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PugJesus , in Musk's Starlink backtracks and says it will comply with judge's order to block X in Brazil

Pussy. Go on, Elon. Make your companies play chicken with a national government. I’m sure every other national government out there will definitely back you up, because making a company above the law (without paying the requisite bribes) is DEFINITELY something that national governments want to normalize!

blaine ,

Starlink satellites are (quite literally) above the law. Until Brazil develops a space force to go seize them out of orbit, it seems like Elon can do whatever the fuck he wants.

zbyte64 ,

You can jam the signal with very little power, and you can prevent people in Brazil from paying for the service.

ayyy ,

The links require a station on the ground, and services must be paid for monthly. Those are two things a local government can control pretty effectively.

JeeBaiChow , in Musk's Starlink backtracks and says it will comply with judge's order to block X in Brazil

Typical. Send the lawyers first to intimidate. Then get told you have no case. Then walk back tail between legs.

breakingcups ,

All while loudly mouthing off

BeatTakeshi ,
@BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world avatar

Hey happy Lemmy bday! Nice little cake!

uienia ,

Sounds a bit like how he ended up with twitter in the first place

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I love that he is so stupid that he didn’t realize he could back out of a legality by saying, “LOL JK.”

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

He’s got a huge clean ai dataset

billiam0202 , in Supreme Court won’t allow Oklahoma to reclaim federal money in dispute over abortion referrals

Clinics cannot use federal family planning money to pay for abortions, but they must offer information about abortion at the patient’s request, under the federal regulation at issue.

Okay, so women who ask about abortion must be given information about it. I assume, in Oklahoma, that information is “get out of state.”

Oklahoma argues that it can’t comply with a requirement to provide abortion counseling and referrals because the state’s abortion ban makes it a crime for “any person to advise or procure an abortion for any woman.”

Seems like there’s a super simple solution to this problem.

The administration said it offered an accommodation that would allow referrals to the national hotline, but the state rejected that as insufficient.

I assume that “rejected that as insufficient” means “gave the feds the bird”?

Oklahoma says it distributes the money to around 70 city and county health departments for family planning, infertility help and services for adolescents. For rural communities especially, the government-run health facilities can be “the only access points for critical preventative services for tens or even hundreds of miles,” Oklahoma said in its Supreme Court filing.

Again, seems like a super simple way to fix this, assuming, you know, that !OK actually wants to help its citizens, and isn’t just granstanding for political points or something.

Nastybutler ,

They’ll cut off their nose to spite the libs

Stopthatgirl7 OP , in Man allegedly drugged wife's dinner then invited more than 50 other men over to rape her
@Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world avatar
activ8r ,

Right, that’s enough internet for me today.

some_guy ,

Holy shit, how does it get worse. Of course it does. The daughter:

Ms Darian told Le Parisien this week that she was haunted by the fear her father may have invited some of the men to rape her after a picture of her “in someone else’s underwear” was found on his computer.

Gisèle Pélicot has waived her right to anonymity to insist that her rape trial remains public so “this never happens again”.

Mrs Pélicot insisted the trial should not go on behind closed doors because “that’s what her attackers would have wanted”, said Antoine Camus, one of her lawyers.

This lady is a fucking badass. I can’t respect anyone more than I respect her for this move.

phoneymouse , in Musk's Starlink backtracks and says it will comply with judge's order to block X in Brazil

Elon Musk is picking fights with everyone these days.

Thrillhouse ,

I wonder when he’ll go to rehab. He’s so unhinged.

buttfarts ,

He’s testing the limits of “fuck you” money expect “you” are national governments

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Everyone except fascists

Tyfud ,

Why would he pick a fight with the only group in the world that currently supports him?

bradorsomething , in Federal judge rejects Donald Trump’s request to intervene in wake of hush money conviction

Tell me you wrote yourself a federal pardon without telling me you wrote yourself a federal pardon.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You can’t federally pardon state-level crimes.

One_Honest_Dude ,

Correct, which is why trump has been trying to have his state charges changed to federal charges.

N0body , in Musk's Starlink backtracks and says it will comply with judge's order to block X in Brazil

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

ravhall ,

As someone who had a plan until I got hit in the face, I agree.

Samvega ,

My plan was to get punched in the face!!! Yet again, I am ahead of the curve!!!

ravhall ,

If they swing first, it’s self defense. Good plan.

SpaceNoodle ,

Great plan, Face McPunchy

lolcatnip ,

But what was your plan after that? Everyone has a plan until the plan is complete.

zbyte64 ,

To get face punched again ofc.

Reverendender ,

We’re supposed to have plans?!

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Some people plan to get punched in the face. Don’t kink shame.

Icalasari , in Musk's Starlink backtracks and says it will comply with judge's order to block X in Brazil

How long until Elon throws a fit and fires people at Starlink until they ignore judge's orders?

winterayars ,

I’m guessing the Starlink investors had a chat with him about a potential breach of fiduciary duty lawsuit. That’s a stupid concept but Musk isn’t going to win if he deep sixes Starlink for his petty vendetta.

Icalasari ,

Eh, still feels like a good chance he'd let his ego get in the way of sanity

winterayars ,

Oh i’m sure he argued with them. Starlink didn’t back down right away, after all…

jaybone ,

Couldn’t they have done something similar at Twitter?

winterayars ,

Twitter (aka X) probably has a different set of investors who may be happier using it to advance the cause of right wing extremism than the Starlink investors. That said: i thought Starlink was a publicly traded company but it appears it still isn’t so it’s just private investors there, too.

someguy3 ,

The employees don’t care, it’s the company that will get in trouble.

Subverb , in Stephen King gives blunt three-word response after discovering Florida banned 23 of his books in schools

“The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.”

Love that book. There’s some sad sex in it and a very unsympathetic preacher, but overall pretty tame by King standards.

theherk ,

I absolutely loved the entire series. I miss Eddie and Susannah, and I want to reread it again now.

Facebones ,

I’m just happy to find other people who read them. ❤️

Dkarma ,

I kennit sai

Thrillhouse , in China-linked ‘Spamouflage’ network mimics Americans online to sway US political debate

Let’s be real they’re not just doing it to the US.

parpol , in China-linked ‘Spamouflage’ network mimics Americans online to sway US political debate

Whenever I see any news that portrays China in a good light (e.g. Chinese chip industry, Chinese renewables, car manufacturing, etc) I always assume it is Chinese propaganda by a bot or a shill.

Whenever I see an influencer in China, I am almost certain they’ve been paid to promote and have strict guidelines on what to say and not to say.

N0body ,

Talk about Tiananmen Square. Any real user would have no restrictions talking about that.

praise_idleness ,

That’s a nice way to live but believe me there are plenty of volunteers on hexbear and lemmy.ml for that, which is even dumber than anything.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what I was going to say. China doesn’t need this “spamouflage” network when they have so many useful idiots.

vxx ,

Someone needs to feed them. They don’t get that stuff in a vacuum.

zante ,

That’s an astonishing way to consume news, but at least you acknowledge your bias.

Astronauticaldb ,

Given the political climate of the past checks watch 9 years, I’d say it’s better to be skeptical of any news whatsoever.

Mountain_Mike_420 ,

It’s honestly catering to the lowest common denominator. Idiots who lack any critical thinking skills at all. Unfortunately my sister is one of them. She is constantly spamming misinformation on her Facebook wall. Whenever I let her know that what she posted is wrong/fake/made up she takes it down but like why were you so gullible to share it in the first place?

parpol ,

Have you noticed anything else strange about her lately? For example, does she claim your plate at dinner, or constantly fight with you about which part of the bathtub is her part?

That’s not your sister, you might be living with Xi Jinping.

orclev ,

There was only one Chinese “influencer” I had any respect for, and then she stopped making videos after putting up a video explaining how she got grabbed by the police and warned to be more careful what she says. Absolutely nobody actually living in China can be trusted at all, they’re basically all hostages.

Astronauticaldb ,

Pretty much the only thing I trust about China at face value is Wukong lol

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

that just sounds like racism

(obligatory “overthrow the CCP remember tiananmen square, end uyghur genocide, and free inner mongolia, tibet, and hong kong” so i don’t get downvoted)

Feathercrown ,

Disliking a country is different from disliking a people.

Annoyed_Crabby , in Musk's Starlink backtracks and says it will comply with judge's order to block X in Brazil

Dude finally found an immovable object outside of US.

Ep1cFac3pa1m , in China-linked ‘Spamouflage’ network mimics Americans online to sway US political debate
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

The internet was a mistake

ravhall , in Musk's Starlink backtracks and says it will comply with judge's order to block X in Brazil

The one time I’ll side with musk: it’s in the fucking sky! You can’t block it! It’s not anyone’s jurisdiction.

breakingcups ,

What a dumb take. They are partaking in the Brazilian economy, are they not? They are accepting payment from Brazilians, providing them with telecommunication services. Distributing terminals. Do you think telecom operators should just have the option to completely ignore the local laws if one aspect of their business crosses an international border?

ravhall ,

In the case of providing unblocked internet to the masses? Yes. No government has the right to cut people off from news they aren’t able to suppress.

Do you think a government should have the right to block its citizens from information? This isn’t China we’re talking about, although at this rate there will be a Great Firewall of Brazil in no time.

mycodesucks ,
@mycodesucks@lemmy.world avatar

The government absolutely has the right to cut people off of certain information. If you disagree, try to share some classified secrets, or some child porn and see how well it goes down. The disagreement here is on where the line is drawn on what information falls under that umbrella, and as a sovereign democratic nation, that is Brazil’s call to make, not musk’s or yours. You might have an argument if this was a dictatorship/one party state, but it is not. Still, I’m sure you were equally vocal when Musk was censoring for those.

ravhall ,

Doesn’t sound very democratic, but that word gets misused pretty often. Agree to disagree.

mycodesucks ,
@mycodesucks@lemmy.world avatar

Democratic doesn’t mean libertarian. Democratic means that everyone gets a voice in deciding the direction things go. The people made their choice at the ballot box, and that was Lula, and Lula seems to be on board with the court’s decision and isn’t inclined to push legislation or executive action to change it. If people decide they don’t like the decision that’s been made, their government will adjust or it will be replaced by another at the ballot box. That’s exactly how it’s supposed to work.

ravhall ,

“Supposed to work”

You’re correct—but…

mycodesucks ,
@mycodesucks@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, it’s not as neat and clean as that and I acknowledge that, but at the end of the day, a tautological approach to either free speech or censorship is detrimental in either direction. Worries about censorship going too far ARE justified, but there ARE situations where it is necessary, and more exacting and precise public discussions about and decisions on what is fair game for censorship and what isn’t is the solution, not the understandably visceral reaction to censorship in general.

ravhall ,

If there are concerns about the speech that is being used on a network, then the government should find the person talking and ask them to stop. They should not be able to take away everyone’s voice because a select few are abusing it

mycodesucks , (edited )
@mycodesucks@lemmy.world avatar

…which is a dangerous violation of the freedom of privacy and has resulted in the imprisonment of government critics in many countries like Saudi Arabia, where X has happily given user identifying information on request.

Also, nobody’s voice is taken away. The government isn’t making people stop talking. The originally requested deplatformed users were more than welcome to go to another platform. And the shutting down of X in general? They’ve shut down a platform that was blatantly and flagrantly violating the law. There are hundreds of others platforms to choose from. Heck, you can still go outside, go to the park, and yell. Always could. Do not conflate freedom of speech with the entitlement to a particular audience.

Aceticon ,

“Your rights stop were other people’s rights start” is Democracy.

The concept you have in mind were some people’s rights are endless and unhindered by other people’s rights - in other words, are supreme - is called Authoritarianism.

ravhall ,

Authoritarianism is telling me I can’t go to a website.

TachyonTele ,

I agree. The government should make it illegal for the people to use, and enforce that law.

Sounds familiar?

ravhall ,

Yep. They can go door to door and put people in jail. See how long that works out for that government.

But there should be an internet that operates in a space that cannot be blocked by a government. That prevents authoritarian control of communications they deem to be against their government.

Sound familiar?

zbyte64 ,

– Lenin, State and Revolution

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry… you think the democratic thing would be to legalize child porn?

Willy , (edited )

isp’s and even governments should not be in charge of censoring content. child porn and state secrets and even twitter can be illegal without forcing an isp to censor peoples internet. for years I’ve seen lemmy and reddit fight for net neutrality and common carrier status, but as soon as elon is involved the hate boner takes over. lemmy is so weird.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

How exactly do you take down child porn without censoring it?

Willy , (edited )

you deal with the people doing it and not with the people who control the pipes.

edit. I see the part of my comment that was confusing and I edited it without removing it. i still have more nuance to that part of the statement but its more than I’m willing to type and just muddys my point.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Again, how do you take down the child porn without the ISP helping?

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

And if the people doing it are from another country?

ravhall ,

If the internet is being used to distribute child porn would you ban the internet?

You can’t just keep banning everything that is used to commit a crime, because criminals will find a way to use everything to commit crimes.

Yeah, that telegram porn accusation is pretty disappointing, but let’s not pretend for a moment that any government actually gives a shit about it. It’s being used to have conversations they can’t see, and that’s why they are using child porn—the silver bullet—to take them down.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

If the internet is being used to distribute child porn would you ban the internet?

You would ban the site, and any company refusing to ban the site (FREE SPEECH!!!) would then also be banned.

ravhall ,

But that doesn’t fix the issue. They switch sites. You have to ban the internet.

Tobberone ,

Had blocking news and access to information been in the cards, as you describe, there would be another discussion. This is not it. The closest this comes is to block a linkaggregator. One that has been deemed to violate the laws in its area of business and being reluctant to take steps to rectify the situation.

This being the supreme court doing it does bring up the question of democratic decision making, which famiously has been proven by other countries recently. Although they also gave their president the power to remove themselves from office, if I’ve understood that particular debacle correctly.

twistypencil ,

That isn’t what is happening here. To do that the government of Brazil would have to block all internet providers to keep them from accessing need and information

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

providing unblocked internet to the masses

Ask Ukraine about that supposedly unblocked access.

But that’s okay because Elon decided he was stopping Ukraine from being defeated by… sinking all of Russia’s ships.

ravhall ,

I see this and say that Elon is a cunt. He should not have done this. It should NEVER be shut down and NEVER NOT be available.

TachyonTele ,

Twitter is not a god given right.

ravhall ,

I agree. The government should make it illegal for the people to use, and enforce that law. The sky internet is available to all.

TachyonTele ,

You’ve completely lost the plot.

ravhall ,

You never had a point.

TachyonTele ,

Just because you refuse to listen to anyone it doesn’t mean they don’t have a point.

ravhall ,

Just because I refuse to agree doesn’t mean I’m not listening.

TachyonTele ,

Yes we know you don’t agree with the law. Blahblahblah

ravhall ,

Do you agree with all laws?

TachyonTele ,

You’ve said you do agree, and you’ve said you don’t agree to the same exact law. You can’t even concern troll consistently.

Better luck next time.

ravhall ,

To clarify:

I agree that they can make a law, although I disagree with it.

I don’t agree that they can force starlink to do anything, because it operates outside of their jurisdiction—space.

They can tell their citizens not to use it, but enforcing that is on them.

TachyonTele ,

Again, you lost the plot and have no idea what cause and effect is. This is your life right now.

ravhall ,

You’re just made up of insults, not knowledge.

TachyonTele ,

You keep telling yourself that.
Try reading the articles and following what’s going on before you spend two more days concern trolling.

ravhall ,

They are mad at X (Twitter), and so they took it out on a separate ISP (starlink) that only has Elon in common, but it otherwise not associated.

Thats like threatening Comcast, or whatever ISP you have in your area, to take their business from them if they don’t ban Facebook.

If I’m missing something, please elaborate.

aTun ,

Twitter isn’t news. Just rumors and mostly useless.

ravhall ,

Is anything news anymore? It all seems like a bunch of speculation and rumors. Lots of “something could happen!” Don’t get me started on breakthrough scientific advancements. 🤪

The thing is, if it weren’t for Twitter, and other similar networks, things like Gaza would be squashed by the press.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

it’s in the fucking sky! You can’t block it! It’s not anyone’s jurisdiction.

You would find that all countries’ telecom and aerospace authorities disagree with this argument

ravhall ,

A country’s airspace does not extend into space. A nation’s sovereignty over its airspace typically ends at the point where outer space begins, but there is no universally agreed-upon boundary between airspace and outer space.

Most commonly, the boundary is considered to be at the Kármán line, which is located at an altitude of 100 kilometers (62 miles) above sea level. Everything below this is generally considered sovereign airspace, while everything above it is considered international space, not subject to any one country’s control.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

🏅

Congrats, here’s a pedant pendant

ravhall ,

It’s not pedantic to educate people on the Kármán line. Otherwise they would say inaccurate things like “everything above them is theirs, forever” which is obviously not true.

zbyte64 ,

I’m pretty sure whoever stands directly under the moon owns it

ravhall ,

Gotta put a flag on it.

r00ty Admin ,
r00ty avatar

Because, starlink and their investors probably want users in Brazil to be able to pay them for using the service. And, you know without the government's support that would likely become a problem.

explodicle ,

No problem, Elon can eat his own Doge food.

ravhall ,

I’m sure they would change their mind if there were more taxes

zbyte64 ,

I bet the investors were also worried other governments would notice this product as explicitly undermining their sovereignty. I’m sure that goes over well with regulatory agencies all over.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Things that are in the sky:

✅️ satellites ❌️ users ❌️ employees ❌️ company ❌️ offices ❌️ lawyers ❌️ money

ByteOnBikes , in Oregon hospital hit with $303M lawsuit after a nurse is accused of replacing fentanyl with tap water

She replaced it with TAP WATER. If you inject something that’s sterile, at least they won’t DIE. Putting pure nonsterile tap water right into people’s blood stream leads a lot of confusing infections that can easily be traced back.

This lady was a moron and killed multiple people because she apparently doesn’t understand basic medical practice.

I cannot explain how crazy this is. Like medical knowledge 101.

Reverendender ,

Second degree assault does not seem to cut it here

ravhall ,

She was diverting meds.

RippleEffect ,

Her intention was theft of the fentanyl. Everything else was secondary.

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