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raptir , in What's the best rolling release Distributions that doesn't crash too much

I love openSUSE Tumbleweed. It has a solid automated testing process that means packages will be held back rather than updating and breaking things.

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

That’s what im going to use daily use anyway and for gaming as well but that because fedora doesn’t detect my wifi drivers at least opensuse slowroll is looking good for a backup os

backhdlp , in What's the best rolling release Distributions that doesn't crash too much
@backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Garuda Linux is basically Endeavour OS but more gaming oriented, might be worth checking out.

null , in What's the best rolling release Distributions that doesn't crash too much

I’m curious – what’s your motivation for doing this?

Why do you want to use a rolling release over something built for gaming?

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

Because i want the latest drivers and packages plus stable distributions are mostly outdated

null , (edited )

Because i want the latest drivers and packages

Why do you want that over a stable system that’s been curated for gaming?

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

I know nobara is good but it’s by a single dev

null ,

Not really – it’s Fedora with a handful of gaming add-ons curated by arguably the top name in Linux gaming.

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

Ok null but I wish it has More Devs in case of maintaining it in addition to adding updates to gaming software

null ,

Regardless, I’m still not getting why you’d want an unstable gaming experience over a stable one.

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

Ok its because of my trust on the fedora after redhat closing up their source code and making it paid and they’re adding telemetry in fedora 45 and up so that’s why i have left fedora

null ,

Redhat isn’t closing their source code – it’s open to customers. And unless you need to use RHEL for some reason, it shouldn’t have any impact. Fedora is upstream from Redhat, not the other way around.

The telemetry Fedora is adding is extremely sensible, and also opt-in. So not sure what the concern is there.

But regardless, that has nothing to do with rolling versus stable releases. There are plenty of other stable distributions not based on Fedora.

I’m not understanding why you’d prefer software that’s more likely to be buggy or broken for your gaming rig over a stable distribution. What’s the motivation?

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

ok my bad but the main problem with me is I don’t know fedora has WiFi drivers by default or not in the latest versions so what should I do to fix it

null ,

Depends on your hardware – but to be blunt, that question alone tells me a rolling release would be a headache for you.

Have you Googled your hardware and “Fedora wifi drivers” to see if there’s a fix? Because that’s the sort of thing you’re likely to need to do with a rolling release as bleeding-edge drivers get pushed to your system and things stop working.

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

Ok null thank you for understanding my needs

mitch8128 , in What's the best rolling release Distributions that doesn't crash too much
@mitch8128@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve been running the same arch install for atleast 5 years… I honestly can’t recommend any other distro because I haven’t used many for a long enough period of time

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

Ok but I won’t use stable distributions until im need to use them and how did not crash from maintenance and downloaded too many softwares

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I also used Arch for 5+ years and had very few issues. If you know what you’re doing, it’s not hard to keep it running stable.

I’m now on Tumbleweed and have even fewer issues.

But honestly, what’s wrong with stable distros? I recommend them by default because there’s far less chance for anything to go wrong day to day, and your only concern is at release time. I switched because I’m a developer and using the latest is better for me so I can test on the latest versions of things. I also prefer to fix things as I go instead of potentially lose a day to a release upgrade going sideways (happened twice, once with Ubuntu and again with Fedora).

Btw, Tumbleweed is great because it configures snapper by default, which let’s you roll back if an upgrade goes poorly. I’ve used it a few times over 2-3 years, mostly when my NVIDIA driver got mismatched from the kernel. I’m now on an AMD GPU and haven’t needed it since.

zaphod , in What's the best rolling release Distributions that doesn't crash too much
@zaphod@lemmy.ca avatar

Debian testing or unstable.

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

Ok do you know sparkly Linux is great rolling distribution in addition to pclinux os

hornedfiend , in What's the best rolling release Distributions that doesn't crash too much

Long time arch user (amazing distro). Recently moved to Fedora Kinoite to try it out. I like it so far.

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

Ok thanks but why not use bazzite its way better for Gaming

hornedfiend ,

Cause those are nothing more then distros that come with some prepackeged apps. Nothing I can’t easily do myself and prefer more vanilla experience and minimal bloat distros.

Willdrick ,

Bazzite is just an immutable fedora image with preconfigured containers, among others an arch container for running steam and adjacent apps.

Overall fedora (whether immutable or regular) feels like a rolling release. By the time a new release comes out, most packages are similar, except maybe a big suite (e.g. new gnome version). Upgrades are also pretty seamless too. My grandpa’s pc has been running Fedora since 27 (or 29) and it’s now on 38. Never reinstalled

sugar_in_your_tea ,

The last time I used Fedora was almost 15 years ago, and back then release upgrades took forever (45 min IIRC) and stuff often broke. That was the main reason I switched to Arch and why I stick with rolling releases these days. Their packages were usually really fresh, so that is still the same.

I think I used Fedora last around 18 or 20 (can’t remember exactly), and I remember it being the first major distro to use GNOME 3 and systemd. My main gripe was the upgrader, fedup, and yum was really slow, but other than that it was a fine distro.

I’m on openSUSE Tumbleweed now and have no intention to try Fedora again, but I like that it’s an option.

SaladevX ,

It’s wild how everyone’s experiences are different. I’ve tried to upgrade Fedora versions twice, and ran into issues both times.

Meanwhile I’ve been smooth sailing with Arch for years.

fossisfun , in What's the best rolling release Distributions that doesn't crash too much
@fossisfun@lemmy.ml avatar

Have you considered a fixed release in combination with rolling applications (i. e. Flatpak, Snap)?

If you choose Fedora (preferably one of the atomic variants, like Silverblue), you would also get a rolling kernel and rolling KDE Plasma desktop, so overall the experience can be quite close to a rolling release distribution if you install the desktop applications via Flatpak.

Ubuntu “interim” (non-LTS) releases are usually also fairly current and could be a good choice if you don’t mind Snap. There’s also the option of following the Ubuntu “devel” branch, which always refers to the current pre-release version of Ubuntu (e. g. 24.04 at the moment) and is rolling.

Just wanted to give you a different direction to think about. ;)

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

thanks I haven’t known about it but I have Opensuse Tumbleweed for gaming use and endeavour os for the aur

null ,

Just FYI, if you like EndeavourOS, you should know that it’s essentially an installer for Vanilla Arch (unlike Majaro which is Arch-based).

So you may have just had bad luck when you tried Vanilla Arch that you didn’t have with EndeavourOS – but there’s no real difference between the 2 besides manual vs GUI installer.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Depending on what you want, OpenSUSE’s OBS is a great alternative to the AUR. It works by building software given a script, so you still just download binary packages, unlike the AUR where you download build scripts.

I honestly haven’t needed much since switching from Arch to openSUSE, though I’ve played with some OBS packages here and there. I used to maintain some AUR packages, and I haven’t needed to on Tumbleweed.

Give it a shot, you probably don’t need both. I prefer Tumbleweed these days, but I’ve used Tumbleweed and Arch both for about the same amount of time (5-ish years) and can recommend both.

unix_joe , in What's the best rolling release Distributions that doesn't crash too much
@unix_joe@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Debian Liquorix kernel Flatpak the apps

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

thanks will do later

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Why mess with the kernel? The standard one works fine and you’re likely looking at 1-2% difference either way.

Also, stable isn’t rolling, that’s in the name.

Chewy7324 ,

Liquorix and Zen kernels have different cpu scheduler which makes them more responsive for desktop usage under heavy load.

Theoretically this reduces throughput but it’s barely measurable, compared to the noticeably better responsiveness.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I doubt it’s as noticeable as you make it out to be. I use the default kernel shipped with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and the system is acceptably responsive while under load, with the main exception being low memory situations (i.e. heavy swap usage). But I expect the Zen scheduler to have similar issues.

Then again, I probably have more tolerance for poor responsiveness because I rarely run my system to its limits (unless compiling) and rarely interact with other apps while playing games.

Chewy7324 ,

It’s only been noticeable while compiling and looking at animations. It might also just be placebo or I’m misremembering since it’s been many months since I “tested” it.

It wasn’t my intention to make it sound like it’s a giant improvement. It’s marginal but if it’s simple to install I’d say go for it.

ghen , in gpu performance test

Any of the unigine benchmarks work great. As long as you record which settings you use for each test. I just got done overclocking my 1070 using heaven and superposition.

I used greenwithenvy to do the OC itself

nekusoul , in In 3 hours Cities: Skylines II will launch: is there any report on how it runs with Proton?
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

I don’t know of any report, but just like the first one it’s still using Unity, so I wouldn’t worry from a compatibility perspective.
That said, the performance is apparently pretty bad, so if you care about that the experience will probably be awful on any OS.

dinckelman , in In 3 hours Cities: Skylines II will launch: is there any report on how it runs with Proton?

Be the first to let everyone know. I don’t expect it to not run, but given everything else at the moment, I don’t expect it to run well yet

leinardi OP ,
dinckelman ,

That’s excellent to hear. We have a very similar config. The only difference is NY slightly older gpu

eager_eagle , in In 3 hours Cities: Skylines II will launch: is there any report on how it runs with Proton?
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

Gameranx’s “Before you Buy” said it was “extremely undercooked and not optimized”, struggling to get to 30fps on medium settings on a good rig - so I don’t imagine it’ll run any better on Proton for now. I’ll wait a few patches before getting it.

Rentlar , in In 3 hours Cities: Skylines II will launch: is there any report on how it runs with Proton?

It ‘opens’ on Steam Deck and Mac but it runs poorly even before really starting your city (City Planner Plays tried it to benchmark), so it appears that it is at least compatible with Linux via Proton.

empireOfLove , in In 3 hours Cities: Skylines II will launch: is there any report on how it runs with Proton?

Sounded like you’ll be lucky to get it running even on a normal Windows rig let alone via proton lol. Paradox doing Paradox things

robot-ears , in In 3 hours Cities: Skylines II will launch: is there any report on how it runs with Proton?

I really hope it runs on Proton well at some point in the near future, if not on release. I've been eyeing a reason to upgrade my gaming rig and CSII feels like a good enough reason for me to go for it (once they iron out some of the performance stuff)

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