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ColeSloth , in McDonald's Experience by non McDonald's patron.

I don’t eat their often either, but the current meal deal with fries, drink, double burger, and nugs for $5 is pretty great by today’s fast food prices, so I’ve gone a few times over the last month.

Everything at the one I’ve been going to seems on the up and up. (I use the apk and hit the drive through). Foods been between pretty warm and hot every time. Only real gripe is that every time I order the burger no ketchup, no onions, and extra Mustard, and every time there’s only the tiniest damned bit of mustard on it. Like…I want some Mustard, damn it.

dmtalon OP ,

Wife mentioned it today at work and it appears “that” McD’s is notorious for being awful. Again, I’m McD’s expert but the story on here about profits down last quarter was just odd timing for me ending up at one. So ijad my own opinion as to why there may be more issues!

padge , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi

I flew on Porter and their “ad” was just a 30 second thing about how they’re a cool airline. That’s fine, although the real cost is that they make you have a rewards account

Ithi ,

You don’t have to have an account. The alternative is an ad every 30 minutes though and a kind of annoying disconnect (maybe?) depending on your device.

I went with making an account but the person flying with me just watched the same ad every 30 min.

possiblylinux127 , in McDonald's Experience by non McDonald's patron.

Fast food isn’t good for you and shouldn’t be consumed more than once a month

somewhiteguy , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi

It’s a free wifi service provided by the airline while on the flight. One ad, when most other places are charging $10-20 per flight? I’ll watch the single ad. I’d rather that then someone, say, injecting adverts into sites and services. which is very possible.

treeofnik OP ,
@treeofnik@discuss.online avatar

Agree, which is why this is mildly infuriating and not worse. Of course there were about 10 minutes of unskippable ads on their media screens before take-off which was a pleasure to be subjected to. That should get everyone free WiFi without needing an additional ad…

brbposting ,

Maybe it got you thirty cents off the ticket 😉

brbposting ,

Better PR if they have a button underneath that says “skip ad ($20)”?

IamAnonymous , in JetBlue makes you watch an ad to connect to wifi

Isn’t the WiFi free? It’s free for a reason. You aren’t forced to use it.

darkdemize ,

For real. I’d rather watch an ad than have to pay $10+ for a couple hours of wifi.

Cosmos7349 ,

I mean they paid for the flight

Tier1BuildABear ,
@Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world avatar

Not all flights include Wi-Fi, even if the plane is equipped with it

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

And they’re getting a flight.

bionicjoey ,

Flights have amenities. Some give you free food, some free wifi.

None of it is actually free of course. It’s just that the cost is included in the ticket price.

owatnext ,

I don’t want food or WiFi. I want legroom so I can sleep. I don’t want seatback entertainment. I don’t want a complimentary tea towel, blanket, and neck pillow. I don’t want your stupid cheapo earbuds. I don’t want Tim Tams and that little sachet of Vegemite with my toast. I don’t want your gross instant coffee. I don’t even want a flat white. I don’t care that you have soymilk. And thay muffin you gave me has egg in it. I told you I can’t have egg. I don’t want your little tiny tube of toothpaste with that miniature toothbrush. I don’t want to watch Adam Sandler’s Wedding Singer on that screen you have on the wall in front of the aisle. I want legroom. I want to watch the insides of my eyelids. I hate having to lay my legs sideways for hours and being unable to relax or sleep because I am knees-pressed against the seat in front of me. And that camera on the seat back freaks me out. Why why why. Just let me sleep.

Sorry. I got a bit agitated there.

tyrant ,

Camera on the back of the seat? I haven’t seen that one yet, will have to bring tape on my next flight

owatnext ,

Watch out for United. That was the seatback camera airline. Qantas was the better of the ones I have been on. At least I could put the iPad with a camera in the seat pocket on Qantas.

brbposting ,

2019:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/db49e2b4-40b8-491a-8ff0-51e02146188e.jpeg

no plans

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Advertisers could be charged more depending on whether their ads are played while the flyer appears awake or not. Yayyy

TheGalacticVoid ,

Legroom is probably the most expensive thing to give on a plane, so if you want legroom, pay for the privilege and fly business class. Otherwise, at least try to enjoy the few concessions you get from the airline

owatnext ,

Oh I’ll enjoy the little mini spy camera on the back of the seat alright.

Cosmos7349 ,

I mean if the price of wifi is offset by showing a single ad, it seems preeeetty stingy after you already paid for a seat.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Other airlines make you pay $6-$10 for the wifi. Wouldn’t you rather watch one ad and get it for free?

Cosmos7349 ,

You’re talking about what is, and I’m talking about what could be.

coffeejoe ,

No. No I wouldn’t. I never want to be forced to watch an ad.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

You’re not forced to though… You could just not use the wifi.

grubbyweasel ,

spirit CEO ^

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

I understood the mildly infuriating aspect to be how airlines find a way to extract value from you at every step of your trip.

cyberpunk007 ,

I still open Plex and sync a bunch of shit to my phone or tablet before I take any flights. Old-school is still the way.

maccentric , in McDonald's Experience by non McDonald's patron.

The McDonalds in my area is pretty amazing (Silverthorne CO). There’s always like 10 employees and it just hums in there. I only ever order from the app; I get a large fries no salt and a large unsweetened iced tea for $2. The fries are always fresh (no salt is key) and they are ready within a minute of me walking in the door.

dmtalon OP ,

Appreciate the comment! That said, I’m not looking to find ways to better my McDonald’s experience here :)

I just need to build that time since I was at McDonald’s back up. I wanted to vent after seeing the story about price likely causing their 1/4 results. I think there’s more to it.

maccentric ,

It has to cost them more than $2 in materials and time for my order; I’m slowly putting them out of business ;p

dmtalon OP ,

Haha

Xenny ,

As a fry jockey. Fuck you. I make all fries fresh to order but all you assholes online just tell people to order no salt fries to be “fresh” it might work at McDonald’s but lemme tell you where I work a no salt fry is made at my convenience and set aside because making a no salt fry means WIPING DOWN EVERYTHING COVERED IN SALT It is not a “hack” eveywhere.

Every other goddamn online order is “no salt” but also extra cheese, double bacon, extra pickle. It slows things down so much I’m actually trying to get no salts for online orders banned.

maccentric ,

Hey friend, sorry about that, but there’s just way too much on them otherwise. I end up wiping them down with a napkin and giving up after a handful if they have the typical amount of salt on them—I don’t know how people do it

Xenny ,

If you just want less salt I forgive you. If you are trying a fast food hack to get fresh fries when you would have gotten fresh fries anyway then that’s what makes my blood boil

Summzashi , in McDonald's Experience by non McDonald's patron.

Cool story bro

intensely_human ,

i never go to mcdonalds but i did and then it was bad mcdonalds wtf the end

StaySquared , in Is this just how it’s gonna be till Election Day?

LOL

The left has GOT to stop using race/skin color.

ByteOnBikes , (edited )

As a Democrat, I agree.

But I kinda want to see how deep this goes.

WhiteDudesWhoLikeFriesInTheirMilkshakes4Harris .com

PuertoRicansWhoAreOkayWithTacoBell4Harris .com

BlackAnimeFansWhoAreCasualFansNotLikeThatWeirdShitLikeMyWifeIsADogFromAnotherWorld4Harris .com

StaySquared ,

lmao.

ouRKaoS ,

I’m in one of these oddly specific groups, and I feel both validated and paranoid.

CanadaPlus ,

It’s a pretty relevant distinction within American life. I’m no strategist, but it doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Cryophilia ,

The only people who think race don’t matter is people who exclusively interact within the same race.

CanadaPlus ,

It’s a social construct that didn’t exist until the 1600s, but it’s a real social construct.

Outside America and other former plantation economies it can be a bit different, and less in-your-face, but it’s almost always still there.

Cryophilia ,

It’s not purely a social construct, I hate this stupid idea. It’s a phenotype. Babies do not have a randomized skin color at birth, it depends on their ancestry. Calling that a “social construct” is arguably racist in itself.

CanadaPlus ,

Skin colour is a complete continuum, and one which doesn’t very in any uniform way based on geography, aside from the darkest people coming recently from Africa.

By this logic, ear size is a race.

Cryophilia ,

Yes! You’re getting it. Ear size is an aspect of race. As is hair texture and height and all the other inheritable phenotypes. Skin color is just the most visibly obvious one.

barsoap , (edited )

So you’re saying race == phenotype? Then you also have to say that race is a continuum, and, therefore, any arbitrary line on that continuum a social construct.

Which is btw blindingly obvious to Europeans, Harris is white in my book: There’s plenty of Italians with darker skin. Funny how perception changes if you actually consider skin colour to be skin colour and not some grand overarching signifier for an in reality culturally defined group.

Cryophilia ,

Then you also have to say that race is a continuum, and, therefore, any arbitrary line on that continuum a social construct.

Well by that definition fucking everything is a social construct. Which, sure, there’s a decent philosophical argument that even reality is a social construct, but it makes it impossible to discuss anything if you get hung up on that.

I’ve got a secret to let you in on: aside from mathematics and some physics, literally everything is categorized based on arbitrary lines on a continuum. Taxonomic classification. Whether an object is a planet or not. “Ocean” vs “sea”. Macro vs micro economics. Every single thing that is classified, a person or group of persons had to make a decision and in some cases that decision was not very clear or easy.

That doesn’t mean it’s a pure social construct, and it definitely doesn’t mean the categories are invalid. It means they’re blurry at the boundaries, like all things are. It means they’re part of a continuum, like all things are. It does NOT mean or imply that the categories are invalid.

barsoap ,

Well by that definition fucking everything is a social construct.

Nope. That humans generally have five fingers is not a social construct, it’s an (emergent) property of our genome.

Whether Harris is sorted into “white” or “black” OTOH is based on a social construct: The US’s conception of race is not based on physical traits but social realities. It harkens back to the one drop rule which is complete BS when it comes to biology, what matters in her being sorted into “black” is not her phenotype (quite light skin, temperate climate nose, …), but that a portion, at least a drop, of her ancestry comes from black slaves. That’s a social context, not a biological one.

Even more obvious is Obama, actually: He’s not a descendant of slaves. So it’s not even heritage which dictates whether you’re black in the US, but whether your phenotype looks like you possibly could be.

Let me end with Epictetus:

These reasonings are unconnected: “I am richer than you, therefore I am better”; “I am more eloquent than you, therefore I am better.” The connection is rather this: “I am richer than you, therefore my property is greater than yours;” “I am more eloquent than you, therefore my style is better than yours.” But you, after all, are neither property nor style.

Cryophilia ,

The US’s conception of race is not based on physical traits but social realities.

This is the fucking bullshit that makes me want to bitch slap all you academic morons who keep insisting that race is a social construct. It’s so goddamn fucking annoying. YOU JUST FUCKING ASSERT THIS. FUCKING A PRIORI. And then you use that bullshit assertion to build the world’s biggest fucking straw man.

It’s so goddamn stupid and also so smug at the same time, which is a rage-inducing combination coming from anyone. But especially from Kaeieghlyyn who somehow spent 4 years in college studying racial inequality without ever stepping foot in a ghetto.

No one ever gave a shit about the “one drop law”, not even in the racist South where it existed, unless someone needed an excuse to exercise power over someone else. If you pass as white you are, for all intents and purposes, white.

How does one get to the situation where they pass as white?

Their parents could pass as white! At least one of them. It’s an inherited characteristic, which is what race is. That’s it, that’s the whole thing. Race is a bundle of inherited physical characteristics sorted by commonalities.

That humans generally have five fingers is not a social construct, it’s an (emergent) property of our genome.

But some humans have different numbers of fingers! Some have four, some have six! Some humans are born without hands! Therefore your entire system of categorization is invalid! You cannot classify things in any way, because exceptions might exist! Literally everything is a social construct!!!

Or, you know. Alternatively. Categorizations are valid despite the fact that exceptions exist.

Don’t “end with” a fucking quote from a fucking philosopher. It’s the bitch icing on a giant cake of smugness. I’m happy to debate this with you but for the love of christ at least pretend to be fucking humble. Also your quote is stupid, because it’s referring to the type of straw in your straw man. You’re trying to explain some shit that doesn’t matter, because your entire premise is wrong.

barsoap ,

YOU JUST FUCKING ASSERT THIS. FUCKING A PRIORI.

No. Case in point: I mentioned how Harris has lighter skin than many a Sicilian, and also very much has a temperate climate nose. These are not, in the slightest, phenotype traits typical of sub-saharan Africa mostly Nigeria thereabouts where most of the slaves trafficked during the Atlantic slave trade where from.

If you can’t see that then I suggest you visit an optometrist.

If you pass as white you are, for all intents and purposes, white.

Then why is Harris considered black? What does “passing” mean, here? Does it really have anything to do with phenotype, or is it cultural?

But some humans have different numbers of fingers! Some have four,

That’s a misexpression, the genome codes for five. And even then: Having six fingers is a physical, objective, trait. Harris being black isn’t, phenotypically she could just as well be Italian.

Cryophilia ,

As I have said, picking individual outliers does not invalidate a category. I think you’ve got it backwards. We interpret racial characteristics through a social lense. But the characteristics do, themselves, exist. And they are easily grouped (not exclusively, but generally) into the categories we call “race”. And we’re not randomly picking traits. They’re inherited via a common ancestry. As you said, physical, observable traits.

Could Harris pass as Sicilian? Probably not, but even if she could, she doesn’t have any Sicilian ancestry to my knowledge, so it would be inaccurate to call her Sicilian. Or Indian or Korean or whatever. She could call herself Nordic and we would laugh at her.

barsoap , (edited )

As I have said, picking individual outliers does not invalidate a category.

I didn’t say anything about validity.

Probably not, but even if she could, she doesn’t have any Sicilian ancestry to my knowledge, so it would be inaccurate to call her Sicilian.

So it would be inaccurate to call Obama African American because he has no slave ancestry?


“African American” is a subculture identified with people freed from slavery. It is not a thing of ancestry, or Obama wouldn’t be part of it. It is not a matter of phenotype, or Harris wouldn’t be part of it. And both aren’t outliers, they’re simply prominent examples. At the same time, you have more recent African immigrants to the US who very much insist that they are not part of that group identity. Dunno how Obama’s father identified but he had that kind of heritage.

Noone, at least no American, is questioning Harris’ and Obama’s identity as African American, and that’s precisely because it’s neither about ancestry nor phenotype but subcultural belonging. They’re African American because they stay vibing that way.

She could call herself Nordic and we would laugh at her.

Plenty of people with much darker skin in the Nordics. If she had gone to school and studied in Norway or something Nordic would be absolutely accurate. See here on the other side of the Atlantic we don’t sort ethnicities by phenotype because phenotype has nothing to do with ethnicity. Correlation, yes, causation, fuck no. Double triple fuck no. This man is Oldenburger. How could I claim otherwise his Low Saxon is better than mine! …and Harris is African American, even she doesn’t fit the phenotype, because it’s only correlation, and Obama is African American, he fits the phenotype and chose to vibe that way, but also might’ve chosen otherwise. Which probably would not have exactly been the path of least resistance because America, overall, is racist AF with their subcultural identifications.

Cryophilia ,

Phenotype has nothing to do with nationality. Nationality =/= ethnicity.

See here on the other side of the Atlantic

You force migrant Africans to drown in the Mediterranean, get off your high horse dude.

So it would be inaccurate to call Obama African American because he has no slave ancestry?

It would be debatable. That’s the point I’ve been trying to make. You take a set of physical characteristics and common heritage and you classify people based on that. Some people won’t neatly fall into those classifications and that’s okay, but the classifications are still valid.

I didn’t say anything about validity.

That’s the whole point of the phrase “race is a social construct”. Attacking the validity of race as a concept.

barsoap , (edited )

Nationality =/= ethnicity.

I never claimed them to be equal. Also, “Nordic” isn’t a nationality, Norwegian would be. If Harris was born in the US, moved to Norway when she was 3, went to school in Norway, studied in Norway, then returned to the US, what ethnicity do you think she would identify with? And yes bi-ethnic people exist, very common in fact because people do move around.

You force migrant Africans to drown in the Mediterranean, get off your high horse dude.

Did you just call me Italian. Or Greek. Or whatever. You force migrant Latinos to drown in the Rio Grande.

You take a set of physical characteristics and common heritage and you classify people based on that.

Why would you connect such unconnected things as phenotype and heritage? Why not have separate classifiers for both things? Why, then, on top of that, sort people into subcultures based on those classifiers?

That’s the whole point of the phrase “race is a social construct”. Attacking the validity of race as a concept.

Democracy is a social construct. Freedom is a social construct. The only thing that’s getting attack, and should and must be attacked, is a purported biological basis for ascribing properties to people based on phenotype because that’s complete BS. And with that, I repeat the Epictetus quote:

These reasonings are unconnected: “I am richer than you, therefore I am better”; “I am more eloquent than you, therefore I am better.” The connection is rather this: “I am richer than you, therefore my property is greater than yours;” “I am more eloquent than you, therefore my style is better than yours.” But you, after all, are neither property nor style.

Do you now, finally, understand what he’s saying there? The connection is not “You have black skin, therefore, you are African American”, the connection is rather “You have black skin, therefore, you get sunburnt less easy than me”.

Cryophilia ,

If Harris was born in the US, moved to Norway when she was 3, went to school in Norway, studied in Norway, then returned to the US, what ethnicity do you think she would identify with?

Identity with, or identify as? You can choose the former to an extent, but the latter is biologically inherited.

Why would you connect such unconnected things as phenotype and heritage?

Fine, since you’re getting hung up on definitions, instead of “phenotype” say “inherited physical characteristics”. I don’t feel like getting into an argument about genetics, it’s beside the point. The point is, people inherit physical characteristics common to their enthnicity, and that is what “race” is. It’s not a bad thing, just a descriptor.

The connection is not “You have black skin, therefore, you are African American”

The connection is “you have black skin, and wiry hair, and African ancestry, and X and Y and Z, therefore you are Black.” And it’s less a connection than a definition. No value judgment, just a statement.

It sounds like what you should be arguing against is “you are Black, therefore you are inferior”. Which would be a really easy and common argument to make without all this bullshit “race is imaginary” crap.

barsoap ,

You can choose the former to an extent, but the latter is biologically inherited.

So Obama isn’t African American, got it.

The point is, people inherit physical characteristics common to their enthnicity

Ethnicity is not genetic. Are you one of those yanks spewing nonsense such as “I’m 23% French that’s why I like mayonnaise”.

“race is imaginary”

That anyone said that is something you’re imagining. Also just because we’re imagining something doesn’t mean it’s not real. A judge is just a human in fancy clothes imagining to have power over you, try telling them that as a defendant they’ll be impressed at your reasoning skills. The bailiffs? Only imagining that they have to follow the judge’s orders.

Cryophilia ,

Ethnicity is not genetic.

I told you, ignore the genetic bit if you want to quibble about it. I’m talking about inherited physical characteristics. What would you call it? Pick a word, whatever. That’s what I’m talking about, and that’s the basis for race.

barsoap ,

I’m talking about inherited physical characteristics.

That’s genetics.

Cryophilia ,

Ok, there you have it. I think that’s an incorrect usage of the word, but for the sake of discussion, let’s call it genetics. It’s a real, physical, biological phenomenon and it’s not purely a social construct (except in the vague sense that all of interpreted reality is a social construct).

barsoap ,

What is real and physical about Harris being black when looked from one perspective, and as white when looked at from another?

Cryophilia ,

One is incorrect. I don’t really understand the question.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Well, words can mean whatever you want, but usually race refers to the discrete-ish social categories that have been constructed based roughly on specific phenotypes. For example Black people were a discrete legal category for most of America’s history, and were nominally 3/5 of a person and treated as much less. Now, they have equal legal rights on paper, but the category remains informally.

Cryophilia ,

That’s an academic ivory tower definition that they invented and no one else uses. Even the blatant racists who sorted races into these social categories did so based on physical appearance. You didn’t see any dark skin people allowed to use facilities that said “whites only”.

It’s based on physical appearance, which is based on phenotype.

CanadaPlus ,

That’s what I said!

but usually race refers to the discrete-ish social categories that have been constructed based roughly on specific phenotypes.

Cryophilia ,

For example Black people were a discrete legal category

THAT is not a race. That is treatment of a race. That is 100% a social construct.

Race itself is a real biological thing that exists. Not a pure social construct.

Stop conflating them.

CanadaPlus ,

I really don’t think most people use this definition. Like, would you say “what race are you” is a grammatically incorrect question, then? And what about “hispanic” as a racial descriptor? How do you be hispanic-er than someone else?

Cryophilia ,

Like, would you say “what race are you” is a grammatically incorrect question, then?

No? That question is totally in line with the definition of race I gave.

The census says “hispanic” is an ethnicity rather than a race. I disagree; I think that’s splitting hairs.

How do you be hispanic-er than someone else?

I’m 1/4 Hispanic. My mom was half Hispanic (Mexican mother, European father…not saying the country = race before you get your panties in a twist, it’s just a fucking shorthand, everyone knows that most Mexicans are Hispanic and most Europeans are not). My mom is more Hispanic than me. Fairly simple concept.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Right, so what’s the Hispanic phenotype? As far as anyone can tell it’s a language, which isn’t a phenotype, and until someone brown opens their mouth they could just as easily be an Arab or a particularly tawny Italian. Or are Arabs Hispanic, too?

barsoap ,

Or are Arabs Hispanic, too?

Phenotypically? Yes, they’re very close. The whole Mediterranean is which shouldn’t be terribly surprising. I guess the reason USians use “Hispanic” and not “Greek” is because Mexico speaks Spanish.

The reason Europeans can reliably tell Sicilians and Arabs apart is not because of phenotype, but because Arabs tend to look like they visit the barber five times a day. Probably because they do.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Yeah, but to be a phenotype, and not just a social construct based partially on a phenotype, it has to go the other way. If having the phenotype isn’t enough on it’s own to guarantee a race, it’s not just about phenotypes. Kind of like how having wheels doesn’t make a suitcase a car.

(Also, FWIW Spaniards are mostly pale-skinned - I know because I’ve actually been there. The brown in Latin America comes from admixture with other local and imported populations)

Cryophilia ,

No category is absolute. By your logic, it’s impossible to call anything a car, because cars have wheels but suitcases ALSO have wheels, therefore the entire idea that cars exist is just a made up social construct.

Or for a less ridiculous example: is a battery-powered bicycle actually an electric moped? Or the ever classic, is a hotdog a sandwich? We can discuss these questions without questioning the validity of concepts such as bicycles, mopeds, hotdogs and sandwiches. Categories exist. They are useful descriptors despite the existence of edge cases and blurry boundaries.

CanadaPlus ,

And we’re back!

Yes, categories are useful but (outside of mathematics) imprecise. A car needs to be motorised and able to carry at least one passenger. Arguably, it also needs at least 4 wheels or to be 3-wheeled and enclosed, to include Reliant Robins. There’s still probably edge cases, but it’s fair to say it’s a subset of wheeled objects that generally applies and is needed both in economics and engineering, as well as everyday life.

Racial categories aren’t useful for science, though. Did you know, for example, that most human genetic variety occurs within Africa, because of the common out-of-Africa ancestry everyone else has? Phenotypically, I have less information, but you have tiny pygmies as well as the Maasi (with an average male height of 6’4), and every skin colour from Sudanese literal black to Egyptian/Berber olive, so I’m guessing it’s the same.

Maybe that’s the point of contention here. They’re relevant socially, but biology has moved on.

Cryophilia ,

Racial categories aren’t useful for science, though.

Au contraire

Black people are at a much higher risk for mutations in the hemoglobin gene responsible for SCA. Researchers believe the reason lies in how this condition has evolved.

Over time, sickle cell conditions have evolved to protect against malaria, a parasitic infection spread by mosquito bites. Malaria is common in sub-Saharan Africa and other parts of the world that also have a high prevalence of sickle cell. Having SCT — but not SCA — helps reduce the severity of malaria.

healthline.com/…/sickle-cell-anemia-black-people

That’s just off the top of my head, I’m sure there’s many other examples. Health care for Black vs white vs Asian etc is slightly different. And it’s not due to social conditions alone - the same mechanisms that made people whose predominant ancestry is sub-Saharan African have darker skin, also caused this decreased resistance to sickle cell anemia.

Another one that just came to me was lactose intolerance. White people have higher tolerance for lactose, so a milk-heavy diet is worse for other races.

Ignoring race is not only problematic societally, but is bad science.

CanadaPlus ,

Yeah, Healthline is a source for laymen. That information is provided that way because people won’t know what Y-DNA haplogroup they’re in, but will generally know if they’re considered black. There’s public health research by race too, but again that’s related to social outcomes and data availability.

White people have higher tolerance for lactose, so a milk-heavy diet is worse for other races.

Except the other highly tolerant cluster is West Africans, with smaller ones in places like Pakistan and Arabia.

Stolen from r*ddit, although you can find many similar ones elsewhere

Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about the scientific consensus:

Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptions of race are untenable, scientists around the world continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways. While some researchers continue to use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits or observable differences in behavior, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race is inherently naive or simplistic. Still others argue that, among humans, race has no taxonomic significance because all living humans belong to the same subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.

And here’s what the World Medical Association has to say:

Despite the fact that races do not exist in the genetic sense, in some cultures racial categories are used as a form of cultural expression or identity, or a means of reflecting shared historical experiences. This is one aspect of the concepts of “ethnicity” or “ancestry”.

I tried to find something from the AMA, but it’s so well established all the recent stuff takes the non-biological nature of race as a granted, and talks more about the ethics of handling the social categories.

Cryophilia ,

Yeah but it’s still obvious bullshit. Bad science is bad science no matter what level of authority does it.

That information is provided that way because people won’t know what Y-DNA haplogroup they’re in, but will generally know if they’re considered black.

So? Instead of “race” you’re saying “Y-DNA Halogroup”. Performative bullshit just to avoid the fact that race is real. You could call it “Mario Kart” instead of race, it’s still the same damn thing and it’s still real.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Yeah but it’s still obvious bullshit.

According to who? At this point unless you’re a genetics expert yourself it’s starting to sound like a conspiracy theory.

Y-DNA haplogroups in no way correspond to race. They look a bit like the lactose map: Interesting, and unrelated to the traditional social categorisations. Pretty much all genetic maps are like that.

Cryophilia ,

A haplotype is a group of alleles in an organism that are inherited together from a single parent,[1][2] and a haplogroup (haploid from the Greek: ἁπλοῦς, haploûs, “onefold, simple” and English: group) is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor with a single-nucleotide polymorphism mutation.[3] More specifically, a haplotype is a combination of alleles at different chromosomal regions that are closely linked and that tend to be inherited together. As a haplogroup consists of similar haplotypes, it is usually possible to predict a haplogroup from haplotypes. Haplogroups pertain to a single line of descent. As such, membership of a haplogroup, by any individual, relies on a relatively small proportion of the genetic material possessed by that individual.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup

That’s race! That’s the definition of race! Fucking university types just don’t like the word!

Haplogroups can be used to define genetic populations and are often geographically oriented. For example, the following are common divisions for mtDNA haplogroups:

African: L0, L1, L2, L3, L4, L5, L6

West Eurasian: H, T, U, V, X, K, I, J, W (all listed West Eurasian haplogroups are derived from macro-haplogroup N)[10]

East Eurasian: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, Y, Z (note: C, D, E, G, and Z belong to macro-haplogroup M)

Native American: A, B, C, D, X

Australo-Melanesian: P, Q, S

They are describing race! It’s super fucking obvious if you get rid of whatever white guilt stupidity makes you get the ick when you hear the word “race”.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

You’ll notice letters appear more than once, and there’s more than one letter for every group. Also, that’s mtDNA, and if you actually cared about biology you’d know that’s only one type on DNA, inherited one way, and you can completely mix and match with the Y haplogroups.

I get it, you hate wokes. I don’t really think cultural disgruntlement is a good basis for defining “science”, though. I suspect there’s no more useful information to exchange here.

Cryophilia ,

I hate people who push bad science in service to an agenda. Especially when it’s doublethink levels of blatantly, obviously wrong bad science.

CanadaPlus ,

And I just don’t think that’s happening. Science moved away from race long before it was cool. The first steps happened over a century ago; Hitler was already doing pseudoscience. (I guess there is actually something to add)

Cryophilia ,

Science moved away from phrenology, but we’re not going around claiming that skulls are a social construct. It’s ridiculous. Just because something has been misused by bigots, doesn’t mean we should pretend the thing doesn’t exist.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Phrenological propensities are were a social construct. Skulls and variation within them exist. Ditto for human biological variation in other things. You can call that race, but nobody else thinks of Senogambia when you say “the milk drinking race”, and words don’t have fixed meanings independent of how they’re understood.

Sorry if I came off as a little abrasive there, that wasn’t my intention, I was basically just saying we should agree to disagree at some point.

Cryophilia ,

I was basically just saying we should agree to disagree at some point.

I’m afraid I can’t settle for that. This idea that race is some made up thing is offensive to me. I have to correct people who say they agree with it.

You can call that race, but nobody else thinks of Senogambia when you say “the milk drinking race”,

There it is. That’s actually what this entire discussion turns on, every time I have it. First, I have to get the other person to admit that inherited physical characteristics exist, which can be a chore for some people. Then, when they admit that, they say some variation of “but that’s not the definition of race / that’s not what people mean when they say race”.

This is actually the more important thing that you have to shake loose of. Certain academic institutions claim this, but they are overwhelmingly wrong. When people talk about race, they do not talk about some vague abstraction. They almost always are referring to specific inherited characteristics usually tied to the physical place a person’s ancestral group is from.

The irony is, the only people who could be operating under the delusion that when people talk about race they’re referring to some vague social thing are people who don’t interact with a lot of different people. This idea that race is a social construct is quarantined to one very specific social stratum, because anyone who gets more worldly experience very quickly realizes it’s bunk.

It’s pretty intuitive when once you realize it. It’s very basic, very “what you see is what you get”. When people talk about race, they talk about the very surface-level, most obvious, simplest definition. No deeper meaning. People are not subconsciously philosophizing. People are not closet racial supremacists. They’re just describing what they see. “Inherited physical characteristics” is the simplest definition of race, and trying to find some deeper meaning of the term is a red herring.

To go back to the phrenology example, the existence of race does not require bigotry. Which is probably why academia came up with this absurd idea, they were scared of bigotry. The existence of skulls does not require phrenology to be true. It’s bunk, and it’s racist.

Racism is bullshit.

Race exists.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Well then, I guess I break this off unilaterally at some point. Debate doesn’t work, you can’t browbeat someone into believing something (well, on soft topics anyway, you can with math). Most people just know that, I had to learn the hard way. Maybe you will eventually too.

I personally am neither rich nor fancy. I live in the country; I’ve never lived anywhere else as an adult. Believe me, specific races are a real thing where I live, and probably in the city too. It’s not some thing made up by a spooky cabal of academics. It’s strange you could even think that, with all the evidence from recent history to the contrary, including laws referencing the separate races, and how much mixing of them was acceptable. You could argue I’m not worldly enough, but my family is rather international, which should count for something. I’m kinda academic now, but that’s because I just was born an egghead. If it’s class that’s the issue, I’m not in the picture.

Cryophilia ,

Debate is for the audience, not for your opponent.

CanadaPlus ,

I don’t think the audience cares either, past a point. The shit that gets a response is factual, and getting facts out is, along with basic respect for you, the reason I’m here.

Cryophilia ,

Upvote/downvote totals matter. Seeing a ton of push back in the comments matters.

CanadaPlus ,

Well, you pushed, and I pushed. We’re deep in enough most people have stopped reading anyway. Goodbye, nice chatting with you.

Cryophilia ,

Fair enough, have a great day.

Cryophilia ,

and until someone brown opens their mouth they could just as easily be an Arab or a particularly tawny Italian.

…if all brown people look the same to you, you might need to start meeting more people from different races.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Hmm. How good is your eye for heritage? Can you pick apart Telugu from Hindi, for example? Mongol from Chinese?

It’s a total continuum so there is no perfect, but mine might be relatively bad, that’s true. I have an uncle with mixed ancestry, and I didn’t pick up on it until someone told me, lol.

Re-edit: Aaand federation broke. My apologies to this user for the misaimed accusation. I’ve apologised in private messages, which hopefully go through normally.

Cryophilia ,

I think I actually can pick Mongol from (Han) Chinese, actually.

It’s a total continuum so there is no perfect

Agreed.

As for your edit, you responded to me, dude. I didn’t jump over here.

CanadaPlus ,

Ah sorry, I replied to the wrong user with that edit. How embarrassing. Deepest apologies for that.

Cryophilia ,

No worries, it happens.

enbyecho ,

The left has GOT to stop using race/skin color.

You first.

StaySquared ,

I don’t need to… I don’t care about people’s skin color or race or religion or ethnicity or their nationalities. That doesn’t define an individual.

enbyecho ,

Sure, right. Because I’m sure you are free and clear of centuries of systemic white supremacy… Uh huh.

kmartburrito ,
StaySquared ,

Indeed. But worst.

hellfire103 , in Google and Big tech are unbelievably vicious!

I haven’t touched my YouTube channel in over a year now, but at this rate I’m thinking of deleting it altogether. There doesn’t seem to be a PeerTube instance willing to host all of my content (it’s essentially an archive for old PSAs, with occasional top 10s), so I reckon I’ll download the entire channel with JDownloader and then wait until I can host an instance of PeerTube or MediaGoblin.

Chozo , in McDonald's Experience by non McDonald's patron.

McDonald's has been on a really steep decline for the last few years, it seems. They used to be tolerable; they weren't the best fast food around, but they also weren't the worst, and were generally a pretty good deal for your money. The last few times I've gone, the prices have been higher than the time before, and the quality lower than before.

The last time I went was nearly a year ago; my food was cold and my shake was melted, and it was nearly $20 for just one person. There's just no reason to go back.

GluWu ,

All fast food has been racing each other to total enshitification. I used to each so much taco bell, it was never good, but decent enough for the price. I had one of the large brown bags almost completely full of fire sauce. I haven’t gone in probably a year because their food got blander and more expensive. It feels like everything is just made from nutrient paste but made to look like foods that existed in the old world.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble , in McDonald's Experience by non McDonald's patron.

As an ex McDicks employee the mistake is going into mcdonalds at the end of the night. Past 7pm things slow down and employees start heading home. And drive thru ordering is always prioritized over in store orders.

If you want good McDonalds show up in the lunch/dinner rush, all other times they’re running low on staff, and the food has sat in their warmers for eons. It’s also kind luck of the draw on if you get the employees that have 3 brain cells. Sometimes you’ll show up late when the non nose pickers are there and actually get good food. Other times you’ll get there and spend 10 minutes staring at a guy picking his nose looking at his phone instead of grabbing the food and putting it into the bag.

sunzu ,

If you want good McDonalds show up in the lunch/dinner rush

Imagine this being said 10-20 years ago...

WTF is happening if America can't even put out cheap AND consistent goy slop for the peasants?

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

That was my experience 10 years ago. Nothing has really changed other than prices going up. They’ve made some changes to improve the quality of their items a little. But it’s still McDonals which pays minimum wage which means minimum effort.

dmtalon OP ,

I just looked to confirm. They close at midnight and it was just before 9pm.

Bishma , in McDonald's Experience by non McDonald's patron.
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Nearly every burger was overcooked and quite dry.

I get stuck eating at McD once every month or two because of food deserts, and I would say it’s a borderline miracle if any of your burgers weren’t over cooked. They’re cooked from frozen on, basically, a giant panini press. And no one checks them, they just cook to until the machine dings… if there’s someone available to do anything about the ding, that is.

Darkassassin07 ,
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

McDonalds doesn’t even use auto-lifters on the deep-fryer baskets either right?

The little bit of past kitchen work I’ve done (in a different restaurant), there were rails/actuators that would lift the baskets out of the oil when the timer went off; but I’ve never seen them in a McDs before. Much easier to overcook stuff.

Bishma ,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

As of a few years ago at least, still no auto-lifters in the McD kitchens in my area.

Soggy ,

It’s been a while since I’ve done kitchen work but I’ve never had an automatic lifter. We just had someone being paid to cook food and watch the fryer. The issues start piling up in places that make the cashier handle front, drive-thru, fryer, whatever else all at once rather than pay an extra $150 in labor for the day.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

They’re cooked from frozen on, basically,

They are literally taken right out of the freezer and put onto the grill.

jerkface , in McDonald's Experience by non McDonald's patron.
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Remember when everyone was so upset about losing Brazilian rain forest? Turns out we’d all rather have Big Macs.

dmtalon OP ,

I didn’t but everyone else thought it made sense. I’d have rather gone home and eaten a sandwich

jprice , in McDonald's Experience by non McDonald's patron.

McDonalds is poison food, I personally would rather starve. It’s PROVABLY not food.

Blue_Morpho ,

No need for hyperbole. McDonald’s is IMO the worst of all fast food chains but claims that it isn’t food aren’t true.

AmidFuror ,

Not just not food, but poison apparently.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

It is actually very bad for your body, and feeding your body that garbage makes you crave the garbage more. It’s an endless negative feedback loop unless you consciously try to break the loop.

I probably wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s poison, but I won’t say it’s not poison. Look up what their food does to your body, and how addictive it is.

markpaskal , in McDonald's Experience by non McDonald's patron.

McDonald’s has been on the decline since I worked there 13 years ago. What you’re reporting as dry and overcooked is actually food that has been hot held long past the time it should have been thrown out. You can’t even get a burger patty that has been cooked within the past two hours most of the time unless you’re there during peak times.

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