…I know I’m a piece of shit, but I kinda hope they do and succeed… Biden isn’t doing us any favors by refusing to leave and securing our loss and the fucking DNC going behind the backs of everyone to rush a “digital vote” earlier than scheduled just to force the issue that biden wont be changing… Maybe his assassination will inspire people to actually fucking vote
Honestly when Trump wins I won’t shed a tear for the heads of the DNC that literally roll. They deserve it for what they’ve done to us. We could have had real candidates for decades now, but they always have their fingers in the pie, messing it up for the rest of us…
They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else.
Don’t get me wrong, biden’s administration has done amazing work. We are just so focused on the stupid horse race that we’re not actually picking a leader.
The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist. He has surrounded himself with competent people who are quietly doing a great job of running the government.
They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else
Nope.
We wanted fair and open primaries were progressive leaning states didn’t have their delegates stolen and every state gets a chance to vote before it’s over rather than 4-5 states handpicked by the DNC because they vote moderate.
That increases turnout in the general.
What happened was undemocratic and depresses turnout helping Republicans
The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist
If Biden wasn’t a narcissist he’d put the safety of the country over his own ambition to stay in the White House after it took 36 years to get the big chair.
Yeah, I didn’t point it out earlier, but you were already changing goalposts in the prior response.
President is not just signing bills, but also leading Democrats, and negotiates with Republicans to get bills passed. How do you think the bill to help Ukraine passed in April? Johnson just had a change of heart out of nowhere
This is why trump accomplished very little legislatively, he basically doesn’t know about making compromises.
Because he maybe did bad in the first debate (because apparently looking more energetic is more important than actually making sense), but his administration does an excellent governing job.
We already know how he is governing, what his foreign policy is.
(farming) …executive order directing agencies across the government to promote competition and take on monopolies.
(pot) … executive order directing the Department of Health and Human Services to conduct a review of all available cannabis science
(AI) … executive order starts the clock for more than a dozen federal agencies to figure out what the gold standard for “safe, secure and trustworthy” AI handling should be for their own operations
And that’s just the little stuff you didn’t notice – not the big stuff like the SAVE Plan for student debt (also an executive order) or caregiver support.
I guess that is besides the point, which seems to be redefining everything Biden has done as ineligible. I’m guessing you’d say Regan gets no credit for ending the Berlin Wall since HE didn’t tear it down.
Your three examples of Biden accomplishing something…
Is three times he told federal agencies to “look into” things?
No examples of him actually doing anything?
That’s the best you can find?
Quick edit:
Can we skip ahead to where you say no president has power to do anything?
Then I point out how that undermines Biden’s entire campaign and means the only thing that’s important is picking a popular and charismatic candidate and Biden is both historically unpopular and while charismatic for an 81 year old that’s not a very high standard?
Those weren’t MY points. It was just proof you do not choose to read. You said:
Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.
The reply was the politico piece, and you claimed nothing on it counted. I checked. You were wrong. I posted 3 you missed and added two more (with links) which you ALSO ignored.
I didn’t bother with obvious stuff like defending Ukraine, strengthening alliances that had faltered, or surging the economy (especially since I think most economic stuff is a lagging indicator if under any Presidential control at all). If you weren’t going to read the politico article, why waste my time? I only waste my time now so the trolling becomes obvious to all.
Lmao this is what you came up with? Most of these aren’t “progressive” especially when 4-5 are pushing more military or escalating trade wars. Plus are you really trying to say this is a major win
Biden scraps Trump’s paint scheme for Air Force One
Plus producing more oil than ever is on there as well. Like that’s not a win that’s completely counter to helping climate change.
That’s some dumb thinking. You can’t just shut down oil production without first developing alternatives, you would tank the entire economy when you were recovering from a recession caused by the pandemic.
You need to first invest in developing infrastructure, make sure the majority will start using alternative fuel and then you reduce production.
Counting that as a win is crazy, that was the point of my response.
This coupled with the tariffs on importing cheap EVs are both clearly not wins for fighting climate change.
And before anyone feels the need to comment like they do on anything critical of Biden, yes trump would be worse. But less bad isn’t going to stop the sea levels from rising.
The whole campaign to replace him feels very astroturfed and is based on the first debate ignoring everything else.
I wouldn’t say it’s astroturfed when people like Adam Schiff are calling on Biden to step aside. I also wouldn’t say it’s just about the debate as Biden has met with people in congress to try and persuade them that he’s the guy and they’ve come away less than impressed after those meetings.
That’s how astroturfing works though. You create false narrative like everyone thinks that until people join through a bandwagon effect.
I was watching the debate and my takeaway was it was a horrible debate, moderators did a horrible job, trump was energetic but was just rambling (especially in the 2nd half), and completely ignored questions asked. Biden was anemic, made some blunders, but at least made sense.
By your definition pretty much everything could be described as astroturfing. I also don’t think it’s accurate to describe this as a “false narrative” either, you’re into “don’t believe your lying eyes” territory.
Not everything, astroturfing is creating a fake grassroot movement. This was purely manufactured by media (including left leaning ones) whose owners fear Biden pro middle class policies. They know that Biden doesn’t have anything to lose when implementing them like for example tax increases for people making $400,000+. Other, younger candidates are more likely to be more mendable.
I think you’re gaslighting a little. Why try and tell people their impression of Biden’s debate performance and NATO press conference isn’t genuine and instead is “purely manufactured by media”?
I know what I saw and was surprised by the media coverage, because that was not my impression. I even remember early polls for example one showing that actually he got a good response among Spanish voters.
It also shows this was manufactured as the media completely ignored (very anticipated, as it supposed to unmask “democratic pedophiles”) Epstein files.
I watched the whole debate. It was very painful to watch. Biden barely could finish sentences and trump lied everytime he opened his mouth. Then they started going off about golfing scores. It completely sucked.
Progressives have not abandoned Biden because Biden has basically promised them whatever the fuck they want for the next administration so long as they stand behind him. Even AOC is saying she’s with Biden.
I’m not even mad. I would consider taking that gamble as well. But the Biden administration knows that if the progressive wing of the party truly leaves them they are fucked
Right…just like he promised Elizabeth Warren a cabinet spot if she dropped out of the 2020 primary and backed him instead of Bernie.
I couldn’t disagree with your last sentiment more. If there’s one last bastion of bipartisan compromise in this country, it’s to work together to keep progressive leftists out of office at all costs, because they are the only true threat to the massive amount of capital that’s been stolen by the ruling class over the past 40 years.
If you are a progressive democrat in the house you sure as shit are going to try to get the president to owe your bloc. That’s politics man. Can’t say I love it but it at least makes sense
Yeah I’m not arguing that, you’re right. I just don’t think they’re effectively using their leverage.
That said, their hands are tied for now, because if any of them said anything at all about Biden stepping down before it actually happens, the entire narrative would shift to “progressives undermine Dem chances, it’s all their fault.” Establishment dems are so eager to learn the wrong lessons in these situations…conveniently allowing them to never have to evolve their politics.
Bernie was going to be the presidential nominee. Cabinet positions got offered for other progressives to back Biden instead of him once they dropped out, thus securing Biden the win.
Biden stomped Liz in Maine and Massachusetts. Also beat Bernie by a decent amount.Then beat Bernie by a lot in Michigan and Wisconsin. Two critical swing states. That was the moment people realized Biden had the wider appeal and better shot.
I don’t want him or Harris, but I’d still vote “for” him even if he were in hospice simply because he’s not the fascist candidate who wants to completely dismantle democracy.
Can’t wait to hear why this poll doesn’t matter but the one that said everyone else does the same or worse does matter. Don’t let me down lemmy centrists.
Building the case in a world where political marketing machines create the narrative in half a day’s time and spread it through all the corporate channels.
Which is totally fine right? Unless he belongs to some sort of extremist group that base their identity around intolerance, racism and homophobia… but that’s just crazy talk! This guy could be the new VP!
I mean, for some people, it is. When you’re exploring your identity, you don’t always get it right on your first try. Just like there are people who are convinced they’re straight that are actually gay (or bi, or pan, or what have you). Though that is far more common, largely because of the societal pressures to conform to heteronormativity.
But then, perhaps that truly is Vance’s case here. Maybe he actually is gay, and his whole… everything is just him trying desperately to convince himself otherwise.
Right, but the reason he’s saying this at all is to try and make the claim that it is a choice, and that he simply changed his choice. Not that he found his real self without societal pressure.
I genuinely think a change this close to the election would be a terrible mistake. We need Joe now because he refused to step down for too long and the DNC refused to nominate someone else anyway. We’re committed
This close? The democratic convention hasn’t even happened yet. There’s still months to the election proper. Both France and the UK just held elections wherein the entire cycle lasted less than the time we have until election day still. And they had higher voter turnout than the US typically has.
Time is not the problem here. We do not need Biden. There are better candidates.
In my dream world, Biden is currently refusing to step down because he wants the RNC to focus on him, but he will hand the torch to Kamala in the next week or so before it is too late to change any ballots (Ohio and such).
They’re likely accurate. Anecdotal, but many of my very liberal friends have lost confidence in Biden’s ability to lead the Dems to victory, and many people I know who are ‘swing voters’ are convinced that Biden is senile. That’s not getting into the conservatives I know, who I would not regard as having relevant opinions. Furthermore, a number of sitting congressmembers of his own party have expressed that he should step down - which alone is a ruinous and public expression of a loss of confidence at the highest levels for Biden to win the campaign. It’s a millstone around his campaign’s neck, and even winning them back won’t remove it - the only thing that he can do to remove that weight from the Dem ticket is by stepping down himself.
I was both until Congresscritters started coming out against him after the debate. I’m willing to accept that seeing him have a bad day - even a really fucking bad one - is not necessarily an indictment of his fitness to run a vigorous campaign, but I knew it was over once sitting Congressmembers were asking him publicly to step down. That’s… that’s lethal. Regardless of whether or not he’s fit to run a campaign.
I think it’s not impossible for him to win (though I was in full panic mode when Trump had an assassination attempt and I thought it might be a Dem behind the gun), but IF he does win, it will be wholly in spite of him being the candidate, and it will be an uphill fucking battle the whole way. He no longer advantages the Dem ticket - he’s a handicap.
Yeah I’ve also started trying to figure out, in the grand scheme of things, if there’s a scenario where replacing an incumbent would be more beneficial. Like, how bad would the polls have to get before the party stepped in and made an unfortunate but necessary decision? Losing all swing states? Losing Dem lean states? Losing solid blue states? Losing by double digits? Or maybe the candidate would have to get worse? What if he has a stroke in October? What if he dies in October? Is that how bad it would have to get?
The only silver lining I’m seeing right now is the 538 model calling for a Biden win (sorta), and it’s predicated on economic fundamentals which I just don’t think hold the line like they used to. I think the game has fundamentally changed, as has political typology, and that’s the reason he’s drowning in swing states.
He needs to step down. He did much better work as president than many of his critics give him credit for, and his initial decision to run again, while in hindsight fucking ruinous, was operating off of conventional political wisdom. What he needs to do now is recognize that he’s lost the confidence of the party and the electorate, and step down, regardless of what he thinks about the sharpness of his faculties.
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