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A_Toasty_Strudel , in "100% coral mortality" found in coral reef restoration site off Florida as ocean temperatures soar
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Tragic.

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Chainweasel , in TikToker who debunked Jason Aldean's 'Try That in a Small Town' video receives racist, violent hate mail

Someone with better video editing skills than myself (none whatsoever) should remake this video but exclusively use footage from the January 6th insurrection.

FuglyDuck , in 'There was no kidnapping': Carlee Russell apologizes after admitting hoax
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If you want to play a hoax on people… there’s things that will actually make people laugh. Do those. don’t cry wolf and pretend something awful happened to you.

FlyingSquid ,
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I think anyone who would do something like this is likely mentally ill.

FlyingSquid , in The Biden administration proposes new rules to push insurers to boost mental health coverage
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And I guarantee you that all the “guns aren’t the problem, mental health is the problem” Republicans will fight this tooth and nail.

Radium , in K-9 officer put on leave after police dog attacks surrendering suspect

If I drop a production database I get fired. Immediately and for cause. These fucks can let a dog loose to maul someone who is surrendering and get out on “leave”.

Fuck this whole system

Kinglink , in One trick to boost your chances of getting into an elite college? Be rich.

I mean yeah… so?

Listen I get it, plucky young upstart, who wants to get into college, that’s the story everyone loves to read about?

But think about the opportunity. Daughter A has everything, comes from a better school, every tutor, every computer, every summer camp, devotes her life to some subject.

Daughter B has nothing, ends up having to work at 15, misses school days because of sick family, doesn’t always have someone to help her with homework and so on.

Daughter A is likely to have higher grades, attendance, performance, ability and skill. More awards, recognition, accomplishments, and potential. She even might be slightly ahead in college courses just arriving at school.

So if you were the schools admission officer in what world do you think B is a better fit than A? A is probably more set on their dream of doing X and has the funds to reach it where B might have to leave school because of a lack of funds or a family obligation. And besides which is more likely to give more money to the school? (As much as they don’t want to say it, come on schools are businesses we know this)

Now I get it, we want B to have an opportunity and a chance, and she should, but rich people already have all the benefits in life, even if you remove their wealth, you literally would have to actively ignore a rich student to place a truly poor student above them. But when you take away all the other accomplishments, you likely won’t harm our A student , but you’ll harm versions of B who has gotten awards, recognition, accomplishments, did well on SAT, and so on

Let’s change it then, we want to only take in students who fit X or Y criteria. Maybe go to an inner city school, maybe X amount of community service, maybe has a hard luck story. The thing is… with in a full cycle (3-4 years). We’ll start seeing the rich students move towards those groups. Now B might not be in an inner city school but Daughter A would suddenly be there if that’s what it would take. She will still get tutored so she’s not as harmed by it, but she can also satisfy those requirements because her parents have enough money to make it happen.

The point I’m making is it’s near impossible to offset “being rich” in any meaningful way that would last long enough to be worth it. What you’d end up hammering is the Upper middle class who has just enough money to be seen as rich, but not enough money to truly use it the way the “True rich” does.

rbhfd ,

You raise some valid problems (that the rich have advantages throughout their lifes long before the college admission phase) but come to the right conclusion.

The way to fix it is that everyone, no matter their social status, should have the same opportunities. So go to any school they want, no need to work, making tutors affordable to everyone,…

This requires a massive reform of the economic system though.

just_change_it ,

So you want to make it so if you ever save up wealth you can never transfer it to another human, ever, aside from giving it to the government which is run by humans to hand out to other humans outside of your control?

I don’t see any other possible solution that will not create a level playing field for others. I think it would have to go a lot further to fix the ‘problem’ you describe. No one could hold any position of authority since after all humans are corrupt and it will be abused to create scenarios where someone gets an unfair advantage.

When you keep going down this path as a thought experiment there’s basically no semblance of human society that would work. Separate children at birth from their parents and randomize who raises who - congratulations, randomized genetic diversity gets more or less opportunity at random. That doesn’t really work either though, since factors outside of your control determine your fate and opportunities. There’s no winning. It’s a zero sum problem.

Jase , in Judge: West Virginia can't require incarcerated atheist to participate in religious programming
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  • Nythos ,

    The country was founded of freedom of religion by the fanatics who were too fanatical for England.

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  • steltek ,

    The Founders were steeped in the Age of Enlightenment. Modern Americans wouldn’t even recognize it as Christianity. Like The Jefferson Bible

    … completed in 1820 by cutting and pasting with a razor and glue numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus. Jefferson’s condensed composition excludes all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels that contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages that portray Jesus as divine.

    You could label their morality puritanical but I think cynicism would also equally apply. If you view humans as naturally greedy and selfish, society needs to codify expected behavior to keep it in check.

    yesman ,

    their morality

    Jefferson raped other people’s children and sold his own. Washington was not only a slaver but used his victims’ flesh as a cosmetic. (Washington’s famous “wooden” teeth were actually harvested from enslaved humans)

    Secular government is a good idea on it’s own, not because 18th century R. Kelly and Leatherface said so.

    cmbabul ,

    No certain colonies were founded by zealots too fanatical for England and the Netherlands, the country was founded by slave owning wealthy people

    hoodatninja ,
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    When will this myth die

    MostlyBirds ,
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    Nope. This country was founded on the idea that weathly people shouldn’t have to pay their fair share of taxes.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    I assume you have detailed statistics go back up this claim.

    b3nsn0w ,
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    yeah, it seems what they meant is freedom to be a christian without the pope and absolutely nothing else. no nonbelievers, no non-abrahamics, hell, not even any abrahamic believers who believe in other religions. protestant, mormon, or cringe catholic, take your pick or go to literal hell.

    and the best part is when they use the excuse of religious freedom as a shield for their bigotry. like i’m sorry, if your holy book literally calls for gays to be stoned to death that’s a call to violence, it doesn’t deserve to be protected or tolerated.

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  • TwentySeven ,

    Didn’t people make a big deal over jfk running for president because he was Catholic?

    orcrist ,

    I feel like this is inaccurate. What other religions were on hand in the late 1700s? The native religions, of course, but the white guys did not care about that.

    Of course there was an emphasis on avoiding dependence on any one organized religion. That was one way of keeping power in the right hands.

    And in the 1970s and 1980s, it depends where in the US, but in many places or was and is very common to be Christian. If there is an strong majority, there’s no need to explicitly weaponize because society itself is already pushing your agenda. But that doesn’t mean harm wasn’t caused.

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  • orcrist ,

    I hope you get up on the other side of the bed tomorrow. It sounds like you’re going through a rough time in life, but with luck perhaps it’s only a one day phenomenon.

    Also, if you want to troll, try to do a better job than that. I got kind of bored reading it.

    palindrome ,

    Honestly can someone even provide me with an excerpt from the bible that actively cites the hatred of homosexuals

    b3nsn0w ,
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    afraid_of_zombies ,

    There is the story of Sodom, two times in Leviticus, the obvious coverup of Johnathan, the reference in Ezekiel (which according to modern prot studies of the bible is a big freaken deal), two times in Paul’s letters, and a derived part of Matthew.

    Homosexuality is attacked more times than all of the diet rules combined.

    grue ,

    yeah, it seems what they meant is freedom to be a christian without the pope and absolutely nothing else. no nonbelievers, no non-abrahamics, hell, not even any abrahamic believers who believe in other religions. protestant, mormon, or cringe catholic, take your pick or go to literal hell.

    If by “they” you’re referring to the folks who wrote the Constitution (many of whom were Deists, not Christians), that’s very much historical revisionism. The religious right certainly thinks that’s what they thought, but it isn’t true.

    b3nsn0w ,
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    i did think that but i stand corrected by @Jase. seems like the founding fathers were actually based (at least on this topic) and it’s just the people who like to speak for them who are corrupting this message.

    that said though, there are a lot of calls for religious freedom nowadays that shape up like this: basically, “i should be able to practice my religion and i guess i’ll endure yours because you’re in power, but we’re gonna do something about those unbelievers, right? …right?”

    30isthenew29 ,

    Don’t conflate a religion with the religious extremists.

    MostlyBirds ,
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    All religion is extremist.

    charonn0 ,
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    One man’s extremist is another man’s hero.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Don’t criminalize abortion and I won’t.

    Hazzard ,

    Even as a Christian myself, I agree with you. Separation of Church and State. Politics mixing with religion has been terrible for both.

    MostlyBirds , (edited )
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    Politics mixing with religion has been terrible for both.

    No it hasn’t. Religions benefit almost immeasurably from infiltrating politics in so many ways, ranging from exemption from all discrimination laws, to having their private schools funded by tax money, to controlling the majority of hospitals in the country, to being allowed to rape and marry children consequence free.

    coconutxyz ,

    Well it is, look at Malaysia for example

    Edit. Ok you’re being sarcastic lol

    MostlyBirds ,
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    No sarcasm. These are all reality in the US right now. Feel free to fact check.

    coconutxyz ,

    Lmao I guess that’s the same for us either

    Hazzard ,

    Eh, that’s the church as an institution. I mean religion in the more abstract sense. Political leanings becoming tied to a religious stance has become ridiculous, and has watered down Christianity quite a lot, to the point where even Trump gets to go pray once a year and call himself the Christian vote. It’s also been remarkably divisive, as naturally, a lot of Christians aren’t that, and hot political debates somehow become religious debates.

    Tying religion to politics has allowed politics to slowly pull that horse further and further, to the point where “Christianity” now means southern fundamentalism to a lot, maybe even most, people. I think without political influence, we’d be a lot closer today to how Christianity started, and is meant to look.

    agent_flounder ,
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    Not that I disagree with the sentiment that things would be better for all of us if thr GOP hadn’t courted the religious right, but I did want to mention that Christianity in the 1st century looked a lot different than it has in the 20th or now.

    The religion has changed dramatically over the years. And it was usually a collection of disparate sects. The new testament canon as we know it wasn’t agreed upon until around 400, and the standardization of mainstream belief, the Nicene Creed, had only been adopted a generation before.

    And of course the split during the Reformation in the 1500s changed white a bit. Even decade by decade you see different movements, changed in interpretation (slavery being ok vs not), and such.

    We don’t have any of the original biblical sources, and none of them are believed to be writings directly from Jesus or his disciples themselves. What we have is filtered through other parties and further filtered through the canonization processes (OT and NT both).

    So it’s a bit tough to really pin down what Christianity was “meant to be”. But I wished it wasn’t what it is in many parts of the US.

    ChrisLicht ,

    Let me try a different argument:

    The separation of church and state has forced American denominations to compete in a marketplace for souls/money, and they have become ruthlessly efficient corporatized entities, using marketing and business-process management, and exploiting tax advantages and high switching costs.

    Meanwhile, in Europe, you have official state Catholicism or Protestantism-flavors, which are moribund, inspire little passion, and most everyone is either atheist, agnostic, or un-passioned.

    mightyfoolish ,

    Such an interesting statement. I can kind of see what you mean. Would you happen to have more reading material on this topic? It would be very appreciated.

    b3nsn0w ,
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    lmao, so the church and state shouldn’t be separated because the government is inefficient and its inefficiencies should remain to be inflicted upon the church?

    that’s… actually kinda based, lol. i do appreciate the objective and the unconventional method to achieve it. however, i think there’s a difference between being a government entity and having control over governance. the latter should never be given to the church, because that’s one hella fast way to surpass all the damage they have managed to do under the american system. for example, while your statements seem accurate for western europe and the nordics (emphasis on “seem”, i don’t live there) but over here in hungary the “christian democratic party” is literally the only party our government is in a coalition with, and they get to pass discriminatory laws basically as fast as they can come up with them. the closest analogy i can give is imagine if all the shit that’s going on in those red states was going on country-wide with no one left to oppose it.

    that’s also what europe looked like before the “age of enlightenment”, which is separation of church and state is so important in public consciousness, even if not technically implemented.

    still, i do like your idea, and yes, inflicting bureaucracy upon the church would be helpful. maybe it’s not a separation of church and state that we need, but protection of the state from the church’s influence.

    MostlyBirds ,
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    The separation of church and state has forced American denominations to compete in a marketplace for souls/money, and they have become ruthlessly efficient corporatized entities, using marketing and business-process management, and exploiting tax advantages and high switching costs.

    This is not a product of separation of church and state, but of the atrocious combination of hyper-capitalism and tax exemption for religious organizations.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Yeah it is one of the unexpected results. It is an imperfect analogy but Europe Christianity has become a domesticated animal that knows not to cause trouble. American Christianity is a mean badass sewer rat that not only fends for itself but can’t be killed. I really doubt anyone could have predicted this before it happened.

    grue ,

    Politics mixing with religion has been terrible for both.

    This statement presupposes that religion hasn’t always been inherently political. Religion is nothing if not a tool for control.

    prole ,

    Absolutely. It’s hard to conceive of something that has been more damaging to society than Abrahamic religion.

    thepianistfroggollum ,

    I think the concept of money was the most detrimental, but Abrahamic mythologies are a close second.

    islandofcaucasus ,

    Money is just a vehicle for trade, which is essential for any society.

    TheGreenGolem ,

    The fact it’s had to go that far is psychotic.

    This reminds me of one of my favorites quotes, which is about the 2020 US presidential election, and I’m not even from the USA, but it’s suitable in so much scenarios in life: “It shouldn’t be this close.”

    curious_illusions , in "100% coral mortality" found in coral reef restoration site off Florida as ocean temperatures soar

    I’m really happy I had the chance to go snorkel in the coral reefs on my life. Sad to know they will probably be gone before I die.

    fearout , in Elon May Have a Huge Issue Because Microsoft Owns the “X” Trademark
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    I’m glad we’re currently on a good news streak. Those climate change articles were weighing on me.

    darkstar ,

    Agreed lol

    Arotrios , in Oxford High shooter’s parents have been in jail 600 days. Is $500K bond excessive?
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    The Bail Bond system is unconstitutional by its very nature and should be revoked.

    While the couple did initially evade arrest, which is why their bail reduction requests have been denied, the length of time behind bars has left them without a home and without jobs, effectively destroying what was left of their lives after their son's actions. Even if proven innocent, the cost for them is so extreme as to be a de-facto punishment for arrest dealt out by the judicial system.

    While I have no sympathy for them if they did provide the weapon to their son, I can still recognize the injustice being done to them. Sadly, it's a common one - our jails are full of people awaiting trial for far longer than what could be considered "quick or speedy". It's one of the reasons many public defenders suggest pleading guilty to poorer clients regardless of the case - they'll actually get out faster if they don't have to wait for a jury trial.

    AttackBunny ,
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    It recently had been in CA

    The exception being people who they don’t think will show up in court. These people would definitely fall in that category.

    OldWoodFrame , in One trick to boost your chances of getting into an elite college? Be rich.

    Two interesting takes I’ve seen on this is that

    A) It’s really the hyper-rich top 1% who are vastly overrepresented, if you look at the top 20% or something the effect isn’t there, which is interesting.

    B) Some see the removal of standardized tests as a way to encourage diversity, but Nate Silver pointed out that the hyper-rich have the same test scores as other applicants but do much better on recommendations and extracurricular activities etc, so if you want to prevent rich people from being overrepresented one solution is relying MORE on standardized tests.

    Duder167 , in 'There was no kidnapping': Carlee Russell apologizes after admitting hoax

    Was she trying for some easy donations or something? Hoax sounds very much like an afterthought

    hglman , in DOJ sues Texas and Gov. Greg Abbott over Rio Grande barrier

    Of course Abbott wants to take to the supreme court in hopes they make a corrupt ruling.

    BD1sHappyFeet , in One trick to boost your chances of getting into an elite college? Be rich.

    In other astonishing news, water is wet and we’ve fucked up this planet.

    aeternum ,

    technically speaking, water isn't wet, it makes other things wet. http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=6097

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Please let’s not do this.

    _finger_ ,
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    Yo mamma is wet

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