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Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

They just started counting all my computers and virtual machines on which I run Arch and Nixos btw!

Laser ,

Good choices

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Thanks! As I have been learning to love the Nix way of doing things my only regret is missing the great documentation of Arch. Hopefully we can have the best of both worlds in the future!

bloodfart ,

European governments will do this thing where they pass some law that says they have to take bids from local vendors for systems, olafs computer service will put in a bid with some free software system, the government will take them up on it, spend a bunch of money trying to integrate it into their existing systems with varying degrees of success then parlay abandoning it for their majority provider in exchange for avoiding cost increases or some free support/equipment.

I think Germany’s done it twice now.

d_k_bo ,

I think Germany’s done it twice now.

It was Munich and they switched back to Windows after M$ moved their German headquarters to Munich.

bloodfart ,

That was very funny.

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Smelly corruption that was as plain as day

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

The EU requires government acquisitions to be publicly announced so that private companies can make offers that the government then must choose from (not freely, mind you, but following some “objective” metrics).

Even though this might sound great to some, it has the downside of promoting commercial services and vendor lock-in up to the point that even if a free and open source alternative exists, it cannot be used unless there also exists some commercial entity behind it that can sell the software and support for it in accordance with the established metrics.

This might be one of the biggest hurdles in the way for Linux adoption, since anyone can claim to do lots of great stuff with SUPERproprietarySOFTWARE^TM^ and then hold critical services, like healthcare mentioned elsewhere, hostage to their failure to deliver on promises and future bad support.

bloodfart ,

Even more important, a huge multinational like Microsoft can be forced in court to provide the support they sell under threat of legal action that would cripple their profitability in the region. Olafs computer service will just turn its pockets inside out, flip around the shingle to closed and leave the national drivers license agency in a lurch.

On some level the companies that sell and support systems government relies on have to be treated as nation states themselves in order to maintain normalcy, which both parties “want”.

fruitycoder ,

I in general very much support requiring paying for support. I.e. SLAs with consequences for not meeting targets support.

At least for software/hardware running things that can’t afford indefinite unauthorized access or downtime if left in a vulnerable state. (Some stuff actually can IMHO be like that).

I also think governments should have justify renting software insteading buying it if the money is intended to be an investment of any kind.

ZeroHora ,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

1 out of the 3 total norwegian changed the OS after creating a lemmy account.

Bronzie ,

We’re quite stupid and easy to influence.

Proof in point: I’ve gone from 0 to 3 Linux machines since joining Lemmy.

Someone send help, please??

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

I can send you an ISO file with more Tux.

lunsjentilanette ,

Same here. Maybe that explains it, all linux users just run multiple systems. I dont know many people who use linux certainly not every third person I meet.

Source: æøå

Bronzie ,

I really want to and at the same time don’t want to know where your name comes from…

I’m thinking koffert straight away

lunsjentilanette ,

No luggage no worries

bigmclargehuge ,
@bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world avatar

Buy Raspberry Pis in bulk and make pointless SBC projects. It’s the only thing that will fulfill you.

possiblylinux127 ,

Go Pine64

nossaquesapao ,

And grab their risc-v model

possiblylinux127 ,

Or the arm version. They both are good for software freedom

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Go Framework

Zeoic ,

Hah, never thought of it like that. I went from 0 to 2 linux desktop machines shortly after joining lemmy.

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

You laugh but I installed my first Linux distro after leaving reddit and coming here lol.

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

One must protect their liberty

wowwoweowza ,

Serious question for you all. I too wish to see Linux use increase. I also want to see corporate social media die. I am thinking of requiring my students to create Lemmy accounts for a Lemmy group i create.

Do you think this might move folks away from essy corporate os and social media? How do You see it giving wrong?

yuri ,

I like it! Even if the majority of em completely abandon the accounts afterwards, it’ll increase the visibility of a fledgeling platform AND it’ll show a few folks that alternative social media platforms exist.

I mean, shit, if lemmy can suit my needs there’s no reason it shouldn’t work for at least some of em.

heartbreaker OP ,

I remember a teacher requiring us to use Matrix for a coding class. We still mostly used Discord, and after that class ended, we never used it again.

You and I have a reason we use Lemmy: we don’t want to use Reddit and want the Fediverse to grow. Simply forcing your students to make Lemmy accounts won’t do anything, in fact it might make them hate it (Oke boomer).

Corgana ,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

Eh, just because you can’t make a horse drink water is no reason not to lead it there.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

but in this case its not water, just a niche community

chocosoldier ,

“hey there’s this thing called lemmy, check it out some time” <- leading a horse to water

“ok you have to register an account on lemmy, it’s part of your grade” <- shoving a hose down the horse’s throat and cranking the spigot

Corgana ,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

Exactly. I remember when my favorite teacher said “This is a textbook. Check it out sometime”.

chocosoldier ,

yes because having assigned reading material directly and specifically relevant to the subject of the class is exactly the same as registering for a website full of shitposts and propaganda bots. remember when you got all that spam from opening your textbook, and there was an entire chapter calling you out for being a little bitch?

that’s the stupidest comparison i’ve ever heard.

Tippon ,

I like the idea, but a lot of people resent being made to create accounts on random services. We know that Lemmy is good because we’re here, but it might put them off the idea.

Depending on the age of your students, you might have to be careful about the fact that NSFW content is freely available here, and check the terms of your instance to see if they’re allowed to make accounts in the first place e.g. on most social media and forums you have to be 13 or over.

wowwoweowza ,

These are college students. I’ll try to make the assignment relevant and fun.

Tippon ,

Awesome, good luck 🙂

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

You’re going to start hearing about beans in your classroom

palordrolap ,

Haven't seen this in the other comments: Coolness factor. If you're a successfully popular teacher, i.e. "cool", then your students will likely want to participate in whatever it is you suggest.

However, if they don't see you as cool, you might have difficulty, and might even put them off the platform. This is not something that can be fixed easily, and trying to be cool is about as uncool as you can get.

(Making it mandatory will work, of course, but how you go about that could determine whether they choose to stay on the platform once you're done. This was kind of covered by OP talking about Matrix in another comment here.)

wowwoweowza ,

Good points. I need to be very thoughtful before i procede. Thank You.

chocosoldier ,

requiring my students to create Lemmy accounts

No. Nobody likes registering accounts for random services because an authority figure told them they had to, I feel like if it were me I would do the bare minimum of interacting that I was required to and never look at the service again out of resentment.

Agility0971 ,
@Agility0971@lemmy.world avatar

I would rather say that help questions can be posted there. That way its not forving anyone to do anything

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Yes as it will get your students to dip their toes into the fediverse

Vincent ,

One extra Norwegian user in Statcounter’s biased and unrepresentative dataset started to use Linux, probably.

independantiste ,
@independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t think it’s that biased and unrepresentative, as Pornhub’s usage statistics show about the same numbers for global Linux usage

Cethin ,

Pornhub is legitimately one of the best sites for internet statistics around. It’s very widely visited and they actually put out the numbers. (Although, sadly, in my state of Virginia, they comply with identification requirements, so I only visit it with my VPN active, which then fucks up the stats.)

possiblylinux127 ,

“Best sites”

sparr ,

This reminds me of Meetup.com dying almost everywhere except Chicago where the HQ is and everyone uses it.

mtchristo ,

Of all countries Norway might be among the last to switch to Linux.

Rich countries tend to go the apple way.

Bronzie ,

It might surprise you to learn that Apple is not dominating the market here, neither in phones or laptops.

When I think about it, I only really know one person with a Macbok and at work, Android is probably 2/3. Source: I’m the IT guy ordering phones for everybody.

mtchristo ,

Statcounter’s graph of iOS market share points to more than half 56% on Norway, so I bet if there is a need for replacing windows in Norway they will swing to apple instead of Linux.

Bronzie ,

It would be pure guessing, but I’m not so sure iOS preferance necessarily translates to MacOS preferance. Especially with todays prices and interest rates. Again, just me guessing.

I hope Windows keeps making dumb decisions so we can find out though!

llothar ,

Nothing is happening in Norway. Source: I live in Norway.

I’ve met only a handful people that use Linux on their desktop, plus some developers that use it at work.

chevy9294 ,

Then atleast fake it until you make it!

plumbercraic ,
@plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

There are dozens of us

Chee_Koala ,

dozens of dozens!

DerisionConsulting ,

That’s gross.

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

Baker’s dozens!

philpo ,

Yes,we know about your small population,but just because Karl uses Linux now,does that really matter?

gerdesj ,

I run (one of three partners) a small IT company in the UK. I’ve always Linuxed since around 1998. After messing with RedHat, Mandrake, Yggdrasil and others I settled down and ran Gentoo for many years and then Arch for some more.

I’m gradually dumping the Windows servers and replacing with Linux based beasties. We are also in the throws of replacing VMware with Proxmox.

I also have a pretty decent Kbuntu based desktop/laptop effort. I’ve done Windows client deployments in the 1000s so I have quite a good idea about compliance etc. An Ubuntu based box can run several AV solutions, secure boot and full disc encryption. Buzz words perhaps but also audit points and will get you over the line for Cyber Essentials Plus (UK).

Libre Office works for me and I used to teach office suites in the 90’s! Things have moved on since but a decimal alignment stop is a decimal alignment stop today too (do you know what that means?). I run our Exchange system, and I migrated it from GroupWise back in the day because the kool kids “required” it. Anyway, Evolution with EWS will get you full functionality for a client but with far less faff.

I’m taking my time. I already have at least two employees who are dyed in the wool Windows officianados begging me to migrate them to Linux. I will but it takes time. For example - “drive mappings” or in English: Remote mounts.

CID - cid-doc.github.io . This is an easy to add Windows compat thing. Its rather good. For static desktops its fine but for laptops that move around a lot it can be hard to get the file system mounts working again quickly in a dynamic environment.

CID uses a PAM mount based system and in the past I used another one (autofs I think). However it seems to me that mounts are not dynamic or responsive enough. In the end it is Samba and that might need some fettling as well.

As I said earlier, I’m taking my time (I’m an engineer) but be assured that Linux is quite capable of driving your desktop.

netvor ,
@netvor@lemmy.world avatar

You know, charts can lie, but with THAT crosshatch? Impossible.

istanbullu ,

noice

bappity ,
@bappity@lemmy.world avatar

I wish there were more focus on the desktop and app gui side of things on Linux

sure using the terminal to install things is very efficient but some people just want an install button and a gui that they don’t have to use more than 2 braincells to figure out why package not found or some obscure error with an app for the next 2 hours with forum pages full of condescending non answers

sunzu ,

Flatpak?

acockworkorange ,

I don’t think that’s been an issue for several years now. At least for distros focused on user friendliness.

asap ,
@asap@lemmy.world avatar

Try Aurora.

Everything I’ve tried to install has all been point and click using flatpaks.

If you’re into gaming, use Bazzite instead, which comes with all the gaming stuff pre installed.

bappity ,
@bappity@lemmy.world avatar

thank you for the recommendations!

Blisterexe ,

Those are somewhat niche distros, id personally recommend mint, zorin, pop_os! or what have you.

It really depends on what your usecase and tastes are though.

gnuplusmatt ,

Haven’t you just recommended 3 stale Ubuntu variants there?

Blisterexe ,

Miny and pop are often updated, zorin does admittedly have a slow update cycle

FooBarrington ,

Niche is relative - they are variants of Fedora, and have been getting very popular very quickly.

The_Terrible_Humbaba ,

I can’t vouch for every Linux distro that claims to be user-friendly, but I’ve fully switched to Linux Mint a couple of months ago, and I’ve had no issues. The only times I’ve used the console are when I want to use it.

My biggest worry before fully switching was playing pirated games, or games that I bought outside of Steam, but using Lutris it has been pretty straight forward.

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

I'm tired of pandering to people that can't take the time to learn how to operate a computer. I hate the trend of the last 25 years of making everything "idiot proof", because it's not helping people, it's making them dumber. I remember a time when normal users were expected to set DIP switches on their motherboards and edit autoexec.bat files.

A lot of gen-z doesn't even know what a hierarchial filesystem is anymore. They just shove all their media into "galleries", but can't actually tell you where that file is actually located.

jjlinux ,
@jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

This is the unfortunate reality. My kids (11 and 9) have only ever used Linux distros, and they are keyboard warriors to boot. They say that the only reason to use the mouse is to aim in video games 🤣

Adda ,
@Adda@lemmy.ml avatar

I especially appreciate that the graph is designed as “Linux” and “Other” instead of “Windows”, maybe “MacOS” and “Other”.

troyunrau ,
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

Linux on all their electric cars, and they’re watching porn while driving ;)

haui_lemmy ,

Where do I sign?

Valmond ,

On the fat cheque

haui_lemmy ,

Oh right. I knew I missed something.

mryessir ,

You need to write “I agree on the terms of service, rent agreement and privacy policy of any electric vehicle manufacture” in order for me to elaborate on the topic, please.

TheButtonJustSpins ,

Is that where all the government computers run Ubuntu?

vortexsurfer ,

I’m a Norwegian Linux enthusiast and have never heard anything about the government using Ubuntu or Linux. Seems unlikely, from what I know. I know that within healthcare Windows is still widely used, even on the server side…

On the other hand, a lot of software for official services is being developed as open source now, so that’s at least a good step in the right direction. Example: github.com/navikt

techognito , (edited )
@techognito@lemmy.world avatar

Norwegian government loves windows, so yea, I really doubt it. (by it, I mean the government using Ubuntu thing)

Source: I used to work for the Norwegian government

edit: added explanation to “it”, so not to be as confusing to what I refered to.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

You’re thinking of Switzerland

TheButtonJustSpins ,

Ah, thanks! I knew it was somewhere.

Sibbo ,

This graph gives me some Corona flashbacks.

expatriado , (edited )

I was confused why they used Swedish flag colors for a Norwegian graph

pmk ,

The welfare of the brother peoples.

techognito ,
@techognito@lemmy.world avatar

Well you see. 1905 never happened, and we are all under Sweden still. /s

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