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PP_BOY_ , in NY woman who fatally shoved singing coach, age 87, is sentenced to more time in prison than expected
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Eight and a half years for the senseless murder of one of our society’s most vulnerable citizens.

bioemerl ,

Nearly 10 years is a long ass time to be in jail for a random angry act.

tim-clark ,

A random angry act is knocking a sign over, kicking a garbage can, punching a wall. NOT killing someone

Doorbook ,

Its wild how some people ignore it is a murder. They can’t imagine what if the person dying is their grandma ?

I also wonder if it is ageism and their opinion would change if the person dying is a toddler.

PP_BOY_ ,
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“A random angry act” lmao fuck outta here downplaying homicide

bioemerl ,

There's a big ass difference between international murder and an angry lash out killing someone. At 87 you're going to die from stuff that a random angry drunk won't consider.

MarmaladeMermaid ,

So it’s mostly her own fault for being 87 and in public?

4am ,

No dumbass, murder has to be premeditated and/or intentional.

Shoving someone out of your way/down doesn’t imply that you intended for them to actually die. And it’s pretty hard to prove that you did in court.

Manslaughter - the unintentional act of killing someone through irresponsible or negligent actions - is a fucking slam dunk here. You want this sour bitch to walk free because the prosecution couldn’t get a conviction, because laws are written more specifically than the few words you learned in school?

Go away. Adults are having a conversation, sweetie

MarmaladeMermaid ,

Oh honey. Is there some grass you could touch? I think that might help.

Just make sure there aren’t any elderly people in your way to get there.

Very_Bad_Janet ,

No dumbass, murder has to be premeditated and/or intentional.

IANAL but in American law, second degree murder can be intentional without being premeditated. For example, a bar fight that ends in someone dying. There is also voluntary and involuntary manslaughter (in the later, the person does not intend to kill the victim). Different states define the different degrees and types differently.

bobman ,

Yeah, there’s a lot of fantasy-world takes here in lemmy.

Sometimes it’s nice, and sometimes it’s yikes.

This is one of those yikes times where we’re actually defending a drunk girl killing an old lady for no reason.

Ahh well, I don’t expect more from the chronically mentally ill.

Tarquinn2049 ,

I mean, it’s kind of the risk you take being drunk in public, you have no idea what you are going to do other than be held accountable for it when you are sober afterwards. It’s kind of insane that it is seen as “normal” to take that kind of risk, for alot of people it’s a surprisingly common occurrence.

SkyezOpen ,

Bro when I get drunk I wanna cuddle things, not shove elderly people. If “am I gonna murder someone if I go out drinking” is something you have to consider, the problem is you, not the alcohol.

Tarquinn2049 ,

It sounds like you probably aren’t the “people taking risk” that I am referring to.

bobman ,

Not as long as that person is going to be dead.

If you can’t control your anger and you attack random people on the street, you belong behind bars.

bus_factor ,

Legally speaking you’d have a hard time prosecuting that as murder. You’d have to prove that she was intending for the old lady to die when she shoved her. I’m guessing she was charged with some combination of second degree assault and manslaughter, maybe more. She was facing up to 25 years and took a plea deal for 8, which I assume included part of the charges being dropped.

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  • ThrowawayPermanente ,

    Do you always get unreasonably angry when knowledgeable people correct you about things you’re ignorant of?

    Tarquinn2049 ,

    I expected more maturity out of pp boy.

    PP_BOY_ , (edited )
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    Why lmao literally all I do is shitpost on this account and engage in bad faith arguments

    legion02 ,

    Have you tried… I don’t know maybe not doing that?

    Thekingoflorda ,
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    Well, enjoy your ban then.

    IamRoot , in NY woman who fatally shoved singing coach, age 87, is sentenced to more time in prison than expected

    The judge didn’t believe the defendant was actually repentant.

    bobman ,

    She probably wasn’t.

    The story reads like a rich, entitled white girl getting trashed and then her real personality coming out.

    Knusper , in A riled Trump sounds off outside the New York fraud trial that accuses him of lying about wealth

    I find it so weird, how this article just lists people as “Democrat”, as if everyone was dropped into a red or blue paint bucket at birth and not allowed to have political opinions beyond that.

    FlyingSquid , in [US] A nationwide emergency alert will be sent to all U.S. cellphones Wednesday
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    Sure. That’s just what they want you to think.

    xc2215x , in Workers are the unhappiest they've been in 3 years—and it can cost the global economy $8.8 trillion

    Wages should be higher.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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    Inequality should be lower, too.

    bobman ,

    Prices should be lower.

    What’s the point in increasing wages if prices go up faster?

    Remember: products are priced according to what people are willing to pay, not what they cost to produce.

    The answer isn’t to make more, it’s to spend less. The only people who should be taking a hit are those profiting. They’ll still make more money than any of you can ever hope to dream of.

    Norgur , in Parents of 9-year-old who went missing on New York camping trip received ransom note before daughter was found, governor says

    Every day a missing child story ends with "was found alive" is a good day.

    dystop , in Ruth Bader Ginsburg honored on new postage stamp
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    Decades of good work, all undone by her stubborn refusal to step down when the time was right.

    And now the Supreme Court will lean conservative for decades to come.

    I hate to say it, but I think it would have been a liberal win if instead of RBG, another left-leaning Supreme Court judge that was ineffective but stepped down at the right time was nominated instead.

    sugarfree , in Parents of 9-year-old who went missing on New York camping trip received ransom note before daughter was found, governor says
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    Horrible story, glad to hear she was found.

    FlyingSquid , in Workers are the unhappiest they've been in 3 years—and it can cost the global economy $8.8 trillion
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    Maybe if we had a UBI, people would be okay with jobs that weren’t that great so they could have a better life than a UBI provided. I know I’d be a lot happier if I knew I had a financial safety net.

    cmbabul ,

    Or you know just the understanding that the effort put into my job would have benefits rather than just barely have enough to survive and keep myself mildly entertained

    oohgodyeah ,

    UBI?

    Unsaved5831 ,

    Universal basic income, I guess.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Universal basic income.

    garretble , in Matt Gaetz files motion to oust Kevin McCarthy as House speaker
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    JustAManOnAToilet ,

    Sell tickets and pay-per-view to fund the government during the next shutdown.

    Gradenko , in Ruth Bader Ginsburg honored on new postage stamp

    The stamp celebrates what USPS calls Ginsburg’s “groundbreaking contributions to justice, gender equality and the rule of law.”

    All of which the ultra conservative majority are going to easily toss in the trash because she refused to retire when the Dems had the majority to replace her. She fucked her own legacy so hard it isn’t even funny.

    Horsey , in Pinal Sheriff Mark Lamb’s office spent $200K on guns and ammo from an ‘inmate welfare' fund

    Pima county resident here: Pinal county is pretty much a Trump cesspool of retirees and people who think the world is out to get them. Their county has been on a steady decline as the brain drain moves north to Phoenix. Doesn’t surprise me lmao.

    Salamendacious ,
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    How is his Senate race going from your perspective? Do you think he’ll beat Lake?

    Supermariofan67 , in Vigilante Pedophile Hunter Killed While Confronting Teens

    Why were they charged? Sounds like a pretty obvious case of self defense.

    MJKee9 ,

    Probably a magnitude of force issue. If they didn’t legitimately fear for their life, then deadly force in response would be a crime.

    Aiastarei ,

    Magnitude of force of a 40yo vs. a teen makes the self defense acceptable imo

    seathru ,

    If you have to use any kind of deadly force in self defense, it is always in your best interest to be the first one on the phone with 911. Police aren’t known for their critical thinking, so the first story they get is most often they one they are going with until proven otherwise.

    If one of the teens had called 911 and said some creepy guy catfished and physically assaulted them first, this story would probably read a lot differently.

    Disclaimer: Not victim blaming. More of a PSA. And really one of the very very few times I would recommend calling the police.

    steakmeout , in 3,700-year-old Babylonian stone tablet gets translated, changes history

    Yeah fuck that upworthy spam. Here’s the original article from The Guardian.

    OhmsLawn ,

    Thank you. I wasn’t going to click on that trash.

    davidgro ,

    Not significantly better:

    “which scientists claim are more accurate than any available today.”
    No they obviously do not. Yeah the fractions are easier in base 60, but they are not more accurate than just using rational numbers or radicals in any other base.

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    I’m partial to base 36

    • “10” is a square that’s also the product of two squares, 4 and 9
    • highly divisible, being able to simply express halves, thirds, quarters, sixths, and ninths, also twelfths and eighteenths but those are less common portions in daily use
    • you can represent it as [0 - Z], as in “…8, 9, A, B, C…”, it’s literally achieved by just adding the alphabet to the numeral system.
    steakmeout ,

    It is significantly better, it’s not spam reposting crap.

    marxistsynths19 , in Parents of 9-year-old who went missing on New York camping trip received ransom note before daughter was found, governor says

    Wtf if that guy had been wearing gloves it would’ve been a lot more difficult to find her. The idiot cops got called to another place while they were supposed to be watching the house.

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