-offs that graduate Stanford and just want to extract money are leaches and should be salted immediately.
I’m honestly curious about a source for your perspective on the first sentence. I’ve seen firsthand where the USAF negotiated on an international level for enlisted Airmen over a DUI. This particular case was in Japan and while the Airman had to serve his term as dictated by the Japanese courts, he was aloud to do so in a US Military facility, which was a significantly higher QOL for that Airman.
I couldn’t find an article while looking for a minute, but it’s been quite a few years. I also promise that skin tone was not a distinguishing factor.
At the end of the day, though, I would simply like information on your perspective, not to convince you to change.
Japan is an ultraconservative hellhole, their law & justice system is probably the most backwards in the first world. Their crime management is pretty much just fascism many times, extremely out of proportion punishments for the crimes, and if the government accuses you of something and it goes to trial, you’re basically toast. They all but torture you while you’re being processed, often times they use harsh treatment to try to force a confession out of you before trial. The state prosecutor also has no legal obligation to present all the facts, they have a lot of freedom to cherrypick and withhold information relevant to the trial in order to make the defendant look as guilty as possible.
They have a 99.8% criminal conviction rate.
Japanese inmates are often treated inhumanely, the way Japan treats prisoners regularly would be considered a human rights violation in most western countries.
Imagine how Republicans treat criminals, and multiply it by a hundred. Japanese society/government HATES anything that’s out of order and does all it can to stamp out any “deviance” from norms. This usually results in them treating financial crimes, theft, drugs, etc. extremely harshly, but doing pretty much nothing about crimes like sexual harassment & sexual assault, which are kind of culturally prevalent or even slightly acceptable in Japan. Legally rape victims are treated far worse than rapists. You’d even probably be treated leniently for DUI as long as it wasn’t a taboo/illegal drug (i.e., if it’s alcohol).
The reason urban Japan seems so nice and orderly is similar to the reason that the streets of Pyongyang seem so clean and behaved. Extremely terrible treatment of people who step out of line, except in Japan it’s mostly culturally than politically. There’s a reason they’re known for suicide and hikikomoris.
It is a very common misconception that Japan is very progressive because of anime and the extremely rampant sexualization/objectification of women in the form of cute/funny things like panty dispensing machines and wacky television game shows and cat girls, and in general Japanese stuff just being very bright and bouncy and all that. But it’s very misleading, their culture obsessed with cuteness/“kawaii” stems from an attempt to radically and rapidly distance their cultural image from that of Imperial Japan. They definitely succeeded in changing the world’s perception of them, but they didn’t address their deep societal issues which were in part caused by the US basically controlling their politics after WW2.
I should point out though that not all Japanese prisons are dystopian torture chambers. But you still get very few rights and freedoms while imprisoned, even socializing may be completely forbidden.
Yeah, Japanese prisons are actually horrible. You basically have zero leeway in anything you do. You’re basically expected to sit quietly in your cell for 20 hours of the day. The rest of your time is spent either quietly eating, or kneeling quietly in the yard during your mandated outdoor time. Punishments for non-conformity are strict and swift, and guards aren’t afraid to beat you senseless for speaking out of turn.
Japan is actually extremely conservative, and that really shows in their justice system. They have a near 100% conviction rate after someone is arrested, because there are basically zero protections for the accused. No right to a defense lawyer, prosecution can exclude exculpatory evidence, police can drug and beat you to force a confession, etc… Only 0.2% of accused people are actually found innocent. And no, I didn’t mean 2%. I mean 99.8% of arrests lead to a conviction.
They have a large amount of tolerance for socially “normal” crimes like public intoxication, (the stereotype of the drunken Japanese businessman stumbling home at 2AM is very real,) but if it’s a socially unacceptable crime (like petty theft) or if you’re a foreigner, then they’ll throw the book (and basically the entire library) at you. The Yakuza is basically allowed to operate openly, as long as they don’t bother the normal citizens. But if you’re accused of smoking weed, you can expect to die in prison.
Own country vs other countries. Doesn’t matter what a US soldier did in other countries, if it can be swept under the rug, it will. Own country, they don’t give a shit.
Americans getting arrested in other countries is “a great injustice”. If American cops kill an American, nobody cares.
Look at what the US has done to protect obviously guilty Americans from facing any type of consequence from committing crimes abroad. Stuff like the woman who killed a motorcyclist in the UK because she was driving the wrong way, or the airmen that killed scores of people by flying into a gondola cable in Italy.
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