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prorester , in For all the doubters that Linux gaming is smoother and faster.

And you uploaded it to peertube. Good lad! Thanks for the video

AlphaOmega , in For all the doubters that Linux gaming is smoother and faster.

Apex legends was a good 30% increase for me.

ZariZari , in For all the doubters that Linux gaming is smoother and faster.

Dude, honestly stop making such “crazy” things.

Prople will debunk you then hit you to the ground. Just say the truth of the gimmiky things you do because a 25% performance boost is unreal.

A 5% to a maximum 10% is more believable but your stuff is a quarter of a video card processing power and this should ring you a bell of alarm because the doodoo you are eating there is pure BS.

ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Say what you will, I posted ALL the settings and updates and OBS Settings in video form. I am not obliged to do any of these things. People have come here stating that they don’t believe this is real without ANY arguments. When you want to talk seriously, maybe, we can do it.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

It is amazing that person’s entire argument amounts to “nuh-uh”. Like okay… they’re confident someone will debunk it, but they aren’t going to?

Sounds like they shouldn’t be so confident then.

ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

He also got more likes than me with his no-post. Be reminded of that. People live on copium.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

You’ll rarely be more downvoted than when you’re the OP of a thread where people disagree with you I’m afraid.

ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I don’t mind that but what I do mind is people not believing the video without any reason. It goes to show how deeply rooted the bias is.

bgtlover ,

@ReverseModule @Excrubulent is it only me, or the video has no sound at all?

ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Sound works fine for me.

ZariZari ,

Inform yourself what a “video card core” does, how many “transistors” has, what “clock core speed” does and what cache levels is and does.

Out of the bat this guy has 25% more transistors in his core then the entire original GPU and LOOKS FISHY AF.

Straight out of the bat 25% more transistors! Outrageous.

hogart ,
@hogart@feddit.nu avatar

Linux gaming is a little hit or miss. Some games have a performance boost. Some are about the same. And some games perform worse. This is the reality. And this is what should be expected.

Your post is still true for your specific hardware and this specific game, with these specific drivers, but let’s not go crazy here. Linux is good, yes. Fantastic even, on the Steam Deck. On PC most people are better off sticking with Windows, especially if you play a couple of competitive multiplayer titles. Or if you want to stream games from one device to another in house. Or if you have limited time and just want shit to work. Linux is getting closer, but the out of the box experience need to become way better and I don’t doubt it will sooner rather than later.

havokdj ,

I really hate seeing the words “Linux is getting closer” as if the entire point of running Linux is an alternative platform to run games on.

It is not, Linux is really not any different than it was when the first distributions released. This is it. Yes things like DXVK and WINE and Proton are going to improve, but those things are not Linux, they are software that RUNS on Linux. If you actually want to make the switch to Linux, then you aren’t going to wait until it is “perfect” because none of it is ever going to be perfect, that is the nature of all things in the universe. If you truly want to embrace something, you have to embrace the bullshit as well, that’s why I made the switch 17-18 years ago and never went back to windows for a daily.

The entire point of Linux is to have a malleable free and open source operating system that can be used for any application from desktop to server to embedded. The fact alone that it is a different operating system will already change the ways you do things, but the additional fact that it is not supported on the desktop front by corporations but rather the community means you will have to make sacrifices, but a community backing will give so much more in the end.

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux,” and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.

Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

havokdj ,

No, Richard, it’s ‘Linux’, not ‘GNU/Linux’. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS – more on this later). He named it ‘Linux’ with a little help from his friends. Why doesn’t he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff – including the software I wrote using GCC – and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don’t want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title ‘GNU/Linux’ (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn’t the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you’ve heard this one before. Get used to it. You’ll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn’t more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn’t perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I’d like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn’t be fighting among ourselves over naming other people’s software. But what the heck, I’m in a bad mood now. I think I’m feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn’t you and everyone refer to GCC as ‘the Linux compiler’? Or at least, ‘Linux GCC’? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux’ huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don’t be a nag.

Thanks for listening.

hogart ,
@hogart@feddit.nu avatar

This went south, east, north and west at the same time. Calm down people :)

havokdj ,

It should have went southeast and northwest

ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The Linux gaming experience is better than Windows on AMD. Period. I’ve been testing games on many systems (mostly on AMD) through the Proton years. I just want t debunk the myth that Linux gaming is worse. Cause it’s not. It’s better.

hogart ,
@hogart@feddit.nu avatar

Depends. I need Parsec as host. Or something equivalent. And I couldn’t find it. So I’m stuck where I am.

ram , in For all the doubters that Linux gaming is smoother and faster.
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

This is ragebait.

TrickDacy ,

If this enrages people they are morons

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Oh I agree, but “For all the doubters” is deliberately provocative. We can agree on that, right?

TrickDacy ,

I mean it obviously subverts expectations and that’s the point.

ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I mean this thread alone proves my point and my title. I have a video with 10 games coming up, DXVK, VKD3D, Vulkan on Proton and Native Vulkan. Let’s see how this goes with all the people that doubt that Linux Gaming is actually better than Windows.

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

You really feel like the only reason to use or not use Linux is how much you can game on it, eh?

I’d rather push Linux for its strengths than lie and spread misinfo to lead people to believe Linux is always better than Windows at gaming perf. There’s many times it’s not, or it’s incompatible, or you need to spend possibly hours finding the right community-developed launcher / recompilation to get it to run. Gaming on Linux is a mess, that’s the only certainty about it lol

The abject strengths of Linux are its command line, its customisability, its compatibility with various utility softwares, and its productivity. Instead of drinking copium over a fruitless effort, just focus on actual strengths lmao

ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Linux gaming is definitely not a mess. XD

But beyond that, I don’t care how Linux performs in games. I play CP on RT Ultra in Linux while on Windows it has double the performance. Too much of a hassle to reboot while Linux has liek 30 measurable advantages.

I just want to dispel the myth that Windows is better for gaming, cause it’s not.

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Windows is more easily compatible for gaming, generally, and for 90% of people that’s all that matters. Specifically various anti-cheats do not play well with Linux.

ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I agree about the anticheat games. Beyond that if you don’t play some extremely niche 1995 game, Linux will most probably work fine and better on an AMD system.

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Yeah, I’ll agree with that at least. Issue is how prolific kernal-based anti-cheat software is in multiplayer games. Hopefully some day they’ll become more generally linux compatible. Make that happen and get Playnite^no^ ^not^ ^Lutris^ ported natively to Linux and it’ll become my daily driver instead of just my development station and webserver.

onlinepersona ,

Successful ragebait at that.

orac , in In 3 hours Cities: Skylines II will launch: is there any report on how it runs with Proton?

Runs fine on my computer. Getting a consistent 40-60 fps without lag or stuttering in a 10K city.

  • OS: Manjaro
  • KERNEL: 6.5.5-1
  • CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X
  • GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT
  • DRIVER: 4.6 Mesa 23.1.9
  • PROTON: 8.0-4
GustavoM , in For all the doubters that Linux gaming is smoother and faster.
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t we just stop trying to be “a better Windows”? Just leave the poor fella alone – he already killed himself anyways. :^)

onlinepersona ,

That’ll be in windows 12 if it “goes cloud”.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

That article/leak was debunked, stop jerking off over it.

GustavoM , in What's the best rolling release Distributions that doesn't crash too much
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

Debian hands down delivers the most stable experience of em all – even after updating from stable to sid.

t. Did exactly that on a unsupported sbc, “Orange pi zero 3”, and everything works.

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

thanks but Debain isn’t easy to use

GustavoM ,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

…wait what

So you think Gentoo is okay but Debian isnt?

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

I was guessing but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work And yes I know Debain is easy nowadays but regardless I will try Debain or even better MX Linux and Linux mint Debain edition

psycho_driver ,

Delving into the realm of non-rolling distros, yes MX is quite good (sits on top of Debian). I’ve used the latest version on a laptop seeing almost daily use for 1.5 years or so and zero issues. And thread originator is correct, Debian is the gold standard for a stable linux experience.

Mohamad20ZX OP ,

that’s why I want to try it later because it’s the really Best Distro for most of my old computers that otherwise use puppy or antix

Chewy7324 , in For all the doubters that Linux gaming is smoother and faster.

This proves that AC Oddysey runs faster on Linux than on Windows with your specific hardware. What this doesn’t mean is that “Linux gaming is faster and smoother than Windows gaming”.

Counter examples are Overwatch, CS:2, GTA V and many more.

Nobody reasonable doubts that Linux can perform as good or better than Windows, but claiming that this is true for all games is simply misinformation.

Wrong general claims like these lead to posts asking why their specific games run worse on Linux since they switched because they want more fps.

Don’t get me started on older GPU’s like 1000 series Nvidia that have problems with any vkd3d games so the performance is abysmal.

Why is it not enough that almost all games work on Linux with ±15% performance difference?

AI_toothbrush ,

Its still fucking embarrassing for windows

Chewy7324 ,

Not really. Games almost always have some bottleneck and maybe on proton a specific system call is faster. A translation layer doesn’t have much of an performance impact if the individual translations are as fast as native.

The great performance speaks more to the quality of wine, dxvk, vkd3d and other tools developed by very skilled individuals.

ReverseModule OP ,
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I never said ALL games run better on Linux. But on AMD most games do. I cannot fit ALL games in a video. You’re talking in generalities that cannot be proven. I did say more videos will come. Apart from Ray Tracing, gaming on Linux on AMD is both faster and smoother. Can you prove me wrong? Do it. :)

darcmage ,
ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

This is a year ago on Ubuntu lol. XD

zoomshoes ,

Goal posts: moved

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

To be fair, AMD performs better on Linux than Windows in general because AMD makes shit drivers.

ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Thank you, exactly my point.

DaPorkchop_ ,

Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, as a graphics programmer AMD’s proprietary drivers are unquestionably the buggiest which I have to work with on a regular basis. Seemingly innocent stuff which works perfectly fine on every other vendor (and on the same GPU using the open-source drivers) will cause the proprietary drivers to break horribly or run slower by multiple orders of magnitude.

Chewy7324 ,

Yes, it’s great that you actually test Windows and Linux on the same system.

I’m just going off the title since it implies that Linux generally runs Windows games better, which isn’t the norm.

According to the german tech magazin ComputerBase, Linux generally performs much worse on the 1% low fps. Those largely determine how smooth the game actually feels.

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ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

This is very interesting. Keep in mind these are all DX12 games and VKD3D is still under heavy dev. Still nice to have it as information. Thank you very much! :)

Chewy7324 , (edited )

Yes and iirc the benchmarks are from relatively short after the release so there might be room for improvement.

Imo new titles are important to look at when it comes to how people perceive gaming on linux for the first time.

It’s always suprising how well and consistent dxvk performs. I’m sure it’s a lot of work with many games requiring special attention.

Edit: typo

priapus ,

I agree with what you’re saying, but I dont understand the games you used as counter examples. All of them run very well on Linux.

Chewy7324 ,

The reason I chose those games was because I played those popular games for dozens of hours or more on Linux and can confidently say they work great. Additonally they are running on different engines and were released over the course of many years.

sneaky_b45tard , in In 3 hours Cities: Skylines II will launch: is there any report on how it runs with Proton?

PSA you can download a savegame with a city pop of 100k to check how well the game will run in later stages. By doing this you can check it and refund it if necessary.

darcmage , in For all the doubters that Linux gaming is smoother and faster.

Obligatory I play exclusively on linux.

In the absence of a gamersnexus video or phoronix article, I’m going to take this with a large grain of salt. Especially when a video like this one is showing much higher performance in windows. The different cpu shouldn’t account for much of a difference when playing at higher resolutions and the benchmarks shows the game being gpu limited.

ReverseModule OP ,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Thank you for your non-argument.

Petter1 , in The Ongoing Work For Native Wine Wayland Support

I’m on the wayland train 🚂🚃🚃 I just embrace the new, and don’t know pro / cons 😂 wayland just seems to be more clean somehow.

folkrav ,

Weird flex but ok

FluffyPotato , in For all the doubters that Linux gaming is smoother and faster.

Honestly I would prefer Linux even if I lost 25% of the performance in games and that’s like the main thing I use a computer for. Windows 10 was such a hassle to set up so it wouldn’t annoy me that I don’t ever want to do it again.

Swarfega ,

Installing Windows 10 and then some graphics drivers was a hassle? Please elaborate.

serratur ,

I guess its all the debloating

FluffyPotato ,

There are like 30 GPO setting needing to be set on a fresh install plus 3th party software to fix issues. I can’t 100% remember what all of it was since I used Windows years ago last but these were some of the issues needing fixing with those:

  1. Setting updates to manual. Once it rebooted to update when I was hosting a server during a lan party, never again.
  2. Disabling driver updates via Windows update. It installed wrong drivers for my sound card so whenever it tried to play a sound I got a BSOD. It also unistalled the correct drivers just to install the wrong ones.
  3. Fixing the start menu search. After Windows 7 that search has been very buggy and it commonly finds a folder or a Web page instead of a locally installed application. In Windows 8 a software named Classic Shell fixed that issue along with making the start menu normal but I can’t remember if I used that in Windows 10 or something else.
  4. Printer compadibility. May be reversed now but one update for Windows 10 broke old printer compadibility intentionally and you needed to add 2 registry settings for my printer to be usable.
  5. One bug windows 10 had that I never did fully solve was my ethernet connection would hang if I tried to transfer a lot of data over local network and the only way to get the connection back was rebooting so the only solution was to limit transfer speed via 3th party software. This issue did not exist in any Linux install or Windows 7 and 8.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot , in TUXEDO Linux Gaming Laptops Powered by AMD Ryzen 7000 Series CPUs Are Back

Why do all these Linux laptops use Nvidia GPUs?

tomten ,

Because they are just rebranding oem devices

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

Then why isn’t there a single one of them that picks an AMD OEM device to rebrand? Why sell a Linux gaming laptop at all if the key piece of hardware that makes it a gaming laptop is one with infamously bad Linux driver support?

tomten ,

Aren’t any AMD based ones? Seems to be very few laptops with AMD gfx overall.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

Few, yes, but not zero. Unless you want one with Linux on it from the factory, then it’s zero.

tomten ,

Yes and it sucks, I would love one

wfh ,

AFAIK there are no OEMs that build AMD dGPU-equipped laptops. Most “small brand” and Linux-first laptop manufacturers actually sell rebadged Tongfang or Clevo laptops, and 99% of their products are Intel anyway. AMD CPUs are often only found in “gaming” laptops with nVidia dGPUs.

That’s why I’ve put a deposit on a Framework 16. Zen 4 CPU, optional RDNA3 dGPU module, upgradable and repairable. They’re not preinstalling Linux like Tuxedo or Slimbook, but they’re at least Linux-friendly.

tomten ,

Framework isn’t available where I am yet unfortunately.

wfh ,

Yeah depends on where you are but they’re slowly expanding their operations. I think they should ship at least to the whole EU instead of focusing only on the richest markets, and this might be easier since they opened their new fulfillment center in the Netherlands, but having followed closely the SteamDeck’s launch, I also know that logistics are a pain even for a huge company like Valve. It probably doesn’t make sense yet for suck a “small” operation to spread itself too thin too soon.

trougnouf ,

I am very happy with my RX6800 based Asus Zephyrus G14 laptop :)

FreeLikeGNU ,

My RX6700 based 2022 is a beast. I think Valve did an amazing job with the AMD based Steam deck leveraging Linux as well! You can hook up the little handheld to a monitor or a TV and still have a blast with nearly all of your existing Steam library for not much money.

open_world , in The Ongoing Work For Native Wine Wayland Support
@open_world@lemmy.world avatar

Much appreciation for everyone who contributed to this effort

Squirrel , in For all the doubters that Linux gaming is smoother and faster.
@Squirrel@thelemmy.club avatar

I just have to comment here about the “like getting a new GPU”, because do people really upgrade that frequently? I generally see a much bigger jump in performance when upgrading.

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