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UnRelatedBurner , in european stereotypes

Every single European stereotype is true.

doctorn ,
@doctorn@r.nf avatar

It’s almost as if stereotypes are based on some truths… 😅

Kusimulkku ,

Oh boy, you do not want to say that

UnRelatedBurner ,

he did tho, and I agree

Globulart , (edited )

Sounds like something a fat stupid American would say.

problematicPanther ,
@problematicPanther@lemmy.world avatar

how many layers deep is this? the stereotypical european would say something like that. Or is that the joke and I’m just too simple to understand?

Globulart , (edited )

Haha it’s absolutely the joke mate.

I, a European, objected to being stereotyped in any way so I proved the point by being oblivious to myself doing the exact same thing.

I don’t think all Americans are fat and stupid. Some are actually pretty thin as it goes…

problematicPanther ,
@problematicPanther@lemmy.world avatar

as a fat stupid american, thank you for explaining the joke, mate

Globulart ,

No worries you adorably chubby simpleton you :) x

Now if you excuse me, I have to get back to not visiting the dentist and having a more advanced sense of humour than you.

Hiro8811 ,

Plus public healthcare

Globulart ,

Just barely these days unfortunately…

Hiro8811 ,

At least it doesn’t cost 1000 for a ride in the WooWoo van

Globulart ,

True enough. I’m definitely not saying its worse than the US, it’s just so badly understaffed at the moment that any “non emergency” surgery will likely be a year or more waiting.

Hiro8811 ,

Where is that?

Globulart ,

UK

Hiro8811 ,

didn’t expect that

Globulart ,

Don’t get me wrong, I’m thankful it exists at all, but there’s a reason doctors have just announced the longest strike in NHS history unfortunately. My wife is a doctor and frequently treats dying patients in the corridor, it’s just a mess and a lot of people seem to think it’s being deliberately underfunded to eventually make privatisation the only option.

Hiro8811 ,

That’s one downside of public infrastructure. The government can only allocate a certain budget. There’s a similar situation where I live but it’s about a school.

killeronthecorner , (edited )
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

Absolutely! I actually met the thin one at a conference once

ExLisper ,

Hey, I also met the thin American once. Small world…

UnRelatedBurner ,

I see what you did there, but fyi I’m from middle Europe

Globulart ,

Just a joke mate :) x

ExLisper ,

There’s no such thing as Middle Europe. Oder river separates Western Europe from Eastern Europe. That’s it.

Hiro8811 ,

True

HerbalGamer ,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think we found the Wise Old Fat Man of the River

Broccoli ,
@Broccoli@lemmy.world avatar
ExLisper ,
crispy_kilt ,

Central Europe: a term invented by the less eastern eastern europe so they stop getting called eastern europe

mory ,

As a less eastern eastern european, can confirm

Name ,

What about latitude!

ExLisper ,

London would be in Central Europe.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

fat stupid American

AKA an American.

kuneho ,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

especially as you go more and more to the east

Justas ,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

No, most Lithuanians are not gangsters or hookers, we just exported those abroad.

Kusimulkku ,

This gets bad quickly

lapislazuli , (edited ) in Lies! Deception!

Where is this? (Sorry, I’m an European, on the edge of the map)

Ragincloo ,

I second this question, where is this?

Steve ,

Bed Bath and beyond, a piece of shit home-goods store

KillerTofu ,

May they rest in peace.

Viking_Hippie ,

Edge of the map, you say? Svalbard?

radioactiveradio ,

We live on a ball of mud so the edge of the map is the beginning of the map.

alectrocute ,
@alectrocute@lemmy.ml avatar

A soon to be extinct retailer called Bed Bath And Beyond. Watch the Adam Sandler movie ‘Click’ for a full rundown of the brand.

ledtasso ,

My understanding was that overstock.com bought them for their brand only, and then changed their own name to Bed Bath & Beyond. So the old BB&B is now extinct, and overstock.com is now masquerading as BB&B.

If you go to overstock.com or o.co, both actually redirect to Bed Bath & Beyond now (which is presumably just a re-skinned version of the old overstock.com?)

general_kitten , in I'm starting to feel like there's not much choice

by buying a house you get to be a wage slave for a couple dozen years, By renting you can be a wage slave for your whole life

TrickDacy ,

It’s cute that you think life is inexpensive once you pay off your mortgage at 65 and have spent several thousand dollars throughout the years maintaining that house that would’ve otherwise been put into your savings account

DagonPie ,
@DagonPie@kbin.social avatar

Ah yes. Fill a landlords pocket or a bank. Does it really matter? At least after you pay your mortgage off, that money just goes to taxes and then you “own” that property. Instead of renting until you die. Get real.

TrickDacy ,

I have done both, home ownership is also expensive and more stressful. Unless you’ve owned a home for over 10 years maybe don’t get so mad at me for telling you that the American dream is a lie

DagonPie ,
@DagonPie@kbin.social avatar

Im sorry you are such a miserable person. I hope your day gets better.

TrickDacy ,

What a weird response

I hope you find your meds today

NoIWontPickaName ,

Nah he’s right

TrickDacy ,

You people are this butthurt about your mortgages?..

StereoTrespasser ,

We owned and went back to renting. Home ownership sucks. Taxes, maintenance, the stress of finding contractors who couldn’t care less about you, Saturdays at the Home Depot, being trapped under the weight of a mortgage for 10+ years before you even see a mild positive increase in your equity…it’s a joke. And if you want to move? Forget it. You’re stuck.

TrickDacy , (edited )

Exactly! For some reason this makes people angry though. Be careful 😉

I think that people also have this idea that it’s easy to maintain a property. Maybe – temporarily – if you find the right place. I always had a list of like 10 things I needed to do. Every time I started one of those things, the job suddenly got more expensive and time consuming than anticipated. Also, mowing/weedeating a yard is literally the last way I ever want to spend hours of my weekends.

Asafum ,

I have the exact opposite problem, I’m sick of moving. I have to move just about every 2 years because of some bullshit my landlord pulls… I just want stability, to know I don’t have to worry about looking for a new place so damn often…

Mellibird ,

Prior to buying our house, the longest I had lived in one house/apt for the past decade was no more than 2 years. After being in our house for a year, it legit felt weird to not be packing up our things and getting ready to vacate. It was amazing to not have to go through the stress of finding a decent place at a decent price and then moving. It also felt so much better knowing how much some of my friends pay for their Apts and that my mortgage is cheaper than their tiny ass one bedroom. And that my monthly price isn’t going to increase next year like everyone else who’s renting and needs to renew their leases. Yeah, we’re the ones who take care of our own maintenance and yard work. But everything we’ve done so far would be things that we would have taken care of ourselves in a rented house.

The responsibility is more yes. The decrease in stress in regards to finding a new place to live constantly, the general stress of moving, and not having a place that you can legitimately call home has made us feel like this has by far been the superior choice.

NoIWontPickaName ,

I have done both too, owning is so much better even with the maintenance.

Did changing the water heater element that could only be accessed from outside in the middle of winter suck?

Yep, but I had the option to just call a guy if I wanted.

But I could hang pictures, paint and reshape the landscape however I wanted.

TrickDacy ,

Ok great. I’m writing these messages as a warning to those bystanders who are thinking about buying. It can be a way worse experience than I thought it could be.

But what do I know, I’m just MiSeRaBlE

AquaTofana ,

I’m on your side bruh. We’ve owned our home since 2013. It’s appreciated $100K, but we also spent $60K last year alone in windows/siding/getting the whole house replumbed because there ended up being a massive leak in the foundation.

We had planned for the windows/siding, plumbing was just a nice bonus (it was noticed by our siding contractor actually).

We’ve also replaced the HVAC, leveled the foundation, replaced the HWH, replaced the roof (that was a lucky insurance thing though due to a massive hail storm), replaced the gutters, and the flooring over the years since buying.

So…if we ever decide/need to sell, we’ll break even.

And we didn’t buy a shitty house either. It was built in 1995. It was already 18 years old when we got it, and it’s nearly 30 now. People don’t realize that this shit doesn’t last forever.

That being said, while I will be Team Renter when we leave this duty station, I’m also in a privileged position being that I’ll have a pension. I completely understand people who don’t have that safety net wanting a little more stability/security.

TrickDacy ,

That sounds like such a hassle! Worse than mine stress wise for sure but it sounds like you’ll do a little better than I did financially. I bought a somewhat shitty house admittedly (built around 1960 and needed a bit of work but fully livable), and definitely lost money. I thought breaking even was the worst that could’ve happened…

The point I’m making is that owning is not a panacea, and has a whole host of its own issues. I’m glad someone else gets that!

ZeroTHM ,

It’s less about that the money gets spent and more about the outcome. The money is burned either way, but now maybe my kids will have it easier and can save their money. Maybe we can start to build more generational wealth, and their kids can have even better lives.

TrickDacy ,

That’s the idea we are sold, yes

ZeroTHM ,

What do you want then? To have nothing? For your children to struggle like we do? I want mine to have a leg up, any advantage I can give them.

TrickDacy , (edited )

I’m going to save my money until the time is truly right, vs hurrying to buy because “anything is better than renting”

Also, I will definitely not be having any children

JPJones ,

Man, what the heck happened that made you so bitter about home ownership? I know it can be a pain at times, but it’s one of the simplest and most reliable ways we have to build wealth and escape being wage slaves.

TrickDacy , (edited )

Why can’t I criticize the very real issues about something without being against it entirely? I’m not…

I wish someone had properly warned me before I bought a house

JPJones ,

It’s not the criticism. It’s the condescension and bitterness. Your case is an outlier; an anecdote, yet you’re talking about it like it’s the norm when the data shows it is not. So I asked what your story is, because that’s the important part. What happened? What lesson can people learn from your situation that might help them avoid it themselves?

TrickDacy ,

What is not an outlier, happens probably 90% of the time, is when a young person hastily buys a house it is a lot more to deal with and more expensive than they think it will be.

It’s the condescension and bitterness.

Most of the haters here seem pretty condescending and bitter to me, that’s not what I’m trying to be. But then again, I probably wasted 500 hours of my life and $150,000 unnecessarily, which could’ve been avoided if I had just been more careful. Literally no one cautioned me, everyone pretty much encouraged me every step of the way. So yeah I guess I’m bitter, and that comes out when a bunch of strangers tell me I am an idiot who loves renting and hates owning because I dare to dissent

A lot of you are filling in all the gaps with shit you made up.

What happened was I set an arbitrarily low price for a house and stuck to it. The result is that I bought an old house that was pretty blah. Ended up spending a lot on it, and 5 years later when I decided to move it was a huge burden. No one wanted to pay a cent more than I had paid and I had to rent it. Had one good tenant and one super shitty tenant. It was a huge hassle. I lost money, even compared to if I had just rented those years.

Because I thought like a lot of you here (renting is ALWAYS bad), I fucked up. I should have been more careful.

What you are willing to write off as an outlier that never happens probably happens every single day. Buying a house is not magic. They are a lot of work. They can be very expensive.

JPJones ,

Thanks for the explanation and context. Your opinion makes more sense now.

Pyr_Pressure ,

If it weren’t more profitable to own a house than it were to rent, there wouldn’t be such a thing as landlords.

TrickDacy ,

No one said it wasn’t. It’s just that people think it’s easier and more profitable than it often is. also people for some reason are okay with giving a bank an absurd amount of money just because they think it’s a better deal. And no I don’t have to like giving money to a landlord to make this observation

herrvogel ,

It definitely is a better deal though, if you can scrape up the sum.

You rent for 20 years, all the money you’ve spent over those 240 months is gone forever. That wealth has been transferred from you to another entity. It’s not yours anymore in any way shape or form.

You buy a house, your wealth just changes shape. Money in your bank account becomes real estate with your name on the papers. You still have your wealth, for the most part. Sure you’ll lose some on the maintenance and the mortgage and whatnot, but long term it’s not even in the same ballpark of 240 months of rent.

Not a difficult decision to make, if, again, you are in a position to make it in the first place.

TrickDacy ,

Have you read my other comments? I don’t really need an explanation of how home ownership works. I owned a home for a decade. I lost money. I’m not saying that always happens, just that there are several factors not considered by many people who want to be a homeowner. Yes, it’s practically always less expensive, but it’s also often stressful.

You rent for 20 years, all the money you’ve spent over those 240 months is gone forever.

… we pay for things we’d rather not deal with all the time. No, it’s not money pissed into the wind, I got something for it. Peace of mind for those 20 years. Sleeping in instead of mowing the grass or taking the mower to a mechanic so I can do that.

I have enough stress to deal with without maintaining a property. I may decide to make that trade off again some day, but it’s absolutely not this cut and dried thing where renting is stupid if you can own. There are a lot of tradeoffs involved in owning vs renting.

JPJones ,

In the short term, renting isn’t always stupid if you can own, but most of the time it is. In the long term, renting is, with very rare exceptions, much worse than buying. For context, even those who bought in 2005 at the peak of the last housing bubble on a fixed 30y are saving a fuckton by owning rather than renting. They would be paying 3-4x more renting than owning today.

Anticorp ,

Over time the mortgage payment is less expensive than it was at first, due to inflation. My rent is 3x more than my neighbor’s mortgage because they bought their house 15 years ago.

kandoh ,

By renting a home, you’ll pay 1300 a month for the rest of your life.

By buying a home, you’ll pay 800 dollars a month for the rest of your life, with the occasional 5 - 10 thousand dollars surprises every now and again.

Pyr_Pressure ,

Except in the end you can also sell that house for $600k-$900k+ at 65 years old then use half of that to rent the next 30 years and have the rest to do whatever the fuck you want.

JPJones ,

And rent goes up. In 10 years, the mortgage will be the same.

Enk1 ,

Not true, unfortunately. Insurance and property taxes go up and payment on those is typically held in escrow with your mortgage. If you’re unfortunate enough to live in a state with a clown taint for a governor, like say Ron DeSantis, your mortgage payment could, for example, go up by $600/month this year. Ask me how I know.

JPJones ,

Insurance and property taxes aren’t part of the mortgage outside of an escrow account, so yes, it is true.

Regardless, the point is still that rents will increase a lot more than monthly overhead for owning.

Kage520 ,

Florida has a really great Homestead though, capping your property tax increases to 3% per year. For the insurance, you can probably get Citizens, which isn’t great but it’s something.

kandoh ,

So long as the government continues to exercise control over supply to ensure that your investment goes up. There are places like Japan where the value of your home decreases over time because they build new housing when its needed.

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  • fastandcurious OP ,
    @fastandcurious@lemmy.world avatar

    Of course, I haven’t made this meme to undermine their effort, it’s just dawned on me that how little idea we as children had of internet and the world in general

    killeronthecorner , in copium28
    @killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

    This is all you need to understand how little of a shit our leaders actually give about climate change.

    BruceTwarzen ,

    How is that any different from all the jesus freaks?

    Brickhead92 ,

    It’s not really, both are bad.

    coffeebiscuit ,

    Yeah… you are complaining about a photo ops thingy. I hope you damn well know that this wasn’t just about a coin ritual. But I guess it’s easy to just go hurdurdur over a minor detail. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    killeronthecorner ,
    @killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

    So?

    coffeebiscuit ,

    Probably pancakes.

    kurwa ,

    Okay what else was it?

    comrade19 , in Never change Lemmy

    So that’s how it happens. I thought I was getting old when I had to look up ‘based’ on urban dictionary.

    TimeSquirrel ,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    Thank god for that website, I can't imagine being an aging millennial in 1980 with all the kids talking about "radical" this and "cowabunga" that and not have anything to look up.

    Pizzasgood ,

    Twas a tubular time.

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar
    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    “Cowabunga” shouldn’t have been a mystery to them, at least, because it originates from Howdy Doody in 1949.

    TimeSquirrel ,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    Wow. I totally thought it was just a Ninja Turtles thing. Thanks for that info.

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Ninja Turtles got it from 60’s surfer slang (since that’s how Michelangelo speaks) and gave it new life for a few years.

    dependencyinjection ,

    Pretty based of you to admit.

    can ,

    I’m curious, how recently did you have to look it up? For me it feels ancient compared to the likes of “rizz” but that’s probably due to the circles I’ve been in.

    someguy3 ,

    Wtf is rizz?

    can ,

    He got rizz = he’s got game (?)

    If that helps. I’ve read here recently it’s short for “charisma”

    Edgarallenpwn ,
    @Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social avatar

    Based has been around for 10+ years. So weird hearing people say it again

    comrade19 ,

    Oh no i didn’t know what rizz meant. I had to look it up mid this year. Gg life, im now going downhill for sure :(

    ThePyroPython , in fr*nce

    I think it was a french writer who said “France is a paradise, populated with people who think it’s a hell”.

    SnotFlickerman , in textbook
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    face down / ass up

    Omgarm ,

    That’s the way we like to learn anatomy.

    electrogamerman ,

    and fuck

    velvetThunder , in Don't belive big telecom

    I was living in a world where I wasn’t aware that it’s a thing to steal cables. Thanks. But aren’t fiber optic more expensive?

    ridethisbike , (edited )

    Probably, but I don’t think you can easily melt it down and sell the raw materials like you can with metals… Just a hunch

    Caboose ,

    Fiber optic cables are very much not recyclable, at least with the current recycling technologies.

    reddithalation ,

    i mean its glass, could just melt it down

    lorty ,
    @lorty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    What makes fiber optic useful is the fact that it is a very specific kind of glass.

    Strykker ,

    But it’s still dirt fucking cheap to produce.

    The expensive parts of fibre are the transmitters/receivers at each end and the labour to splice/terminate it properly.

    xradeon ,

    Sure, but the glass core is only 8–9 µm wide, it’s a minuscule amount of glass compared to copper cables so it’s not really worth it to melt it down.

    Caboose ,

    Most optical fiber is 125um with 250um coating. The coating and the jacketing that make up the cable (mostly non-recyclable plastic) are the real problem.

    xradeon ,

    I don’t know of any fiber that the core is 125 microns. Can you link to one? Neither Single Mode nor Multi Mode fiber is that large.

    Caboose ,

    Sure: prysmiangroup.com/…/SMF---Single-Mode-Optical-Fib…

    You are right the core of most optical fibers is either 8-9um for singlemode, or 62.5 or 50um for multimode. The cladding, which is also made of glass, surrounds the core and this is almost always 125um. Often there is more than one layer that makes up the cladding glass to help reduce the bend radius before you start to attenuate your signal. You need both the core and the cladding of different refractive indexes to create total internal reflection, which is how fiber optics work over long distances with low loss.

    The glass (core + clad) is the only part of the fiber that is really recyclable. Everything else is plastic that is difficult to chemically remove.

    There’s a lot of really bad literature out there on fiberoptics, so I don’t really blame anyone for not knowing this stuff. Here’s a pretty good article that sums up how fiberoptics work I pulled off google: ofsoptics.com/…/how-do-communications-fiber-optic…

    Gabu ,

    It’s hyper complex glass

    Caboose ,

    Some are complex, most aren’t I’d say.

    Catsrules , (edited )

    Generally when I hear people discussing fiber the big costs is actually running the cables and terminating and splicing the ends, the actual cable itself is relatively inexpensive from my understanding.

    But with regard to stealing cable, you really can’t do much with a fiber cable on the secondary market besides using it for fiber, and you also would probably need to re-terminate it that can be very costly. Compared to copper or other type of metal cables that can be sold very easily for scrap metal. That can be melted down and made into something else or just reused as cable.

    Honytawk ,

    No, Fiber cables are really cheap. They are basically just glass with some reflective coat.

    It is just that the connectors and more importantly the work of attaching those connectors to the cable that makes them expensive. They need to be welded in a dust-free environment, and require lots of skill to get right.

    the_seven_sins , (edited )
    @the_seven_sins@feddit.de avatar

    Also, copper cables capable of transmitting high data rates aren’t easily manufactured either. Think of shielding, twisted pairs of wires, etc. And they don’t even contain a lot of copper.

    Yamainwitch , in Core Values

    Lmaoooo just in time for Thanksgiving dinner. 😆 Good luck to all the lemmings out there who have to deal with conservative family members today/tonight.

    Grayox OP ,
    @Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

    To those that are about to dine, we salute you!

    Sneptaur , in It really makes me cringe every time they talk about logic...
    @Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

    Wow Reddit really did migrate here

    Custoslibera OP ,

    Yes, how dare I punch down on the poor Mormon Church!

    Isoprenoid ,

    The problem is that the joke is old and isn’t interesting. It’s like talking about weather and then claiming you’re Oscar Wilde.


    Person: “Hey, aren’t religious people wacky?”

    Crickets

    Custoslibera OP , (edited )

    I’m not apathetic about religious people because unfortunately they continue to occupy positions of authority in our society.

    If religious people were actually dismissed in the way you describe I could understand your perspective. They are not mocked liked this though and are very much taken seriously.

    Tvkan ,

    But you’re not talking about that, you’re mocking an individual for being religious.

    explodicle ,

    Isn’t the boss a position of authority?

    araozu ,

    They are not mocking them for being religious. They are mocking their advice about logic, which comes from a religious person.

    Because you know, religion & logic don’t go hand in hand.

    Isoprenoid ,

    unfortunately they continue to occupy positions of authority in our society.

    No need to pick on religious people in this case. There are plenty of people with various character flaws in positions of power / authority.

    If religious people were actually dismissed in the way you describe I could understand your perspective. They are not mocked liked this though and are very much taken seriously.

    So you don’t know about:

    • Bill Maher
    • Bill Hicks
    • George Carlin
    • South Park
    • any comedy movie that involves a religious character
    • the Internet
    wetnoodle ,
    @wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Notably those examples make absolutely no difference on how religious people in authority positions frequently use their religion to guide how they use their authority (which ain’t fucking cool)

    Isoprenoid ,

    Yup, I’ve heard this one before as well. Got anything new to add to the discussion?

    wetnoodle ,
    @wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Do you? Your only replies are just you being shocked nobody agrees with you.

    Isoprenoid ,

    You okay, bro? You seem upset.

    wildginger ,

    Someones upset their church is only 95% in charge

    Isoprenoid ,

    You lost me at “their church”.

    wildginger ,

    I can use whatever word for church you want, bud, theyre all the same thing with a different title. Temple, parish, mosque, its all big rooms with a speaking spot up front

    OmenAtom ,

    Dude was talking about religion in government and your best rebuttal is people make fun of stuff on comedy shows?

    Isoprenoid ,

    Culture doesn’t affect government? That’s new to me.

    OmenAtom ,

    Please tell me how south park poking fun at you, as they do with everyone, affects your ability to legislate. Last i checked the jokes haven’t stopped anyone from cramming their religion down our throats

    Isoprenoid ,

    Please tell me how south park poking fun at you,

    Not me.

    OmenAtom ,

    The royal you, are you just trying to be obtuse at this point? (Rhetorical question)

    Wild_Mastic ,

    Ah yes, makes 100 bln dollar profit illegally and tax free, pay 5m fee as punishment. What a fucking joke.

    Sneptaur ,
    @Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

    I never accused you of punching down lol

    Tvkan ,

    And not just any reddit, but 2010 reddit – in both the best and the worst ways.

    Computerchairgeneral , in Columbine vibes

    Every time I think Musk has written his stupidest Tweet he goes and proves me wrong. It's honestly impressive.

    andrewrgross ,

    It was funny for a while, but I’d really like him to hit rock bottom. The guy has a lot of power, and this is really kinda worrying me now.

    jimbo , in F#€k $pez

    I’ve been here for like 6 months now, maybe more. Posts SEEM to be getting more engagement than when I started. It definitely doesn’t seem like there are fewer users.

    dumpsterlid ,

    The vibrancy of communities is what matters, not total numbers. I have definitely noticed a solidification of new communities into places that feel longterm sustainable.

    I mean also people are really tired and beat up, in the US most people are worse off than they were before the pandemic (not good). I don’t blame people for not having the mental bandwidth to join a new social network.

    ghostdoggtv , in F#€k $pez

    To be honest I kind of like it here.

    TheFriar , in Were this the ‘good ole times’ they always talk about?

    Great post. I give you my fake internet point up arrow.

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