Is one of your monitors HDR? I’ve been getting similar issues (EndevourOS) ever since upgrading to 555, where both of my monitors are black/no signal when logging into Wayland. Unplugging my primary monitor fixes the secondary monitor, and it seems like HDR is the problem in my case - bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488941
After deleting ~/.config/kwinoutputconfig.json, I could login. I did some tests and the issue happens when HDR is enabled. In the config file that put “highDynamicRange” and “wideColorGamut” to “true”. Just changing “highDynamicRange” to “false” doesn’t work, but if I put both to “false”, I can login again.
Simply deleting kwinoutputconfig didn’t fix the problem for me but I haven’t tried setting it as read-only yet (Probably a good idea to back it up first). My X11 is working normally so I’ll stick with that until this bug is resolved.
Have you tried connecting both via display port or both via HDMI?
Not that that should matter normally, but good starting point in trying to get around what may be a bug?
Edit: just remembered I’ve been having intermitten problems with my 2nd display since last nvidia driver if I have my vr head set plugged in to the 3rd port (even off). When i unplugged it and restarted I got my desktop loading as normal.
Yeah, the black screen after logjn happens when both monitors are plugged in I’ve noticed. If I unplug the second monitor I can get into a wayland session fine but the moment I plug the second monitor in, the refresh rate tanks if the DE doesn’t freeze first.
I’ll try your suggestion and update the results after work.
For a long time I couldn’t get a stable distro working on my HP laptop with Intel 4 core & Nvidia 1660ti but after numerous successful daily driving on my desktops + steam deck of course I tried Bazzite which did the trick. Everything runs smoother & I haven’t encountered anything unable to run because the steam proton is mature. Lutris is perfect for anything to do with alternative launchers, roms, I even got modded black ops 2 working and I never thought that would be possible.
As someone who recommends Arch to new users that have some familiarity with CLI AND also likes to tinker, I will always advise to check their wiki and forum. Check for the very specific problem you’re having. Even the model sometimes helps. From other comments, I see you’re mentioning logitech, maybe this wiki entry will help, but maybe it won’t. In which case, search for more information. Check their wiki entry for other logitech mice, for wireless mice, for general mice.
Now, onto the next issue, what do you mean by not launch right? From there, maybe I can help with the issue.
This is also why I recommend this to someone that would like to tinker with their system. Arch requires a lot of reading. But once you understand it, it becomes “yours” and you obtain a lot of knowledge about the system that you’re using.
Now, for everyone who doesn’t like to tinker, use bazzite. I heard that it just works™.
My main issue is stuttering with baldur’s gate 3 and elden ring, both performing worse than their windows equivalent installations. Also I got HDR working in the desktop with KDE plasma, but the option just isn’t available in games.
Finally, the brightness on my monitor seems to be all over the place.
For now I plan on keeping Linux on one of my drives (maybe try another distro, or just stick to less demanding games) and using Windows for AAA games.
Alright, the stuttering is not my forte for troubleshooting. It could be from the driver but it could also be just the compatibility layer or myriad of other factors. I don’t play those games myself too. However, you can try searching for protondb to see the state of the game support on linux. Here is for Elden Ring for example. And be sure to actually check the review as it really reflects the state of games. You can also try looking for those with the same hardware and see if they comment on any issue. That can at least help weed out some potential problems.
Lastly, the brightness issue. Can you describe it in more detail? Like, does it happen when you are turning HDR on or is it happening regardless of HDR? And what does it mean the brightness is all over the place? Is it happening when you are consuming video content? I have an OLED for example, and the black is always the same regardless of the brightness. So are you sure it isn’t from the content itself?
The stuttering is probably the compatibility layer, it doesn’t do it in helldivers, for instance. So I think it’s game specific
Thanks for the Hdr link. I have enabled it for desktop but didn’t realize steam was different.
For the brightness, HDR is enabled, but it seems like it “forgets” what brightness is supposed to be until I wiggle the slider. And every time I boot the pc the brightness needs to be at a different number to match my non HDR monitor. Probably just growing pains with a beta feature, I would guess.
Yep, the problem with the compatibility layer is that a game can be very particular about the version too.
You’re very welcome. This is after all, the essence of Arch. Now you know what is happening and why HDR is not yet widespread on other linux. On the other hand, you get to experience HDR gaming when other distros may not yet support it.
I can confirm that I do have the same issue regarding brightness. However, I never tried to investigate further as my mechanical keyboard has a fn keys to adjust brightness (fn + f1/f2) so I don’t need to open settings to wiggle the slider. I can understand that it can be an issue for others. I suggest reading more regarding display and monitor. If all else fails, try asking the forum. I think it is DE specific (because wayland).
That’s exactly the reason you shouldn’t recommend Arch for new users. New users, even those who like to tinker, don’t want to read pages upon pages of wikis to get basic shit working. They want something that works that they can tinker with.
90% sure OP installed the wrong drivers, probably because he missed some note on which to install or a configuration to switch them. Also very likely the mouse issue is related to some random udev rule or package he installed trying to solve something, Logitech mouses just work out of the box.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Arch, have been using it as my main distro for over 15 years, but it’s definitely NOT for new users, even those who like to tinker with their system, Ubuntu is just as tinkerable, but Arch you need to build up. Imagine someone saying they are interested in decorating their home and you recommend them to build their house from scratch while having nowhere to live. This is why it’s important that new users have a comfortable place they can go back if things don’t work, and if you don’t give it to them they’ll obviously return to Windows.
Yeah, I may need to rethink my recommendation for the future. Especially their willingness to read and patience. I am happy to guide anyone if they asked and hence why I usually recommend it.
Regarding the random udev rule, I doubt it was that. Cooler Master mouse has known issue in Linux in which they don’t wake up from sleep when using the dongle. So it could just be the mouse regardless of the distro.
As for the wrong driver, the OP stated that he experiences stutter for certain games but not for others. As I said, I am not an expert for troubleshooting stutter as it could be from a lot of factors. But I doubt OP installed the wrong driver. Wrong drivers usually lead to more uniform glitches across the board.
The mouse is Logitech, which afaik doesn’t have any issues (at least all of my Logitech mice have always just worked).
The drivers can impact performance worse on some games and cause glitches in others. I remember a while back getting some texture issues on Nvidia but not on nouveau (even though the performance was worse).
Well, “just works” depends on how you define it too. But yeah, most of the “basic” stuff just works. But I will not rule out the possibility of unsupported HW just because I have my fair share of it too. For example, I’d say a keyboard is working if they are able to be used as an input device. Even without the customization or sleep, or wake from sleep. Granted, the issue being unrecognized or not working at all is very much borked tho. Hence why I request the details of the mouse itself.
Now you mention degraded performance and glitches. Yes, I do know that. But as I said, my statement regarding the wrong driver usually entails a lot more dramatic bug than a stutter on only known 2 games. Further investigations are needed to correctly decide if it is the driver or not since we know that a compatibility layer is also playing a part here. It is also why I suggest searching the protondb to check the current support for the game. Linux gaming, as good as it is now, is not perfect yet.
I heard there are some intermittent problems with them on linux because of proprietary blobs and similar driver issues, but I’ve never had one, so I’ve no direct experience.
Someone also noted that if the game supports the controller, you can manually disable steam input for that game. Apparently the root cause is game scope doesn’t play nicely with Wayland.
If you don’t mind spending the extra money, I can recommend the Steelseries Arctis Nova Pro Wireless. I went with these because they can do high quality audio over 2.4GHz wireless, which was a must for me in a wireless headset.
I’ve used it on Pop!_OS and Mint Debian Edition and had to do no setup, the system recognized it as a sound device out of the box. My only issue was in Pop!, where the microphone would output garbage unless I switched audio devices back and forth when I connected to a discord voice room. I’m not entirely sure that was an issue with the device or with discord on that distro, but on Mint I’ve yet to have issues. The software from Steelseries doesn’t have a Linux version, so maybe I’m missing out on some fine tuning, but for my purposes it works great.
I use it on Fedora, never got that issue. But you are right, it lacks some fine tunning, but overall it is a great headset for Linux.
My only criticism would be about the cushions, which broke apart quite early. Fortunately they are easily replaceable.
Interesting, my ear cushions are still in decent shape (I’ve only had them about a year now). I bought a replacement set early on just to have in storage, but I’ve yet to need them.
I’d recommend Ubuntu mostly because it’s going to be the easiest to get working. I recently started playing with Proton on Ubuntu, and it was surprisingly painless. There’s been a lot of improvement over the past few years.
Take a look at www.protondb.com and search for your games. It’ll let you know how difficult they are to get working and give you tips on helping them run.
Here’s the visual impairments page for stock Ubuntu:
There’s stock magnifier support. It’s not great to be honest, but it does allow you to enable crosshairs that will make it easy to find your cursor.
A little more searching found Magnus which might be a better option.
It’s also pretty trivial to install gnome tweaks itsfoss.com/gnome-tweak-tool/ and install custom theme elements like high contrast icons and cursors that can help.
Ubuntu is actually particularly terrible: Snap packages (general controversy aside) theme the cursor, so my mouse kinda disappears into them. It’s nice to know people are making alternative magnifiers though - that one doesn’t work for me because I need full screen zoom, but it may be handy for others.
Thanks for reminding me of ProtonDB, that’ll be a good tool to evaluate this possible move.
It’s just not ready for this situation combined with gaming. Currently you’re required to tinker with each game to get them to work well. I’d suggest revisiting this in ten years.
Many games do work out of the box on steam. However, features like ray tracing and HDR can be touchy. And I’m not confident screen reader software will play nicely.
Epic Games and Game Pass do not work without much tinkering (The game pass streaming feature might work well but I’ve not tried it myself.) and you’ll likely need to stay on top of that as each update could potentially break it.
Outside of games it’s ready for a wide spectrum of accessibility needs and could potentially be a better experience than windows.
Xcloud streaming does indeed work very well via Greenlight. I’m also using GeForce Now combined with PC game pass via gfn-electron so I can play Diablo. Very happy with it. On debian bookworm btw
Currently you’re required to tinker with each game to get them to work well
I don’t tinker with any games. And I play a lot of them. I just hit the launch button. Depending on distro you may have hit “enable steam play” first but that’s about it.
“Steam play?” This sounds like something I should know about. And what would you otherwise, generally, say is a good distro? One that plays well with KDE, if I’m reading the room correctly.
Currently you’re required to tinker with each game to get them to work well. I’d suggest revisiting this in ten years.
Yeah, this is flat out not true. I play many games on my system that I just hit the launch button on. As one other person said you only need to make sure that Steam Play is enabled first. This is even on an nvidia gpu based system. Not to say that EVERY game is going to work out of the box, but to say that they all need to be tinkered with is just wrong.
If you continue to read what I said I explained my point that games do tend to work out of the box on steam. But OP was asking about multiple platforms and I have no way to know which games op intends to play. So the experience will vary from user to user.
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