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roy_mustang76 , in Federal judge rules Oregon’s tough new gun law is constitutional

If they’re going to require historical scholarship when evaluating gun laws, they should not be surprised when that effort exposes the lie that “guns were allowed to be brought anywhere for any reason”

After all, even the famous shootout at the OK Corral happened over enforcement of a regulation prohibiting gun carrying in town.

FireTower ,
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The required historical scholarship is particularly before the Civil War as after slaves were freed Southern states implemented a series of laws that obviously were meant to disarm free Black Americans. This point is regarded as being a shift away from the original understanding.

OK Corral’s shootout occured in 1881 (after the war).

Also when looking for historical precedent favor is to be given to the commonly accepted practice. So if one town did X and the rest of the country did Y, Y is the correct historical precedent.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

The law and history are clear.

There are two types of open carrying.

Purposive open carry, predicated on a valid purpose, allowed bankers, sheriffs, coachmen, judicial marshals, hunters, or persons who had been threatened, to carry concealed.

Habitual open carry on the other hand was never legal. It was a sign of a lawless, no good place, and was arrestable as a breach of peace, which it undeniably is.

Lemmyatit , in Federal judge rules Oregon’s tough new gun law is constitutional

This is fantastic news

gravitas_deficiency , in French authorities ban protest against police violence in Paris

I wish the French people a very pleasant Sixth Republic

postmateDumbass ,

Lmk when they post a guillotine GoFundMe

irkli ,
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I left Facebook when any post containing a reference to guillotine got you jail time.

A week later I was like wtf! was I don’t there?!

nautilus ,
brockpriv ,

May the North Africans lead the revolution

galaxies_collide , in Pickleball Is America's Fastest-Growing Sport – But Is It Also The Most Dangerous? Report Shows It Could Cost US $500 Million In Medical Expenses

$500 million in healthcare costs? So like 4-5 people with broken arms at current healthcare rates…

MicroWave OP , in Federal judge rules Oregon’s tough new gun law is constitutional
@MicroWave@lemmy.world avatar

U.S. District Judge Karin Immergut ruled that banning large capacity magazines and requiring a permit to purchase a gun falls in line with “the nation’s history and tradition of regulating uniquely dangerous features of weapons and firearms to protect public safety,” Oregon Public Broadcasting reported.

BombOmOm ,
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They are going to have a hard time proving magazine capacity limits have historical precedent on appeal. Such gun control was only implemented within the last few decades.

Blamemeta ,

Well, older than that. Gun control are the last of the Jim Crow laws. Its why you have to pay giant tax stamps and get permits and all, its to keep minorities from arming themselves.

JustZ ,
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  • BaroqueInMind ,
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    Where’d you hear this hot take?

    Here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here

    We can keep going if you want more links and maybe a peer-reviewed study. Any form of limiting firearms is rooted in racism to restrict minorities from having agency in their communities.

    @JustZ how the fuck are you a lawyer and never understood the history of firearm legislation? Nepotism sounds likely.

    Blamemeta ,

    Thanks. I wouldn’t have bothered to get links, and definitely not that many links.

    commandar ,

    I also can't see this part surviving appeal:

    Large capacity magazines “are not commonly used for self-defense, and are therefore not protected by the Second Amendment,” Immergut wrote.

    Oregon set the capacity limit at 10 rounds. Practically every handgun commonly used for self-defense has a capacity of at least 15.

    BaroqueInMind ,
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    The judge is dumb because I, an idiot, can not read anywhere in the U.S. Constitution where it says the Second Amendment was written with self-defense in mind.

    It literally only says that everyone can own a firearm because a militia (an organization that exists outside of the military or law enforcement institutions, but answers to a state governor) is necessary to maintain a free country protected from any threats to the country.

    And a militia can't exist without regular people being able to own guns, so they can train with them, hence where it says "well regulated militia": meaning in good working order. You can't have a militia in good working order without being able to train with your firearm.

    hetscop , in French authorities ban protest against police violence in Paris

    "You can't protest agains police violence because we don't have enough police officers". I'm sure that will stop them

    cmbabul ,

    It almost seems like a trap, they are all but saying “please stop protesting we can’t take it any more”, a protest becomes a coup/revolution if the authorities refuse to concede to the demands and are overwhelmed by the protesters

    Duder167 , in Florida ocean temperatures peak to almost 100 degrees amid heatwave: "You really can't cool off"

    That hurricane is going to hit Miami, exit Tampa and then go visit Tallahassee.

    Mog_fanatic ,

    Nah nobody wants to go to Tallahassee. Probably go to Myrtle Beach

    Coskii ,
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    Oddly enough, the last major hurricane to hit south Carolina was in 1989.

    Jimbo , in Florida ocean temperatures peak to almost 100 degrees amid heatwave: "You really can't cool off"
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    Fucking hell, are there any animals left in that water?

    Robbsen1 ,

    Just because they are dead does not mean the left the water

    Jaysyn , in Florida ocean temperatures peak to almost 100 degrees amid heatwave: "You really can't cool off"
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    If only someone had been warning us about this for the past 40 years.

    inspired ,

    If only that someone had won the popular vote over 20 years ago leaving the deciding electoral votes to Florida with the narrowest of margins (hundreds of votes, by the certified count) giving it the ability to choose its own fate in a historically close election.

    solstice ,

    The number one alternate timeline I’d like to see is if Gore had become president in 2000. Even more than if the Nazis had won WWII or if Caesar hadn’t gone to the senate that day.

    (I’d also like to see the world if the spanish armada had taken a different course back in 1588 and avoided that typhoon though…)

    Soggy ,

    I’d like to see “what if Columbus died and Europeans left the New World alone a while longer.”

    kmkz_ninja ,

    Instead of regular old genocide for the natives, it could have been 𝕴𝖓𝖉𝖚𝖘𝖙𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖑 𝖌𝖊𝖓𝖔𝖈𝖎𝖉𝖊.

    WldFyre ,

    Why would you want to see a timeline where Nazis won??

    can ,

    Curiosity? To see what the geopolitical situation would become? Alternate fiction is a genre. I doubt they’re saying they want to live in that world.

    solstice ,

    It’s a very commonly cited example of alternate history. I’m surprised you’ve never heard that before. There’s been multiple books written and there’s a show on Netflix called man in the high castle, all of them exploring this topic.

    To answer the question, it would be interesting to see how it played out. How long would they maintain control over the US and Allies? What would resistance look like? How long would hitlers regime have lasted before being deposed? How long before collapsing under its own weight? What would the entire Cold War era have looked like, assuming the soviets lost too, and what would THEIR resistance look like? How would technology have developed without a Cold War driven space race?

    Obviously it would’ve been a catastrophe but it’s fascinating concept to speculate about.

    WldFyre ,

    Ahh your phrasing made me think you meant you’d want to physically see that world, I was just tired and it was right after your Al Gore what if so I got confused haha

    My bad

    pfannkuchen_gesicht ,

    iirc the first publication about climate change resulting from the industrialization was released in like 1910.

    Jaysyn , in French authorities ban protest against police violence in Paris
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    LOL, clowns.

    Chainweasel , in French authorities ban protest against police violence in Paris

    So sixth republic when?

    EeeDawg101 , in Never Mind the Delivery, More Online Consumers Are Turning to Store Pickup

    If I’m purchasing something exciting like a new game console or piece of tech, and it’s available at best buy, I’ll do their in store pickup since they usually have it ready within an hour. Way better than anxiously waiting for it to be delivered in one to three days. Anything else that’s not exiting, I’m not too concerned about waiting for shipping.

    FloatingAlong , in Thai cave survivor reunites with rescuer at high school graduation 5 years later

    Is this the guy Elon Musk accused of being a pedophile after he pointed out that Elon’s idea was stupid?

    DangerousDetlef ,

    No, it’s the same incident but it was another guy called Vernon Unsworth, I think he was the head of the operation whereas the one in the article was “just” one of the guys on the team providing medical aid.

    I’m also glad that the article does not mention Musk and his whole stupid PR stunt at all but instead focuses on the people actually involved.

    Wander , in Thai cave survivor reunites with rescuer at high school graduation 5 years later
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    Wait, it’s been five years already!?

    hetscop ,

    Five years ago does not sound right to me at all, but I looked it up and apparently it was in 2018, so I guess it has been five years after all. Total mandela effect moment for me.

    freehugs ,

    Long enough that the biopic about this event is already a year old.

    stopthatgirl7 , in French authorities ban protest against police violence in Paris
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    Maybe the cops should try not being violent.

    rockSlayer ,

    Woah now, let’s not get too crazy with our solutions /s

    postmateDumbass ,

    But the only tool they have is a hammer.

    orphiebaby ,
    @orphiebaby@lemmy.world avatar

    *gun

    Oh wait, that’s the U.S.

    themoonisacheese ,
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    Well I mean over here too. The protests are about extrajudicial killings of minorities.

    rockSlayer ,

    Wait, if cops in the US, France, and Germany are bastards, does that mean All Cops Are Bastards?

    themoonisacheese ,
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    Let’s not jump conclusions. I’m sure not all cops are bastard, for example dead ones.

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