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athos77 , in FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried jailed in New York; judge says crypto mogul tampered with witnesses

Are his parents going to lose their house now?

ImFresh3x ,

No. Bail is collateral if a person fails to appear. Bail term revocation and bail bond forfeiture are entirely different things.

athos77 ,

The New York government [pdf warning] says [emphasis added]:

While the case is open, the defendant must obey all court orders and attend all
scheduled court appearances. If not, the court may revoke bail, which means the
bond is forfeited and you lose your collateral.

ImFresh3x ,

He wasn’t charged by NY state. The southern district of NY(SDNY) is a federal court. In federal court:

When a defendant’s bail is revoked for failing to appear or violating a bail condition, any money put up for bond can be forfeited.

Though they can both happen for the same reasons, they are separate things, and one doesn’t happen automatically because of the other.

In this case:

His bail was revoked. His bail was not forfeited.

I don’t think in any state bail revocation makes bail forfeiture automatic. They’re separate actions.

The court would make two separate rulings:

The defendants bail terms are revoked.

The defendant’s bail shall be forfeited.

And the headline would read Bankman bail revoked and forfeited

athos77 ,

Thank you for the clarification: I appreciate it, and I leave a more knowledgeable person than I was before!

ImFresh3x , (edited )

Good natured discussion is contagious. Thank you for being so chill.

I should have mentioned this too::

To be fair, this statement I made incorrect in a way:

No. Bail is collateral if a person fails to appear.

It’s loosely (or more so) implies something that is somewhat incorrect. In a way, implies that bail is only for collateral. And that’s not true either. As you mentioned. The fact that bail can be forfeited for numerous things all lends a secondary purpose of insuring that not only they appear, but also comply with other terms of their bail.

I didn’t mean to imply that was it’s only purpose. I meant to imply it was the primarily purpose, but most importantly I meant to make a distinction between revocation and forfeiture.

breadsmasher , in Full-time UPS drivers will earn $170,000 a year, on average, in new contract, CEO says
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Bet the salary is still bad and they label some benefit aa being “worth” 150k

TransplantedSconie ,

It isn’t salary. We get paid per hour.

Plagiatus ,

So… Full time then refers to 24/7/365? That’s ~60k hours, at that point I believe when they say they’ll earn 180k (or $3/h)

timespace ,

Why would 24/7 be full time? Lol

Raverbunny ,
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This is the land of the free, why wouldn’t it be? Workers always get screwed.

TransplantedSconie ,

Not if you have a Union 😉

There is strength in numbers.

One stick is weak. Many sticks are a mighty faggot.

capt_wolf ,
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“UPS announces they will no longer be hiring full-time drivers” - Next week’s news

breadsmasher , in FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried jailed in New York; judge says crypto mogul tampered with witnesses
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If there was an electric chair he would be Fried Bankman-Fried

bappity ,
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he’s certainly never going to be Freed Bankman-Fried

ApathyTree , in Full-time UPS drivers will earn $170,000 a year, on average, in new contract, CEO says
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Average 170k in pay -and benefits- isn’t a clear thing at all.

The rest of this is kind of rhetorical, but if anyone knows I’d be happy to learn :)

What are they including in the “benefits” that don’t actually provide material support or savings for the majority of workers?

For example, my company pays for (bundled with some other dumb service nobody uses) a suite of dumb lifestyle “self help” tools that are actually much worse than free tools, access to which they consider a benefit to me and thus part of my benefit package and total comp, even though it definitely isn’t useful in any way.

Additionally, due to churn, they usually have more entry level, so what is the mode pay for drivers? Mean average (what’s almost always used unless specified) can easily be used to make this look a lot better than it is if a few lifers make bank.

TransplantedSconie ,

Turnover is high. Some guys quit outright, others from injury or to many accidents. Quite a lot are about to retire at my hub. I have about 10 more years left to go before I hang them up, so the next contract will be the last I have to worry about. I’m just glad they finally took care of the unsung heroes: the part timers. The past 20 years, they’ve been neglected. Not with SOB running the show. That was a hill he was gonna die on.

FederatedSaint ,

And the number is projected at the end of a 5 year contract!

JTode , in Full-time UPS drivers will earn $170,000 a year, on average, in new contract, CEO says

All two of them.

Burn_The_Right , (edited ) in In over 15 states, schools can still paddle students as punishment

Conservatives fantasize and even brag about smacking kids’ butts and hearing them wimper.

Conservatism and pedophilia are positively correlated. Never, ever trust a conservative to be alone with a child. Never.

paorzz , in Pastor alarmed after Trump-loving congregants deride Jesus' teachings as 'weak'
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Pick and choose!

Matthew 7:15Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

John 8:44You are of your father, the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

1 John 4:1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Matthew 24:1-51Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray….

Luke 21:8And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and, ‘The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them.

Matthew 7:13-14Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Romans 16:18For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive

2 Corinthians 11:14And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

1 John 2:19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

aceshigh ,
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This would only work if they read the Bible.

stopthatgirl7 OP ,
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They’re too busy thumping it to actually read it.

aceshigh ,
@aceshigh@lemmy.world avatar

You certainly can’t do both.

macrocephalic ,

That’s a pretty unfair requirement. First they have to learn to read and then they have to read the Bible too!

NatakuNox , in Kentucky school system closes after ‘transportation disaster’ leaves kids on buses and in schools for hours
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It’s so sad that red states create these policies just to undermine their own population. All this will do is create brain drain. If you’re a bus driver or teacher in Kentucky you can make way more money in blue states. Why stay? I know you love your community, but they don’t love you.

KevonLooney ,

I believe they gave a consulting firm $200k to come up with the plan that failed. They tried to get away with fewer busses and drivers because they didn’t raise wages enough.

They literally tried everything except paying drivers what they need. Now they’re fucked.

NatakuNox ,
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They could pay me half the amount they paid the consulting firm and I’m sure I’d figure out how to get kids home before 10pm

grayman ,

Bullshit. I’m in a blue state and there are so few drivers that the busses alternate routes weekly… Every other week there’s no bus for a route. Parents are stuck driving their kids to school and picking them up.

Ambiorickx , in Full-time UPS drivers will earn $170,000 a year, on average, in new contract, CEO says

Keep in mind that “and benefits” is doing so much work here, it should get its own union rep.

soot_guy ,

Boom. Roasted

FederatedSaint ,

And that’s the projected number at the end of the contract 5 years from now, which everyone seems to be ignoring also.

mateomaui , in FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried jailed in New York; judge says crypto mogul tampered with witnesses

Finally. Took long enough.

sxan ,
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If there"s one thing I love but am perpetually frustrated by, it’s how slow the US legal system is. Yes, “finally.” OTOH, citizens have rights and one of them is innocence until guilt is judged, and also that we try really hard to not let the general public, under the influence of the 5th Estate, be that judge. It’s super frustrating when it’s obvious to me that the person is guilty. It can also be extremely unbalanced, with people whe can afford better council getting better benefits-of-a-doubt than the poor. But in general, we have a pretty good system which - if I were ever caught in - has protections I’d be grateful for.

mateomaui ,

I meant finally in that it’s been pretty obvious that he’s been engaging in witness tampering, and they’re finally throwing it at him on that alone. I understand the initial house arrest terms and such as reasonable as long as he didn’t do anything obviously illegal before trial, but it took too long for them to call him on these tampering charges. His FAFO should have happened sooner.

solstice ,

For what it’s worth, a lot of times the reason why these trials take so long is because they are trying to build an airtight case. Kind of the same reason why sometimes you see obvious murderers being treated “well” like that shitstain kid who shot up a school a few years back. They want to make sure there’s no bias, no mistreatment, no cause for mistrial etc. It’s frustrating but I guess I get it.

Disclaimer, I’m not a lawyer

InvaderSkooge , in Full-time UPS drivers will earn $170,000 a year, on average, in new contract, CEO says

Good for them!

I’m sure the CEO is full of shit though.

Fredselfish , in Michigan mom is charged with buying guns for son who threatened top Democrats
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She needs to be jailed.

girlfreddy ,
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@Fredselfish @Mog_Spawn

Accessory charges for sure.

SupraMario ,

Straw purchases are illegal, but the gov doesn’t always go after people with it…which is how the majority of criminals get their firearms.

sudo22 ,
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Straw purchases are illegal so hopefully she will if the prosecution is good.

Hubi , in FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried jailed in New York; judge says crypto mogul tampered with witnesses

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

jaybirrd ,

Isn’t he just so nice?!

lobut ,

He is the nicest billionaire.

Fredselfish , in Tennessee hospital faces civil rights investigation over release of transgender health records
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Good jail the person who turn over the records.

bunkyprewster , in Former Catholic priest admits to sexual misconduct with 11-year-old boy he took on beach vacation

What kind of parent would send their kids to a school full of priests and nuns?

Burn_The_Right ,
remer ,
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And the parents reported it to “Catholic authorities” not the police.

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