Edge wasn’t always chromium. It was their own engine and it was great, but too many people complained essentially that it wasn’t chromium so they switched to chromium.
Yeah, it might have been “fine” at the normal web browsing part, but Microsoft kept trying to push their proprietary extension store. Also, didn’t they not support extensions for the longest time? I think that was the biggest reason they switched to chromium, so they could use all those existing chrome extensions?
Yes but it was changed quite a bit, it supported way more standards and was getting way more updates to keep it up to date. The issue is that was expensive and also people complained that it some websites didn’t work on it, so it made more economical sense to switch it to chromium. I really wish they had kept it though.
Sorta, sorta not. Looking at the wiki page, it used “EdgeHTML” as the browser engine, which was a fork of ie’s engine (MSHTML). But it was a massive overhaul removing a bunch of legacy code and rewriting parts to fit modern standards and to make it compatible with webkit. It was maintained alongside ie11.
I remember testing it out and it being a lot faster than ie was when it first came out, but I’ve always been a ff user so I didn’t switch to it.
No, the US just chose this order and speaks it the same way. I don’t speak it this way, you’re just used to it (just like everyone is to the way they speak it)
I’m not sure about Mull because I’ve never tried it. I use Fennec, which purportedly removes the problematic telemetry, but I’ll be honest I’ve never actually verified this.
I do know some apps instead of removing trackers will replace them with dummy trackers, so I wonder if this might be what duckduckgo is detecting. I don’t really know since I also avoid duckduckgo lol
yeah but they’re wasting police time. Say it’s a cishet rich white couple without a dog who buys the house, the time the cops are wasting there they won’t spend shooting dogs, killing black people or tasing autistic kids. That’s a win in my book.
The same people say “boycotts don’t work”. The facepalming here is hard. Welcome to the ad riddled future that you helped make because “people can use what they like” (because it’s being pushed by a huge corporate entity and they want you to use it so they can shove ads down your throat and you should laugh at people who would use anything different)
And spoiling Internet for the rest of us. None of us would have to go through this if more people used alternatives to chromium. No website would’ve accepted a 50% loss in visitors over accepting some companies special protocol
Exactly right. It requires seeing yourself as a part of a community vs. fulfilling our selfish interests at the expense of others.
Another example were the suburban PS5 buyers who bought from scalpers so “their kids” could have one, not giving any thought to the fact that they’re contributing to a system that excludes the disadvantaged (or, even worse, knowing but not caring).
Most normal people don’t even know adblockers exist. Guys, if you’re going to convince people to switch away from Chrome, it won’t be on the grounds of protecting against some API or ads.
In this thread lots of uninformed people misunderstanding how the open source Chromium project works (or the difference between Chrome and Chromium). Vivaldi is a Chromium-based browser who frequently disable the parts of Chromium they don’t agree with.
This argument not to use anything Chromium is the same as if someone was fanatically opposed to using Linux Mint or Elementary OS because they’re based on Ubuntu, and Canonical bad.
I love Firefox as much as the next person, and probably do a 75% Vivaldi 25% Firefox split, but let’s not act like Google isn’t bankrolling Mozilla, because they account for 85+% of Mozilla’s revenue, and if Google does implement this Web DRM and if it is widely adopted, Mozilla either submits and enables it to make sure daddy Google stays happy, or they die.
Typically this thinking is mostly correct - e.g. Manifest v3 - but not in this case. If websites see enough users using chormium, via user agent or other fingerprinting, they’ll be more willing to require WEI. And unlike Manifest v3 etc. this affects the whole web, not just users of one browser or the other.
In every case monopolies are bad. Including in tech.
Google used to give a lot more money to Mozilla, then they massively cut it which led to huge layoff affecting a lot of Firefox dev. Thankfully the new Firefox engine were just completed at that point. People like to complain about Mozilla pushing their VPN and Pocket, but they have to find another source of income to reduce their dependency to Google.
Seems like they are pretty informed. Or are you just mad he’s calling out over zealous privacy advocates who ensure nobody will ever take them seriously because they bitched about TikTok for 5 years.
Let’s have a bit more of a objective discussion here:
Privacy advocates are trying to keep you from being transparent to corporations, law enforcement and criminals because they see the patterns that can lead to very bad outcomes. E.g. people being falsely targeted by ai face recognition that was on the news recently
„Stans“ are referring to people identifying with something. In the case of firefox, people identify with privacy and freedom. Those are elemental parts of democracy. The opposite side here is advocating on behalf of corporations who rake in billions in profit, buy up land and real estate, control markets and you can actually see those being subject to lawsuits both by the government and citizens for breaking the law, selling your data and going full send on their profits instead of caring about the communities they operate in.
So, the term „well informed“ is kind of self defeating here as gobbling up corpo koolaid is not really „informed“. It’s also the same that conspiracy theorists say. Actually listening to the arguments is what does the trick.
Rhetorical trick: You‘re misrepresenting what I said to make it sound illogical.
I never said there are only these. What I said is that there are strong arguments for privacy friendly software and people are actively trying to educate others on this topic.
You‘re also assuming someone is guilt tripping you, either because you actually have that wrong impression or to make it sound more problematic.
Nobody cares what browser you use. We shit on google, not on you. You‘re the one injecting themselves into this conversation and trolling people with fake „calling them out“ while you‘re the one using all kinds of techniques to bully your way to „being right“.
If you‘d actually compare arguments, you‘d have to give up so you don’t do it.
you‘re obviously not willing or able to use actual arguments in this conversation so I will have to opt out. I can recommend local bars where you can exchange your baseless aggression with others. Good luck.
Privacy advocates are trying to keep you from being transparent to corporations, law enforcement and criminals because they see the patterns that can lead to very bad outcomes. E.g. people being falsely targeted by ai face recognition that was on the news recently
I don’t think that’s where it ends. If it was I think we’d mostly be on the same page. Constantly telling people to ditch services they enjoy such as TikTok, Facebook, Google, etc. Continued vague references to devices listening to you that really aren’t. Constantly pointing out targeted ads as something that most people really couldn’t care less. And if you say that, “you just don’t understand what the data can be used for”. It’s all highly condescending and created a weariness to the community. They’ve become vista UAC.
First, please drop the attitude because you‘re actively being condescending yourself atm.
Secondly, the argument itself becomes a problem here:
Constantly telling people to ditch services they enjoy…
„Constantly“ is a rhetorical overstatement. Nobody is constantly doing anything. You are annoyed and that is ok.
I honestly don’t care about tiktok and therefore have no opinion on its privacy issues except stuff I heard.
But from facebook I did download a package of my data since the gdpr forced them to comply and give users their data.
I used facebook a year or so when it was new and once every quarter since then.
The data consisted of most sites I visited before and after visiting facebook. Stuff I bought, stuff I looked at.
And that is not all. I‘m constantly getting scam mails referencing an old address of mine. Guess where this address (exclusively) is still noted. Correct, at facebook.
So, you absolutely don’t need to do anything. Just know that facebook (the others too but facebook the hardest) actively sells your userdata and behavioral data to make money.
They are actively being fined tens of thousands of dollars a day by european governments for „leaking“ userdata.
So, I‘m fine with anyone doing what they want. Just dont school me on privacy.
idk about OP but I use chrome because in Firefox I have to manually download my web history and send it to Google so they can log it for my security, Chrome streamlines this process and ensures Google has my data even if I mistakenly wonder onto a website they don’t have trackers on
@JokeDeity@HKayn, Tab groupings, PWAs, hibernate inactive Tabs, vertical tabs, casting on desktop, workspaces, compatibility with some webs, vertical tabs.... well, maybe with a ton of extensions..
@Coreidan, what if you need switching between several tabs, even if you can use to view them in Split Screen, in saved Workspaces? Open and close these every time? not viable. In Vivaldi no problem, even no RAM problems with mor than 100 tabs open (in extremis), if you want.
Do you realize how you’re sounding right now? Is this how you intend to convince people to give Firefox a try? Or are you just looking to start a fight?
Out of those who actually give a reason for this position, which is practically no one, it’s almost always “vertical tabs”. Apparently those people can’t use a search engine since there are multiple easily found extensions available that make FF do vertical tabs.
Then how about tab tiling, multi-level tab bars, workspaces, automatic session backups, sidebar panels, Spotlight-like global search, commands to toggle parts of the UI and custom toolbar buttons?
I can probably find an extension for most of these if I look hard enough, but then I’d have to worry about them being maintained and not sold out. At that point I’d rather use a browser that has all this built-in.
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