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mkwt , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi

Plane WiFi is a modern technological marvel and you’re lucky to be able to have it at all.

Not so long ago sat phones were the domain of the super rich, because they were paying several dollars per minute. Then it was down to 10 dollars for two hours of multiplexed satellite access. And now apparently it’s down to where advertising will work. That’s amazing.

stoy ,

I doubt the ads are streamed over the internet, this could easily be done with local storage.

With a possible quick database update over the internet to log views

pete_the_cat ,

Any plane internet I’ve used has been spotty and terribly slow, but then again, I haven’t bought it in years because of previous experiences. I can stand to be without it for 2.5 hours.

Sparky ,
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The speed is probably because you have to share 2mbps of bandwidth with 100+ people

TheGalacticVoid ,

I’ve been on some United flights that let you stream 4k video with no issue. It’s pretty uncommon, but it’s amazing when it’s there.

mkwt ,

Was this 4k video from an arbitrary source, like a random YouTube video? Or from United’s website?

I haven’t flown outside is Southwest in a while, but they have a bunch of licensed video content that is hosted locally on the plane. And therefore cheap.

TheGalacticVoid ,

It’s content from places like Netflix or Hulu, or anywhere else on the general internet.

prayer ,

Plane wifi, in the Continental US, is typically done via cell networks. The plane just has stronger receivers and transmitters than your cellphone.

skuzz ,

No, it’s mostly ViaSat (like in OP’s picture) now. Gogo never upgraded their infra to handle more traffic and kinda fell out of relevance. Planes with ViaSat will have large oval satellite domes on top that talk up to space.

mkwt ,

It’s illegal to use your cell phone’s cell modem on a plane, because of an FCC rule, not an FAA rule. The cells in the cell network are designed for traffic on the ground. At cruising altitude, your modem can see way too many cells at once.

Snapz , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi

And they all interrupt the “in flight entertainment” to read a VERY long and slowly delivered advertisement for their proprietary credit card (and in flight entertainment that you have to supply device for, so you end up with smaller screen, unstable connection, battery drain and watched at a painful viewing angle typically)

LodeMike ,

As opposed to an open source credit card?

Classy ,

Proprietary, as in, branded specifically to the airline itself. Like a Allegiant credit card, for example.

LodeMike ,

I know

Snapz ,

Oh cool, so just a pain in the ass then.

LodeMike ,

I was making a joke :)

MissJinx , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi
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is it free? I mean you either pay with money, time and/or data.

Jilanico ,
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If the ad is short and subsidizes free wifi, I ain’t mad. But if the ad is unreasonably long, or if I have to keep watching ads every x minutes to use WiFi, it becomes a problem. Not sure what the case is here, but it should be spelled out on the screen so we know what we’re getting ourselves into.

joenforcer ,

It’s a single short ad and works better than any plane Wi-Fi I’ve ever used. OP has one of the most entitled takes I’ve ever seen.

cupcakezealot , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi
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on the bright side they could make you watch an ad to check your bags, check in, and find your seat the way things are going

chimasterflex ,

Execs are furiously taking notes right now

linearchaos ,
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Shhhhhhhh

warm , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi

They can't be making much off this surely, how long would the ad have to be for it to even be worthwhile showing?

GlendatheGayWitch ,

This comment reminds me that one time I came across an hour and a half long ad on YouTube that turned out to be a full episode of some show and something else. It was crazy to see one that long after skipping a couple ads

prayer ,

For a time, the Lego movie was an add on YouTube. The full thing. You could skip it after 5 seconds, but you had the option of watch the full movie.

FireWire400 , in UPS has started charging for pickups even if you have a prepaid label
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Can I just say how shitty UPS is with pick ups? Every time I have to RMA something through Dell’s support they would schedule a delivery of the replacement part and a pick up of the defective one through UPS, right? Not once did UPS actually show up to pick up the parts.

Even when I manually schedule a pick up with them they just don’t show up; they sent an confirmation email saying that they did, but the part is still where I placed it for pick up. And when I email UPS to tell them they just repeat what the confirmation email said.

mark3748 ,

Probably because Dell uses fedex. I’ve been a Dell service tech off and on for 25 years, and it’s always been fedex.

FireWire400 ,
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Well, FedEx doesn’t even really exist over here so eh

plz1 , in UPS has started charging for pickups even if you have a prepaid label

This has been the case for a long time. Just go on the website and find a drop box or location. They are pretty much all over the place.

sgibson5150 OP ,

What’s a long time? I literally scheduled a pickup last year for a pre-paid label and it was free. Anyway, another commenter seemed to say that it’s the shipper’s choice whether they cover the home pickup or not.

Ghostalmedia , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi
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The more infuriating thing will be realizing that the inflight wifi is basically only good for texting and email.

dan ,
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Jetblue’s wifi is pretty decent. Not sure what technology they’re using but it’s quite a bit faster than some of the other airlines that make you pay for it.

NoneYa ,

I flew Delta last year and got their free WiFi when I signed up for an account with them. Think it was for a loyalty program for every flight I flew with them and one of the perks was free WiFi.

I used it for streaming from my Plex server at home and watched 1984 and some other movies on my phone on the flight and don’t remember encountering any buffering or other issues the whole time. Was pleasantly surprised and grateful for that so I didn’t have to use their movie selection.

Though I do have to say they had a pretty good free selection to choose from. I remember even TV shows which I thought was weird like The Sopranos was on there. I just preferred choosing from my own library and continuing where I left off on my server.

DanglingFury ,

I download from my Plex server to my local device (phone) for offline viewing

borari ,

I like scrolling through the offerings because it clues me in to foreign language films I had no idea existed, then I add them to my sonarr library.

grue , in Youtube's web UX team is a joke.
  • go back
  • video gone

That part is the worst. I am sick and tired of websites breaking the back button! When I click back it’s because I wanted to see the thing that was there before. If I wanted it to just refresh from scratch I would reload the page instead!

It’s not just YouTube, by the way. Even Lemmy does that shit too!

kionite231 ,

That’s why I always middle click the links.

Tanoh ,

…and it drives me insane when it is not real links but some javascript/button/div-with-onclick/etc and middle click won’t work

sacbuntchris ,

JavaScript frameworks give front end devs enough rope to hang themselves with

KingJalopy ,

Jerboa doesn’t do that in my experience.

RedStrider ,
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YouTube had a solution not too long ago, when you hovered on a thumbnail it would show a little button that queues up the video on a temporary playlist while you keep browsing. But for whatever reason they hid that in a menu.

grue ,

That’s not really the issue. The issue is that it doesn’t give you a proper URL with enough information to uniquely identify the set of results it loaded for you, so if you reload the page it re-runs the query and you get a new set of results instead of the same set you had before. That fundamentally breaks how the Internet is supposed to work: any particular URL should always go to the same resource.

The fact that Youtube also does lazy-loading infinite scroll bullshit makes it even harder to show examples about, so I’ll switch to Lemmy now. Take this URL, for example:

lemmy.world/?dataType=Post&listingType=All&pageCu…

(That’s from navigating to page 2 of my feed, which is set to “all” and “top 6 hours”.)

If I go to that URL now, and then I go to it again, say, six hours from now, it ought to still show the same list of posts. But it doesn’t. Instead, it re-runs the query and shows me the new results from six hours in the future, which is an entirely different result set. That’s not what I want! I want to be able to keep navigating back and forth through the old result set until I explicitly ask for a new one e.g. by clicking on the instance logo or choosing a new search from the [posts|comments], [subsribed|local|all], and [sort type list] controls.

intensely_human ,

Just generally speaking, I think of this as “concreteness”.

Software should seek to mimic real spaces, in the sense that one step back takes you to the place you were one step ago.

One pattern that breaks this in my opinion is when a menu appears as soon as you scroll up. It’s just a minor inconvenience, but 95% of the time I scroll up on an article, it’s because I want to re-read a line of text that just disappeared under the top of my screen. This menu reappear crap means I have to scroll up like three inches to get something that’s only a quarter inch under the upper edge.

I think it’s a matter of mental health to have software that faithfully mimics real world causality.

It’s all very vague in my head, but I would love to articulate this fully into a design spec.

It’s kind of like Google’s Material Design spec in its idea, but it’s about the effects of navigation rather than just how UI elements behave.

It kind of relates to the concept of a State Function in math and science.

hex ,

They could cache the results you receive on your last visit of the home page which would fix this

grue ,

It would not fix it. I also want to be able to do things like send the URL to someone else and have confidence that it would load the same content for them, too.

hex ,

I mean of course that would be nice, but that’s just not realistic. You can’t store that info in a link without it being monstrous.

Why do you say they couldn’t cache the results and instead of re-fetching everything just use the cache results?

grue ,

You can’t store that info in a link without it being monstrous.

Sure you can, if your backend is designed reasonably.

How? You put a timestamp (or equivalent) in the URL and filter the search to only operate on the records that existed at that time. Assuming your search algorithm is deterministic, it should find the same results.

hex ,

I agree with your point, but our algorithms are not deterministic and I doubt they ever will be again. Perhaps they could use a set of tags to create a deterministic result for a certain “genre” of results.

intensely_human ,

All the lemmy clients I’ve tried do this.

I see a thing, try to get back to it, and it just refreshes the whole thing from square one.

I’ve built react apps before, I get how that’s kind of easier because “when in doubt, goto 10” (I’ve written code from BASIC through jsx) but damn.

JackbyDev ,

I still see websites doing that shit where you click back and end up on a page that redirects you to where you where.

gencha , in This scam is approved and doesn't go against Google's policies

I have yet to get any other response than this template. Having scam ads is intentional. As long as the scammers pay for ads, everything is going as intended for Google

LifeOfChance , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi

It sucks but I like this over what target and walmart do. If you wanna use their wifi now you MUST create an account on their website and use that to login to their wifi.

ChaoticNeutralCzech , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi

Is there a way to capture these pages and report them to uBlock filter authors once online? I’d like to add a filter (or better, userscript that just enables and “clicks” the “continue” button) for my country’s rail company’s Wi-Fi captive portal but the JavaScript is obfuscated or compiled from another language so I have no idea what anything does, and of course the element classes are all randomized.

theotterone ,
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Can confirm that on Android with Firefox mobile + ublock origin the ads wouldn’t load and you were able to skip quite fast. (Not agreeing with the ads being displayed at all, that’s just a greedy move)

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

I am talking about the cdwifi.cz captive portal with its 30-second video ad. I cannot just disable large media because then the “Continue” button never gets enabled.

Moonrise2473 , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi

At least they don’t charge like $10 per hour to go at 64 kbits

More infuriating is the forced login on the infotainment screen. That’s extremely infuriating

Jimmycrackcrack ,

I once had a flight in two legs where the first leg was operated by a well known established airline for an okay ish price and the second leg was operated by a “sister” airline that did shorter ultra low cost flights. The first flight had infotainment screens and a few other minor comforts that are standard for economy flights these days and make it just slightly more bearable, whereas the 2nd flight had no screens, no food without paying separately and just made as uncomfortable as possible on purpose.

During the first flight, you could use their crappy as screens on the back of the chair in front or connect to their local network with your own device, which was free and didn’t involve any shenanigans like ads or accounts. I made use of the service which worked by entering a URL printed on the back of the chair in front. On the second leg, there was no screens and no apparent mention of an onboard entertainment offering through your own devices but there was some sort of QR code which I assume was supposed to take you to a payment portal or something but which didn’t even work. It was a different URL to the first flight.

I still had my tab open from the first flight though, and when I accidentally opened that tab on the second flight, I got access to the seemingly hidden entertainment service with no payment or logins or anything. Seems that sometimes it’s just a question of knowing the magic URL.

dan , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi
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Maybe they should make it so you can choose whether you want to watch an ad or pay. A lot of people will still choose to watch the ad.

Frozengyro ,

Their schtick is free Wi-Fi, so it would kinda take away from their model.

SoupBrick , in Youtube's web UX team is a joke.

The TV UI is worse, especially the search. It only shows 10-12 videos related to what you actually searched. The rest are suggestions.

makr_alland ,

The TV UI is horrible and has negative development: Less features and more bugs every release.

Do you want to go to a video’s channel? Well, that depends on where you are:

  • Go to Home.
  • Long-press on a video.
  • Press “Go to channel”.
  • Go to Subscriptions.
  • Long-press on a video.
  • Fewer options because fuck you.
  • Start the video, press down, up, right, select.
  • Oh, it was a short video? You fell into the trap! Down goes to another video. Go back, select the video again, press right, right, select.

And that’s just one example.

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