Only during campaigning do you call for this. Notice how last time he was indicated I never heard about it. They only doing this now because if they don’t makes Biden look bad.
The last time he was indicted the case was weak, which is why the jury hung at 10 for acquittal and 2 for conviction and then the prosecution dropped the charges rather than refiling. This case is not weak and the details in the indictment, especially the communications they included, are impossible to ignore. Not all cases are equal.
His first indictment was 8 years ago which is why you probably don’t remember it, and the grand jury investigation started 10 years ago. It was in the news for years off and on until the judge dismissed everything outright.
If you didn’t hear about his indictment that’s a sign you weren’t paying any attention not that it wasn’t in the news. Had you bothered to search for it you would find it was extensively covered.
This was more of a valid argument when Republicans were winning elections. I think we should keep the electoral college as long as there’s a republican candidate that wants to overturn our democracy.
I feel like the United States’ fixation on limiting taxes and government intervention is something the rest of the world has been trying to warn about.
This seems to me like the second biggest example of “fuck around and find out” to come out of the US in a long time.
With all the bleeding-hearts on Lemmy who think we should be coddling criminals, I’m not shocked he was released after serving just 1/4 of his sentence. Clearly he was rehabilitated!1!!! Oh wait. No he wasn’t.
That has more to do with the US justice system being focused on punishment than rehabilitation. You have to release people at some point, and when you do you want criminals to be better people.
Also this guy having received a 40 years punishment sounds like he had some weed on him, perhaps? Prison times in the US can be insanely high for relatively small offenses
This just in: US prisons aren’t interested in rehabilitating the people held in them.
Maybe you should research criminal justice in other countries and how they avoid the same recidivism rates as we have before spouting dumb fucking boot licking garbage like this.
Billingsley hasn’t even been arrested. He is a suspect. I guess because he has a criminal past, he’s no longer deserving of a fair trial, according to this guy.
US isn’t interested in rehabilitating people and having them become productive members of society when they leave. Why? Because we never abolished slavery, just required that someone had to be jailed first to be able to be used as slave labor. This is why you have private prisons, etc. It’s profitable to have prisoners. This means you have a lot of people coming out of the system continuing to commit criminal acts, they learned more about crime while inside, not less.
I guess all Public Defenders and Defense Attorneys in general are the “lowest of the low” and “pathetic.” Because apparently no one in the history of the US has ever had the law turned against them unfairly. Cops definitely don’t do things like arresting people for “resisting arrest” with no other charges.
This guy is just some angry asshole who can’t be fucked to understand how you actually rehabilitate people. He’s only interested in punishment. Which… last I checked, doesn’t work very well on it’s own in changing/rehabilitating people.
As much as it is cathartic to punch idiots in the face (Nazis for example), it does very little to change the mind of the individual punched, and is more likely to make themselves convinced they’re a victim. Violence/Punishment doesn’t teach people shit, it just makes them more sure they’re right. This is how our jails and prisons work.
So because our criminal justice system is so terrible, instead of changing anything about it, we just need to… *checks notes… keep people locked up indefinitely.
Man, I hope you’re never railroaded with a false charge by cops and get what you want out of that. Locked up indefinitely over some made up bullshit because you yourself were like “Nah, we shouldn’t release criminals, because our justice system is fucked.”
This is some Olympic level mental fucking gymnastics here.
No. My point was don’t let them out until it’s fixed. No gymnastics required. I didn’t say anywhere not to change things. Just don’t release people that haven’t been rehabilitated or even served their entire sentence.
You: “The system is broken, so we shouldn’t let anyone out.”
Man, I hope you never get busted for a crime you did or did not commit, seeing as you believe we should throw away the key like that. Would be a shame if the reason you weren’t able to get out was because of people like you saying that BS.
If you put bad people in and do nothing to fix them you get bad people out. That’s what this post is about. Wrongful convictions are also unfortunate but that’s a separate issue. This guy was convicted and had a 30 year sentence not rehabilitated and released after 7. Now another woman is dead.
It may be a separate issue for you, but if you’re advocating for throwing away the key like you are, you are advocating for people that were wrongfully convicted to continue be locked up. That’s the whole point, and it went right over your head.
Are more people wrongfully convicted than shitty ones? If not unfortunately blindly releasing people from prison will do more harm then good. I’m all for reforming the system but just letting convicted rapists/murderers go free with no rehabilitation isn’t the way to go.
Where did I say that I wanted to blindly release people from prison? You just outed how black and white you see the world. You only see these options: throw away the key, or let everyone out.
You clearly don’t actually care about rehabilitation. It seems that you also just want to keep the ‘right’ people locked up. Hopefully this line of thinking stays in the minority where it belongs.
Currently there is no rehabilitation going on. Therefore, people going into prison are just as rehabilitated as when they come out, so yes, unless something changes they need to stay in there.
So you’re suggesting that anyone convicted of a crime should be indefinitely imprisoned until everyone else gets their shit together and revamps the system at which point they can be rehabilitated and then reintroduced to society?
It’s a fact that there are more differences between Norway and the US than how they treat their prisoners. Do you think these differences may impact the recidivism rate of prisoners in either nation?
The main goal of prisons is to protect society from criminals by removing them and deterring others from committing crimes through fear of punishment.
My point is that deterrence has been proven to be a poor tool to reduce crime. Rehabilitation has been proven to be a relatively more successful tool to reduce recidivism.
The Norwegian approach to prisoners is one piece of evidence in support of this. Here’s some more (non-Norwegian) evidence:
Of course there are other differences between the US and Norway, but that doesn’t change the validity of what I’m saying. If you want to argue that deterrence works, back it up with some evidence.
Your question is vague and unanswerable as you haven’t clarified what “these differences” are, so their impact on recidivism can’t be determined.
What I do know is that rehabilitation has been shown to reduce recidivism more than sanctions/supervision. Here’s a meta-analysis for you. It looks like at least some of this data is from the US.
“Supervision and sanctions, at best, show modest mean reductions in recidivism and, in some instances, have the opposite effect and increase re-offense rates. The mean recidivism effects found in studies of rehabilitation treatment, by comparison, are consistently positive and relatively large.”
You know there are other factors that influence the recidivism rate for both countries, but you’re ashamed to admit it because you know it detracts from your point.
You know there are other factors that influence the recidivism rate for both countries, but you’re ashamed to admit it because you know it detracts from your point.
You are ascribing a position to me that I don’t have.
Confounding factors exist in all studies. They don’t invalidate the results, but you have to control for them. All well designed studies do this. Why on earth would I think that they don’t exist?
You just won’t clarify what factors you want to talk about. Be specific and let’s see what research there is on it. Pointing to undefined factors and saying ‘…but other stuff!’ isn’t an argument in favor of your point, which was that “The main goal of prisons is to protect society from criminals by removing them and deterring others from committing crimes through fear of punishment.”
Nor have you provided any evidence for your point while I have provided links to several studies. Pony up some evidence for your argument or be prepared to learn and grow. Or remain stubbornly wedded to your incorrect opinion. Makes no difference to me.
You are ascribing a position to me that I don’t have.
Then admit it? It’s not that difficult.
“Yes, there are other factors that influence each nation’s recidivism rate.” See how easy and unambiguous that was? But instead you tried to take the sly road of saying I “didn’t mention what those differences are.” I shouldn’t need to. That isn’t my point. Lol.
Why on earth would I think that they don’t exist?
Like I said, you know they exist but clearly want to avoid admitting it because it detracts from your point.
You just won’t clarify what factors you want to talk about. Be specific and let’s see what research there is on it.
I don’t need to. Once we establish that the are other factors (finally), then I can ask you why you believe Norway’s prison system significantly outweighs their impact on prisoner recidivism.
See how simple and easy discussion can be when you’re not afraid to say what you mean?
Sorry normal conversation is too much for you to handle. Maybe you should learn to interact with people who don’t always believe what you say without scrutiny.
Clearly you aren’t interested in having a good faith debate
Funny how you say that when you’re the one who’s afraid to answer basic questions because you know they hurt your argument.
Do you always validate the very statements from which you’re trying to deflect by acting them out in real time?
(E. G. you didn’t acknowledge you were being like BS. And then, like BS, drew a false correlation to what I was saying and shifted the subject. Much like BS, the subject matter itself being the “opponent’s” “tactics.”)
“The United States suffers from among the highest crime and recidivism rates in the world. This is in part due to its focus on retribution as the purpose of punishment and its high sentencing structure. Norway, on the other hand, has some of the lowest crime and recidivism rates and boasts Halden prison, which has been hailed as the world’s most humane prison. In Halden and other prisons, the Norwegian penal system applies the principle of normality. Under the principle of normality, Norway seeks the reintegration of its offenders into society. Its prisoners suffer fewer of the negative, unintended side effects of prison that isolate the prisoner from society, reinforce bad habits, and make reintegration upon release nearly impossible. This Comment proposes that the United States could reduce its high crime and recidivism rates with a penological approach that bridges that of the two countries—a rehabilitative retributivism. The United States can keep its focus on retribution while at the same time making sure that its punishment does not swell to include those negative side effects. By reducing its sentencing structures and incorporating the principle of normality into its retributive goal, the United States could better ensure that prisoners return to society as productive members, and it could experience lower crime and recidivism rates as a result.”
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Hahahahaha dude I was probably shitting btwn meetings in my real adult life laughing at you, while writing you. You’re clearly paradigms above me Big Dog. I didn’t even know I was in a conflict in my life but apparently I was cornered.
I’m glad you have that privilege. Some folks won’t eat if they don’t work. I support the union striking. I don’t support making lives of low wage workers harder than it needs to be.
Again violence isn’t ever acceptable but I understand the frustration of trying to get home just to pay rent. I would never fault someone for choosing a home and family over a union strike.
Can you point out where I spoke down about them? I fully support them except for this very specific issue. I’m just expressing my empathy for the low wage workers who don’t really have a choice.
I feel like you’re the one talking down here. Not everyone has the luxury of supporting the strike, they need to pay bills, and eat. If you can’t support that, then your opinion is not one of relevance.
Not to mention that we have 8 hour workdays, weekends off, payed time off and other benefits all thanks to union efforts. All of them we take granted for. We shouldn’t forget where they came from.
I wonder why low wage workers have such low wages, Mr. Unions-shouldn’t-strike-so-hard?
If only? There was a? Way? To?? Help raise? Wages???
Makes u think
Real talk here, a lack of union power is why people have such shit wages and scabs just undermine union power more and keep wages low by letting companies ignore union demands.
I don’t understand what is wrong with all you people. I made one minor single mention how I have empathy and you crazies start arguing random things I never said.
The problem is that you are giving empathy to the perpetrator of a vehicular assault, and not giving empathy to the workers on strike who are putting their livelihoods on the line to try and make a bunch of other people’s lives better, even including the scabs who don’t have the spine to join them.
Fuck off you, disingenuous troll. Go back to your redditwasbetter site and conservative echo chambers. You had no empathy when conservatives came for minorities killing migrants across the boarder, the teachers being targeted for a witch hunt, the women being targeted for health care, voting right and the violence against women act… don’t act like you really care about this issue…
It’s not imagined, when you said it all yourself through all your comments… so again… Fuck off, you disingenuous Troll… your projection and emoji use to argue, is pathetic and a waste of time… go back to your shittyredditapp.
I work at one of the “Big 3” as a software engineer, we are not unionized and the strikes have before reached the engineering centers. What exactly do you suggest those in this situation do? If we don’t go to work we get fired. There’s tiny internal efforts at unionizing engineering but it’s far from feasible yet.
I am genuinely asking, I’d love to not have to cross a picket line should the strikes make their way here, I fully support what the union wants and is doing. At the same time, I am afforded none of the protections the union has to enable them to strike. I go into the office, cross a picket line, to do a job completely unrelated to union work, or I get fired.
(No, running over picketers is literally never okay. But not everyone entering a facility is scabbing or trying to undermine the protest efforts)
I’d start applying to different jobs. Engineers quitting in solidarity would be a boost to the union. You likely have savings and employability to spare in comparison to the plant workers
The voting ratio seems to indicate that yes, this is in fact considered a relevant news item by the community but you can and should downvote it if you disagree. Now that we’ve cleared that up, do you have anything to contribute to the discussion or are you just here to whine because I posted an article in two relevant communities?
What is in the water in Virginia? The video should have killed this case dead. Continuing to advance after being commanded to stop is literally a text book self defense case. Especially when you add in the delivery driver job (one of the most dangerous jobs in the US for violent robbery and car jacking) and the specific intent to disorient and confuse.
That’s tailor made to elicit a fight or flight response in any reasonable person.
(Before anyone asks for statistics, delivery drivers make up 1/5th of US work place fatalities according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics)
Yeah I do believe in a duty to retreat but if I saw someone workshopping ways to confuse me with a group of people and refusing my demands to stop harassing me, while they advanced in a bizarre fashion I’d be looking for a clear path to retreat and reaching for my knife. That behavior is unpredictable, invasive, and demonstrates refusal to respect pearly stated boundaries. I’m not one of those paranoid people who doesn’t go anywhere without a gun or anything but there’s no way I’d feel safe in that scenario. I wouldn’t even consider that YouTube prankster is a job some people have, I’d be much more afraid he’s going for my purse or worse.
And as for the lack of fear, yeah every self defense lesson I’ve had has taught to show no fear nor aggression, you firmly demand the aggressor to back away while looking for an out by which to flee.
Yeah I’ve seen people talk about that like the driver somehow pre-meditated the shoot. But it’s actually just a sign of good training on thinking through the adrenaline.
A trial, scheduled for next month, must still be held to determine if Trump and company executives acted intentionally.
Someone make a meme with the guy deciding which button to push. And one button is trump is so smart he is an excellent businessman and the other is trump is innocent and he had no idea his company was committing mass fraud.
I’m sure Bloomberg could stand to benefit from traffic shaping since they’re in the finance world. I’m sure they’d be happy to pay for Bloomberg terminals to get preferential treatment; it’d be a moat for their business.
It’s what happens when someone hates capitalism so much and hasn’t touched grass in so long that they cheer on the brutal murder of small business owners. Prime example of your brain on extreme black-and-white thinking.
It’s one thing that’s super frustrating about a lot of online left-wing populism — so much focus on villainizing and punishing individuals and not nearly enough on fixing the systemic issues via good policy. Hate landlords? Talk about eliminating the housing crisis to eliminate their power over you. Hate your boss? Talk about improving safety nets and overall prosperity to reduce their power over you. Hate corporations? Talk about eliminating monopolism, reducing barriers to entry, and increasing competition so they have less power over you. Villainizing and punishing individuals feels good, but it does nothing to eliminate the underlying economic power dynamics.
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