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HerNameIsTitou , in Are there any distros that could run on a pentium 2?
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@nichtburningturtle I run Arch Linux on a Pentium 2 E5300 and with some system tweaks like using Dwm/St, less than 1000 packages and args on some software it run smoothly.

nichtburningturtle OP ,
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Did you use an archlinux32 i486 iso?

HerNameIsTitou ,
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@nichtburningturtle nah, amd64 official arch linux

nichtburningturtle OP ,
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Didn’t know there were 64bit pentium 2 cpus.

n2burns ,

I can’t find anything to anything to support their assertion that a E5300 is a “Pentium 2”, but the chip is from 2008, so it’s not relevant to your situation. Maybe they meant it was a Pentium from the Core2Duo time, but that’s still not a “Pentium 2”.

Frederic ,

not this P2, I think OP is talking about the P2 from 1997, I had a P2 266MHz and was running it at 300 (75x4), 32MB of RAM, 4GB HD, it was the shit in 97

refalo , in Are there any distros that could run on a pentium 2?

Tiny Core has a minimum CPU of i486DX.

antiX might also work but I couldn’t find a minimum CPU requirement listed, just that it has an x86 version.

bjoern_tantau , in Are there any distros that could run on a pentium 2?
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Fli4l should. Back when it was new it was meant to fit on a floppy and run on 3’86 machines. It’s for running a home router.

aksdb ,

Fli4l is still around?! Crazy. I used that back in 2002 or so to turn an old i386 with 3 ISA HP 100Mbit network cards into a router + fileserver combo. Good times.

aksdb , in Java uses double ram.

glibc’s malloc increases the stacksize of threads depending on the number of cpu cores you have. The JVM might spawn a shitload of threads. That can increase the memory usage outside of the JVMs heap considerably. You could try to run the jvm with tcmalloc (which will replace malloc calls for the spawned process). Also different JVMs bundle different memory allocators. I think Zulu could also improve the situation out of the box. tcmalloc might still help additionally.

possiblylinux127 , in In praise of Linux.

You don’t need cron for updates as it is built in. Just flip the toggle and set a time.

JoMiran OP ,
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I am that old. I like to know exactly what is happening and when.

possiblylinux127 , in Are there any distros that could run on a pentium 2?

The Linux kernel works fine. How much ram do you have? I personally would build a custom image with buildroot.

Other option is Debian

nichtburningturtle OP ,
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32MB

rimu ,
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I think that's going to be more of a limitation than your CPU. Any chance of getting 256+ MB of ram?

possiblylinux127 , (edited )

Buildroot as that is to small for anything else. However, it can run small programs like vi and nano. You probably could even run neofetch.

TCB13 ,
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The option is Debian.

Frederic , in Are there any distros that could run on a pentium 2?

Pretty sure AntiX would work on this

superkret , in Are there any distros that could run on a pentium 2?

May I ask what you want to do with it?

nichtburningturtle OP ,
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I wanted to create an abomination, but it’s to old. I’ll have to “upgrade” to a newer machine.

itslilith , in [Help] How do I word my grant application to keep my software FOSS?
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That is probably something you should ask a lawyer for, not strangers on the Internet. But I think if you make the case that you already have a lot of the groundwork for the project published under GPL, you can massively reduce effort by using that, but that’ll mean the final project will be GPL licensed as well, most people would agree that’s a reasonable trade off. Just make sure it’s written somewhere, so they can’t pull a fast one on you

thevoidzero OP ,

Thank you. I’m a PhD student, so I do not have access to Lawyers that I can ask, and it probably will cost me money to get their opinion if I seek professional lawyers.

itslilith ,
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You could try emailing the FSF and explaining your situation. They constantly get into legal battles over licencing and care a whole lot about open source. Their opinion is certainly a lot more expert than what any of us can produce :D

the_strange ,

If your university has a law faculty they might offer limited legal advice from current students for free or a reduced fee.

delta_g ,

It’s worth double checking this, especially if your school has a law school.

When I was in school, we could gain access to unlimited legal council for a small semester-ly fee. Usually it was used for landlord disputes, but this is a great use case, too.

RmDebArc_5 , in Are there any distros that could run on a pentium 2?
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I’m running antix on a Pentium 2 with 512mb ram and it’s performing quite nicely

ILikeBoobies ,

This has 32mb

monobot , in Why Wayland adoption to have official support in programs is so slow?

It is still young and underdeveloped.

It is advertised to be simpler, but I don’t understand any of this words thrown in this thread. And I don’t care. Pulseaudio and pipewire is still making me troubles, even thou alsa worked without issues for me.

Point it, make it clear and stable and we will come. Until than we will use the beast we know. It os mich easier when there are no options, but Wayland is fighting something that exists and it takes time and effort.

Another problem is they pushed it to early and people got burned. Until I start seeing “I switched to Wayland in one command and everything works” I (as a user) will not touch it (unles my distro decides to drop X).

TCB13 , in Are there any distros that could run on a pentium 2?
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Frankly the power consumption of that thing x performance delivered will be just bad. Take for example this example, a more modern Pentium D vs a Pi:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/dcb84a52-21ba-4b4c-8ebb-07cf43273ada.png

If you don’t have any kind of attachment to the machine, just trash it, get a Pi or a second hand 8th Gen i5 HP Mini for around 80$ and enjoy. If you do have an attachment to the machine you may as well run some OS from the same era. winworldpc.com/library/operating-systems

nichtburningturtle OP ,
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I’m doing it for the memes

refalo ,

That’s interesting, I’ve never heard of anyone actually concerned about the power consumption of their PC before, but I guess it makes sense if you live somewhere that it’s quite expensive or just don’t have much money… or want to be greener I guess.

TCB13 ,
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I don’t live in a place with particularly high energy prices, but I’ve been reading about countless complaints about home labbers changing to new hardware because of that.

The thing is that, even if the power is cheap a Pi when you’re comparing a PII to a RPi 4 or a modern machine with a “T” CPU if you’ve the money to spend on the new thing you’ll way better, faster CPU, faster RAM, less noise, less power, more modern features, less software issues… at certain point it makes no sense to run that old hardware. Did you ever try to SSH into a Core Duo machine with a Ed25519 key? The CPU doesn’t have the modern crypto extensions making the login unbearably slow, similar happens with other SSL stuff.

atzanteol ,

Boooo.

namingthingsiseasy , in Has anyone achieved using their laptop as their only device?

I don’t have any suggestions, but this is incredibly impressive. I haven’t heard of jmp.chat before, but it sounds like you can create multiple identities using different phone numbers - is that correct?

If so, that sounds amazing. I really hate how the modern world is trying to force people into a singular identity online, and the way that they’re using phone numbers to do it. This sounds like it could be a pretty decent method to avoid that.

TCB13 , in 2GB Raspberry Pi 5 on sale now at $50
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The Pi is do damn overpriced.

For 80$ I can get an 8th gen HP Mini with 16 GB of RAM + 256 GB M.2., case, power brick, all cables and have a much more stable and powerful system.

EmilieEvans ,

If you want an new SBC: Intel N100 for as low as $60 with 4GB DDR5 RAM.

The raspberry pi isn’t a hobby/consumer product anymore. 2020 has shown that the Pi Foundation sees itself as an industry-first product. Also don’t forget that they went public a few months ago so who knows what will come out of this step.

Let’s face it: Intel driver support is great maybe even better than it is on a Raspberry Pi and proprietary is both hardware.

TCB13 ,
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That’s another good pick yeah. N350 stuff will also be interesting.

2020 has shown that the Pi Foundation sees itself as an industry-first product.

I think they never saw themselves as anything other than an industry-first product. The “hobbyist” market was just a way to develop, test and enter the mass market and gain critical mass in terms of FAB capacity and support / mind-share. IMHO their goal was always to go into the industry and disrupt some markets* but you can’t just get there without the scale. They just played an entire generation of hobbyist making them addicted to their product to grow it and test it for them.

Now that they’re public and partially owned by Broadcom it will just get worse.

The Pi Foundation kind of held the SBC market hostage to their ecosystem because software support is important and all the shinny Python libraries people are used to are typically only fully compatible, stable and tested with the Pi GPIO. With the RP2040 chip they make it so software/library compatibility is no longer a barrier to other CPU makers to enter the market - Intel or even Rockchip and Mediatek SBCs can include the RP2040 and gain instant software compatibility with any software library made for the Pi GPIO. Note that right now when RK releases an SBC it take a while for libraries to catch up with the GPIO definitions and whatnot.

I’m sure they aware of this risk, however, there’s a much bigger market opportunity there - the SPI / i2C / GPIO bridge market typically held by FTDI. When you want to make low level hardware communicate with computers, usually on USB ports, you’ll need some kind of hardware to handle the low level SPI / i2C / GPIO signals and convert them into something the CPU and the OS can understand, this is where FTDI has a big market share, even the Arduino uses a chip made by them for that.

The RP2040 can do this exact same task - it is what it does on the RPI 5 after all - and that’s a very big market. Almost every peripheral we connect to our computers is using one of those bridges to connect low level hardware such as microcontrollers to the computer or to simply toggle LEDs. Broadcom is now an investor of the Pi Foundation and they do a lot of hardware that does require those kinds of bridges… maybe they were the ones pushing the Pi guys into this direction because business wise it makes sense - they can test the reliability of those chips on the SBC market and once they’re sure they perform as good as FTDI ones they can use them everywhere for a fraction of the cost.

Let’s see who gains more from the RP2040, the Pi guys obliterating FTDI or Intel and others taking chunks of the SBC market.

There’s already a couple of examples of what I’m saying here:

myersguy ,

Where can you find an N100 for $60 with 4GB of memory?

EDIT: Nvm, found the comment replying to this mentioning Radxa boards. Just found them the other day. Very interested.

Mikelius ,

Glad I looked at this thread. The fact they’re cheap and have what sound like reliable PoE hats… Tempted to replace a few old Pis lol. Maybe. But can at least say no future devices will be Pis at this point.

Note: only using them for simple things. Wireguard VPN (no I don’t have a fast internet so I don’t need more than the 1gb connection speed), pi hole, and a touch panel I installed that connects to home assistant on the wall.

billwashere , in Are there any distros that could run on a pentium 2?

Is nobody gonna ask?!? Why do you have a pentium 2? I like old hardware as much or more than the next guy but man that’s old. And this from a guy who has a working Commodore 64 🤣

nichtburningturtle OP ,
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Some time ago I scalvanged some old hardware my old school was gonna throw out.

billwashere ,

Oh I get it. I hate to see hardware that could be useful being thrown out. Hence the reason I have stacks of 1TB hard drives with no real use.

I have a long term goal of running my home automation system on that commodore for no other reason than it’s weird. So I get it.

refalo ,

retro enthusiast community has been growing a lot in recent years, especially with youtube channels like 8-bit guy, LGR, MVG and such

billwashere ,

I mean I guess. Just in my opinion a Pentium 2 is too new to be old and too old to be new. Something like 386 or a Coco2, that’s cool.

I deal with a lot of old hardware in my lab but sometimes it’s just too much trouble. But whatever floats your boat. Last thing I’ll be is judgey about what brings you happiness. I mean I’m currently playing with Proxmox on a 2013 Mac Pro because I think it’s fun. And some people (cough …cough… my wife) wonder why 🤣

LeFantome ,

I run Proxmox on a 2103 trashcan. It is awesome.

billwashere ,

Where did you get a trashcan from 2103 you time traveler you… I want one.

msmc101 ,

throwing Linux on ancient hardware is a time honored tradition

atzanteol ,

I never even thought to ask “why”…

deltapi ,

I’ve got a 500mhz Celeron from the P3 days, it runs OS/2 and has an ISA EPROM burner card in it.

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