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eatisaiy , in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.

impressive, good job

MystikIncarnate , in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.

I just want to say that graphs like this should be contrasted with the number of deaths from extreme cold. I know Arizona probably doesn’t have the numbers of say, Alaska, but it’s worthy of note to contrast the two.

I’d also point out that it is far easier for an individual to protect themselves against the rigors of cold than it is for heat; in the cold, with warm clothing, you can keep yourself warm, while the environment is very cold; fire is relatively easy to make, even if you have little more than sticks, and thus getting warm or keeping yourself warm is by and large easier to accomplish than staying cold.

When you’re in an extremely hot environment, it’s not like you can make yourself more naked than naked. You need some outside influence to keep you cool, like a swamp cooler, a misting sprayer, a cool body of water (like a river or lake), or some kind of man-made cooling device like an Air Conditioner, in a relatively sealed enclosure (which relies on consistent access to power to run it). most of these are either inaccessible to people in a city or built-up area; sure, there are fixtures, like fountains that contain water, usually not enough to keep them from heating up, and usually the water is recycled, so the heat stays with the water. all other water access is typically restricted to water lines, which usually someone is paying for, and nobody wants to pay to keep random people cool when they don’t have to. All man-made (air conditioner) type cooling is generally access restricted to either workplaces, homes, or businesses/storefronts, where the expectation is that you’ll be spending money there (which not everyone has).

I’m just saying, that the limiting factor to reducing death by extreme heat, is a far larger one, than death by extreme cold, where you should only need to hand out sweaters, gloves/mittens, jackets, blankets, etc, to keep people from dying from it. There’s far-end extreme cold that almost nothing will save you from short of a heated structure, but generally, places that are inhabited by people who don’t have access to safe heat and cooling (like a home), are more temperate than that extreme of cold… not exactly too many homeless people walking around the arctic or Antarctic circles…

Neither is good, but both seem inevitable; regardless we should be doing all we can to help to ensure the survival of everyone, as a species. Whether that’s saving them from the heat, the cold, from starvation or dehydration, we should be helping in any way we are able to.

sukhmel ,

To be honest, I lost track of what was your point except for the fact that we need to pair the graph with one about extreme cold deaths

Fedizen , in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.

Climate change is just getting started and people should start suing cities and design firms for failing to include shade requirements in their standards and for making roads too wide to properly shade

Where natural shade can’t be sustained artificial shade needs to be provided.

The single family house on a grass lawn is such a stupid idea in many places

LearysFlyingSaucer ,

I wish, but I just know the segregationist city planners in my town will just lay down more asphalt and gated suburbs. We don’t even have sidewalks or crosswalks even though there’s people walking/biking everywhere. They intentionally make our towns unlivable.

Coreidan , in Malaysia halts music festival after same-sex kiss by UK band The 1975

Sounds like another country I can add to the “do not visit do not support” list.

win98se ,
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As a Malaysian, please do. I am ashamed by my own government.

eldavi ,

i’ve added so many to that list that i no longer want to travel abroad.

HunterBidensLapDog , in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
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If only we had some kind of warning?!? If only there was something we could do about it?!?

Dagnet ,

I tried praying, don’t look at me I did my part

voidMainVoid ,

I did both thoughts and prayers.

Jeanschyso ,

You forgot the Thoughts!!

Rootiest ,
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Typical

Agent641 ,

But my end of the boat is perfectly dry!

doctorplasmatron ,
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dr. david suzuki pours himself another scotch and sighs.

HiddenLayer5 , in ‘There’s nothing American about promoting violence’: country star Jason Aldean criticised for anti-protest song

Why do I suspect his ass is the first to flee when shit gets real? Doubt he can live up to his own lyrics, evidence has shown most of these people can’t.

Chalky_Pockets ,

At the end of the day, the root cause of bigotry is cowardice. Maybe stupidity and indoctrination got them where they are, but for 100% of them, it’s cowardice that’s keeping them there.

Pistcow , in Oklahoma mother and her 3 children, including 10-month-old, killed in murder-suicide during supervised visitation

Foster parent here and guess how many times I wanted to punch a person from the system in the face when they said “the parental bond is the most important thing” to explain away unfathomably shitty parenting.

Tedesche ,

I work in mental health and have a fair bit of professional experience with parents and the CPS system in my state. What a fucking shit show. With both CPS workers and foster parents, it seems like a 50/50 toss up whether you get a good one or a bad one. Having a system for this sort of thing is obviously better than not having one, but damn do we need to improve upon ours.

Sadly, I don’t think that’s going to happen anytime soon. CPS mostly deals with poorer families and no one gives a shit about them.

dethb0y ,

I gotta think that part of the problem is even finding someone who would want to be a CPS worker in the first place, considering the kind of work it is and the kind of situations they deal with.

Put another way, It’s like how prison guards tend to be of low quality - no one decent wants the job.

Tedesche ,

From what I’ve seen, the problem with the CPS worker workforce is that a significant portion of them are people who suffered abuse during their own childhoods and are out on a mission to catch child abusers as a proxy for their own trauma. These folks are zealots and do not have the objectivity necessary to make unbiased assessments in their work. I’ve seen them make decisions about certain parents very early on in their cases, labeling them either “good” or “bad” and refusing to either reassess or acknowledge that people can change.

Thankfully, they’re not all like that and I’ve worked with some very good CPS workers as well. But then you have the arguably more important problem of the fact that all of these workers (like most mental health workers and teachers) are horribly overtaxed with too many cases and too few resources to support them. Underfunding and lack of personnel make even the best efforts of the good workers hamstringed. So, the system is broken, but not because no good worker wants to do the work.

vd1n , in Black man who says he was elected mayor of Alabama town alleges that White leaders are keeping him from position

Small towns suck. Big towns suck. Cities suck. America sucks and it’s not coming back.

Stovetop ,

it’s not coming back.

Implying America was ever good at this in the first place.

md5crypto ,

I’m still waiting for all the America haters to move to Holland.

SuddenDownpour ,

The only people capable of fundamentally improving one’s country are those willing to see what’s wrong with it. The very country of the United States was founded by a bunch of people so mad about their country that they literally revolted.

Pratai , (edited )

And the rest of us are still waiting for all the blindly-supportive ignorant America lovers to get their heads out of their ass.

SuperSleuth , (edited ) in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.

I’m not saying the climate isn’t changing but you have to account for population.

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/0c9e3c3c-4bd6-4ac9-b913-5447cca131cb.webp

0ddysseus ,

You’re right but the lines are still diverging exponentially. I wonder what the age demographic is too…

mayo ,
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Elderly and homeless

gAlienLifeform ,
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Except the slope of your graph looks like a kicker ramp while OP looks more like a quarter pipe, so it really doesn’t look like population growth can account for the uptick in heat deaths

Stovetop ,

Devil’s advocate: type of population also makes a difference. If that uptick in population is predominantly elderly, for instance, you’re gonna see the rate of susceptibility skyrocket relative to the whole.

But that is not to dismiss the reality of climate change. It just illustrates the potential for dangerously synergistic factors to be considered when evaluating risk that we’ll need to keep in mind as we try to keep existing in this ever-hotter world.

SuperSleuth ,

Still a 4x population increase since 1970. The point is op’s graph is misleading not climate change doesn’t exist. Even then you still have to account for demographics and such. Here’s a more dramatic graph for you: https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/846acbf1-0480-4548-8413-8566e641a0f5.webp

gAlienLifeform ,
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Still a ~10x increase in heat deaths.

And I don’t know if it is misleading, why does it make sense to adjust for population here? Like, objectively more people are preventable dying from heat, and “There would be fewer preventable deaths if fewer people were around to die of preventable causes” isn’t a very satisfying answer to that problem.

SuperSleuth ,

When looking at data on causes of death, adjusting for population size provides important context and allows us to make fairer comparisons over time. The raw number of deaths increasing could be due to a number of factors not directly related to topic. While that isn’t the case here, it necessary to factor this in.

However, you raise a fair point - we should not lose sight of the real human impacts and absolute number of lives lost. Behind every statistic is an individual tragedy. We should have compassion for those suffering while also trying to objectively understand the data.

Perhaps there is room for nuance - we can acknowledge that adjusting for population provides useful perspective, while also recognizing that any preventable loss of life to extreme heat is highly concerning and worthy of solution-oriented discussion. If we aim for intellectual honesty and keep our shared goals of truth and human welfare in mind, we are more likely to have productive dialogues on complex issues like this. You’d call out opposing groups if they were to do this, but it’s fine if it supports a narrative you agree with? We know the climate’s changing we’ve all stepped outside. It’s not necessary to use tactics like this to gain public favor.

gAlienLifeform ,
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This was a really well written comment that gave me a bit to think about, so thank you for the effort you put into it. I’m definitely emotionally engaged by this issue, so maybe I just needed to hear someone else say this

we should not lose sight of the real human impacts and absolute number of lives lost. Behind every statistic is an individual tragedy. We should have compassion for those suffering while also trying to objectively understand the data.

md5crypto , in Black man who says he was elected mayor of Alabama town alleges that White leaders are keeping him from position

The real story is they don’t even have a mayoral position, so a nothing story ginned to stoke hatred toward white people.

SuddenDownpour ,

They do have a mayor position, they just didn’t care for it until someone decided to run for it.

betterdeadthanreddit ,

Disagreeing with those specific people for their actions is not the same as hatred for white people. An asshole is an asshole whether they’re black, white or green.

Sethayy ,

I can see why you’re racist if you don’t got the braincells to seperate a couple people from the population.

Its not anti white to hate people who happen to be white

Hextic ,

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  • shortgiraffe ,

    Hating racists isn’t the same as hating white people.

    2Xtreme21 , (edited ) in Trump documents trial: The schedule is set. Here’s what to know

    With this judge having been appointed by Trump and already having her rulings overturned for blatant favoritism towards him, does anyone seriously think this is going to be a fair trial?

    BrikoX OP ,
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    It might be in his favor as the judge controls what is allowed and what is not to be presented. But ultimately the decision falls on the jury. The fact that her previous decisions were overturned by appellate court might also make her more cautious about showing favoritism.

    2Xtreme21 ,

    If it even makes it that far. She could just dismiss the case entirely— and that’s not appealable I believe. I’m really hoping she’ll be a truly neutral arbiter, but I’m not holding my breath.

    BrikoX OP ,
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    Dismissal without prejudice allows the procecuting party to just re-file the charges once the cause for dismissal is addressed. And there are very limited cirmustances where dismissal with prejudice is applicable.

    Shikadi ,

    I read an article from NYT on her that actually painted her in a much better light, despite her overturned ruling. They even talked about how that overturned decision wasn’t that unreasonable under normal circumstances. If she ends up being too favorable, she can very quickly be removed. At this point, with all eyes on her, I would imagine she would try to be fair about it. So do I think it’s going to be a fair trial? I’d give it a solid maybe.

    2Xtreme21 ,

    Just found the article- thanks for mentioning it. Good to hear a different perspective on the whole thing. We will see how things shape up over the next year.

    Link: www.nytimes.com/2023/07/21/us/judge-cannon.html

    Shikadi ,

    Thank you for following up and posting the link!

    OldWoodFrame , in Italy PM Meloni says illegal migrant flows damage all nations

    They never seem to end this sentence with “so we’re spending the money to be able to process all legal applications as fast as possible and creating a new legal immigration pathway for good people fleeing hard circumstances”

    garretble , in Twitter to ditch bird logo, Musk says
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    Nothing says “genius businessman” like killing a globally recognized logo and branding.

    AwwTopsy ,

    And what about the actual name Twitter and “tweets”… Is he changing all that too or does he not realize that’s bird-related?

    SmarfDurden ,
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    I guess we’re calling tweets exes now? X’s?

    fist_of_fartitude ,
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    grimes

    shutz ,

    You know why Musk left Grimes, right? Like the saying goes: “Grimes doesn’t pay”

    JustZ ,
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    Seriously. I worked at a law firm one time that thas been around for like thirty years. Some of the younger partners bought out the older ones that were retiring and then wanted to change the name. Something like 75% of people who found the firm’s website did so by searching the name. I went bullshit. The name changed and new business dropped off.

    fixerdude2 , in Twitter to ditch bird logo, Musk says

    Poop is poop no matter how you package it.

    dm_me_ur_cock , in Court strikes down limits on filming of police in Arizona

    Hopefully the Supreme Court doesn’t override this decision when it get appealed to them.

    Deftdrummer ,

    Tell us you don’t understand the supreme courts abortion decision without telling us …

    ARk ,

    who asked

    oSillyScope ,

    However poorly, they may be trying to get at the Roe decision was about privacy, and that would have been the only leg that the pigs could have stood upon in regards to their being filmed. I may be giving them too much credit, but i have been actively try to be hopeful that some shred of humanity still exists in this world.

    tdawg ,

    You… You do know the supreme court does more than one thing right?

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