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Dxthegod , in This community lately
@Dxthegod@lemmy.world avatar

Is there anything that’s like… not based on chromium… or firefox?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Safari, if you’re a goddamn normie.

supercheesecake ,
@supercheesecake@aussie.zone avatar

I don’t know if you’re being serious or sarcastic.

I use Safari with Apple’s private relay and various ad blockers and have been quite happy. Are there reasons to be concerned? (other than Apple=bad)

XTornado ,

Concerned no I think… But I am gonna guess you missing on some features and specially extensions but I might be wrong. Except on iOs since there you are missing on that anyway.

supercheesecake ,
@supercheesecake@aussie.zone avatar

Yeah I’m 100% fine with the functionality. I prefer to keep my life simple. Thanks.

RIP_Apollo ,

Well the privacy/security enthusiasts will prefer open source browsers, as these are viewed as more trustworthy.

Safari is closed source (although WebKit, the rendering engine that Safari uses, is open source).

supercheesecake ,
@supercheesecake@aussie.zone avatar

Ok thanks.

I’m willing to sacrifice some FOSS for convenience, as long as it’s reasonable. But in general I’m a strong supporter of open source and publish my own code that way.

JokeDeity ,

I keep seeing people with devout hatred for my beloved Firefox, but none of you say why.

nl_the_shadow ,

I have one thing missing from Firefox that keeps me from permanently switching: vertical tabs. I know there’s ways of hacking it into FF, but nothing sustainable. I know it seems minor, but in Brave/Edge, it just works so damn well.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

sideberry

JokeDeity ,

I prefer Tab Center Reborn with CSS edits, but Sideberry absolutely gets the job done, and well.

nl_the_shadow ,

Thanks, I’ll give it a shot.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

There are multiple extensions that do this in FF.

nl_the_shadow ,

But those leave the horizontal tabs as they are. Such a waste of space with wide screen monitors being the norm.

moody ,

Vertical tabs can be done by CSS, it doesn’t even require an extension.

nxfsi ,

Some that I have heard (some are outdated and/or mostly irrelevant):

  • slightly slower
  • websites develop for chrome first
    • sites (0.1%) don’t render properly
  • default Firefox still has telemetry
  • still has ads
  • no dinosaur game
  • Mv3 AdBlock still works fine
  • better security because more devs contribute to chromium
  • mostly funded by Google anyways
  • Brendan Eich (left 2014)
    • invented JavaScript
    • political opinions

That said, I’m still using Librewolf.

JokeDeity ,

I know you didn’t say these were your opinions, but I’ll still see if I can comment on them:

It’s not. It’s actually faster.

Ehhhhhhhhh. Source?

Everything has telemetry, but Firefox shows you right where to turn it off, unlike the rest.

??? Which browser has no ads?

Fair.

Adblock? This a joke?

Source?

Source?

Relevance?

Also, Librewolf is just a fork of FF, you can make main FF exactly like Libre but get same day updates and security patches.

tool ,
@tool@lemmy.world avatar

Because Firefox honestly used to be shit, especially in the early Phoenix/Firebird days, but now it isn’t anymore, and they just haven’t bothered to check it out again. The “killing all the existing extensions” thing really didn’t help matters either.

JokeDeity ,

I agree it was a heavy blow when they announced that, I didn’t update for a few months, but man was it a nice fresh start, and I’m grateful that all the addons I had before have now made it over to the new system.

I admittedly didn’t use FF before it was FF, I think I got into it around probably 2006 or so, but it’s been great in my opinion ever since then.

Phrodo_00 ,

Firefox in the Phoenix/Firebird days was amazing compared to ie6, Opera, and SeaMonkey/Mozilla suite

Dxthegod , (edited )
@Dxthegod@lemmy.world avatar

??? I literally never said anything about hating Firefox, I was merely asking a simple question…

I used to use Firefox all the time, then they killed all the extensions. That doesn’t mean I somehow “hate it” LOL

But like, y’know, anyone that doesn’t agree with you is literally Satan, right? 🙄

nik282000 ,
@nik282000@lemmy.ml avatar

I was really sour about the Mr Robot prank where they modified pages without informing the user. But weighing a prank gone wrong against the active goal of dicking over the internet I’ll take the well meaning pranksters.

sirfacefone ,

There’s not a lot these days ever since Opera and Edge switched to Chromium. You gotta move to Apple’s ecosystem for an alternative.

quantenzitrone ,

Epiphany uses WebKit, but it doesn’t have working add-on support yet, so you will still have lots of ads and cookie banners.

I use it as a secondary browser if something doesn’t work in Librewolf, but for me the internet is pretty much unusable without “i (still) don’t care about cookies” and UBlock Origin, so it only works as a backup for me.

There are also some Browsers using QTWebengine which uses Blink (the core of Chromium (meaning technically not chromium itself)) like Qutebrowser and Falkon.

Pale Moon and Basilisk which are based on an old version of Firefox and diverged quite a bit.

Konqueror which uses KHTML (predecessor of WebKit (predecessor of Blink)).

NetSurf idk haven’t tried it.

Then there is stuff like Ladybird, which will crash all the time. Links, ELinks, Lynx, w3m, Links2 are text based. Discontinued Internet Explorer. Old versions of MS Egde. Old versions of Opera. Basically nothing else that is usable.

Dxthegod ,
@Dxthegod@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you 😊

wrath-sedan , in (OC) X is stupid
@wrath-sedan@kbin.social avatar

This feels ripped out of the playbook of scummy mobile ads or adult sites where trying to click the x leads you to the exact content your were trying to avoid

Ultra980 , in The Kbin Experience

The server issues and lack of mobile apps is why I switched back to Lemmy

Roundcat OP ,
@Roundcat@lemmy.ca avatar

I really want to like it too. The UI experience on kbin has been good enough that I have stuck around despite the issues. Plus I like the culture of the site and the users I share it with. It would be a shame to leave it.

But this glitch in particular has really hampered it’s usability for me, and has me thinking if I should have my primary account elsewhere until thinks get more reliable there.

kspatlas ,
@kspatlas@artemis.camp avatar

Artemis is still very early, but it's there

Ultra980 ,

Wow, it seems pretty cool

EDIT: why does it have 5 tracking libraries?

xNIBx , in Can you Americans pass the test?

Andorra.

XTornado , in Let us sup

Jesus: You mean last sup right?

Twentytwodividedby7 , in Can you Americans pass the test?

The Bay of Biscay? Lol

scroll_responsibly , in Hah got heem
@scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

If you end up giving the new home owner a heart attack and they die… does that make you a real murderer by way of a fake murder?

XEAL ,

A real manslaughterer

drlecompte ,

Can’t have manslaughter without laughter.

XTornado , in Can you Americans pass the test?

Seawatyadidthere

ThatsTheSpirit , in Fox news

I’ve unknowingly injected some wild ass noids in my time. Not fun, super dangerous. The real bad time, I luckily got warned before hand. Ended up copping something else cause there were ambulances everywhere and people freaking out all over the street, so yea, something told me not to. Whew.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Is this satire?

SwingingTheLamp ,

Here in Wisconsin, we still remember the time when Fox News showed video of the “violent Act 10 protests” with green palm trees in the background.

Palm trees in Wisconsin. In February.

ThatsTheSpirit ,

Literally no. Just a wild ass snippet of life for you.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

I asked if it was satire because it seemed full of outlandish things. Firstly, wtf is a noid? I’m pretty sure you aren’t talking about the Dominos pizza mascot from the late 80s.

What is 'i copped something else " supposed to mean? Your comment reads like an AI got high AF and wrote something to try to sound cool.

Frub , in Firefox is the only way.

Am I the only one who doesn’t get the hate on chromium? I mean it’s fast, it works and nobody forces you to use Google’s proprietary chrome. You can use anything you want

Kevnyon ,
@Kevnyon@lemmy.world avatar

Well they don’t directly force you to use it, but when basically all of the most popular browsers (including the default browser of Windows) are Chromium based, that means that developers optimize their sites for that first and foremost. And combined with Google’s amp protocol, which adds control for them, it means that they can dictate many terms for these other companies. It’s like sure, you can use Vimeo to upload your video, but who the hell is gonna see it when there’s YouTube? Same thing here, why use some other standard (such as what Firefox is doing) when the support for Chromium is that much greater, even though it’s more restrictive in others.

kamenoko ,

Laughs in Internet Explorer 6

brb ,

Manifest V3 and WEI

wolf ,

IMHO nobody sane hates a technology.

The big problem is Chromes and Googles dominance over the internet. Even at this moment, there are sites that don’t work with Firefox/alternate browsers at all.

Stating that people can use alternative browsers is theoretically correct, but in reality one is forced to have a Chromium based browser installed for the websites/services one has to access. (My main browser is Firefox and I have a Chromium backup browser on every device, not by my choice.)

Combine this with the push of Google to prevent adblocking and centralize control of the internet at one place, and we are on our way to a real shit show.

You can happily search for the history of Internet Explorer in the 2000s, for a taste of what is yet to come.

In case Googles agenda has not affected you, yet, you should really ponder if

a.) Googles agenda will never affect you negatively in the future b.) Googles agenda will never affect people you care about in the future

In the end, I don’t hate Chrome, Chromium or any other browser based on this technology. I really don’t like the direction things are developing and I remember the monopolies of the past in IT, which were only of benefit for the monopolists.

Frub ,

So basically the problem is google itself, not chromium

atyaz ,

Okay. But google controls chromium, and everything that goes in it. And they’re using that control to change how the internet works. So just saying that “chromium is a problem” can be considered a useful shorthand so you don’t have to explain that every time.

Frub ,

Photoshop isn’t a bad product but adobe sucks

atyaz ,

I’m not sure what you mean exactly but I think you might be missing the point. Google is using chromium’s ubiquity to exert control over how the internet works. Chromium being so ubiquitous makes it so web servers can lock out other web browsers.

If you want the entire internet to work like an adobe product, where one company has absolute control over it, then yeah your analogy works. But the whole point is people don’t want that.

Frub ,

What I mean is that chromium (essentially) has a monopoly on browser market share, similar with Photoshop. I don’t mean it’s a good thing when it’s like that, but it doesn’t make them bad products

MixedRaceHumanAI ,

Google, or let say the Chromium group, can easily implement “features” that are already present in proprietary Google Chrome, and easily control the Internet and its users’ personalized settings.

Indeed, Chromium-built browsers have smooth user experience and simplicity, but at what cost?

Competition will be dead.

Frub ,

Can’t third parties modify the source code?

OrnateLuna ,

Yes but no, there are 2 options you either submit a commit and chromium can accept that code or you fork the project and then you have to maintain it and add features yourself. So while they could it would require a ton more effort to keeping it up to datw

Frub ,

Then if this is such a pressing issue why has no one done so? I’d expect such a high number of people shitting on google to have the combined power to at least try to make a fork. But idk

OrnateLuna ,

It’s just the scale of the project and perhaps something is already being discussed but it’s an incredibly high workload plus it wouldn’t actually solve the issue that basically everything uses chromium and even if you fork it people might not use the fork anyways

Mr_1077 , in Can you Americans pass the test?

It’s obviously Liberland but in 25 years.

CapnAssHolo , in Whatchu got
MNByChoice , in Hah got heem

Very clever. Post your crime online with a cover story. Very “no officer, it is plastic. I don’t know where my neighbor with the loud stereo has gone to.”

vsis , in Can you Americans pass the test?
@vsis@feddit.cl avatar

The mighty kingdom of Biscayland.

kristina , in Can you Americans pass the test?

🅱️iscay

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