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potajito , in Am I overthinking it?

Vpns are the things that make more sense to layer. It’s fine, have fun with bazzite

737 , in LibreWolf or Mullvad Browser? Thoughts, comments, concerns?

I use Firefox since all distros package it.

Duke_Nukem_1990 , in Official Unixporn Community ?

What do you think federation means?

gpstarman OP ,

I thought it will be like various communities will be on various instances and lemmy connects them, not a single community scattered across multiple instances.

bjoern_tantau ,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Honestly, it’s no different from multiple subreddits about the same topic. This problem isn’t unique to Lemmy.

gpstarman OP ,

Yeah, but just because this problem exists on reddit, it doen’t mean we have inherit those bad traits from reddit, right?

But, In the end there is nothing stops people from creating communites. So, Yeah.

Ephera , in Official Unixporn Community ?

Yeah, it’s federated, meaning you can subscribe to each of them and post to whichever one you fancy. If you want to post to multiple, it’s a good idea to use the cross-post feature.

Having only one singular official community would be rather bad, as then the respective server owners and moderators would have central control like on Reddit.

gpstarman OP ,

But won’t it be a good thing to create another community after an already existing community gone bad instead having multiple at the same time?

Also won’t there will be an fragmentation of users issue? Won’t it lead to not a single community grows big because it’s users are scattered across different instances?

Fisch ,
@Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

It’s not like you can stop people from creating the same community again. Just join the one with the most active users. It’s also not like this isn’t happening on Reddit too, the subreddits there just have slightly different names instead of the same one on a different instance.

gpstarman OP ,

Thnak You.

Ephera ,

I mean, these communities do get created when someone feels like there’s a reason to. There’s just no council or whatever regulating when and where a community gets to be created, so any user on any instance can decide to open up and promote their community.

And frankly, I have no idea what the precise effects are. When you subscribe to all of these, it won’t really be much different from just one big community in that sense. It may mean, though, that someone new accidentally joining only one of the communities will not be presented all the content they want, yeah.

On the flip side, having it split is kind of cool, because you can decide to only subscribe to 2 out of 4 communities, if you only want half as much of this content in your feed. Or you can decide to subscribe to all of these, but not to the one on angry-instance.net, because you don’t like the tone of the discussions in that one.

gpstarman OP ,

It is what it is.🙂‍↕️

cerement ,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

Also won’t there will be an fragmentation of users issue?

when you can follow, subscribe to, post to, or comment on any community on any instance, there’s no fragmentation

when followers know there are plenty of options, it also prevents any single community from becoming too big or overbearing – and since the instances are all privately owned, the only thing you gain by growing your community bigger than everyone else is increased server load

gpstarman OP ,

when you can follow, subscribe to, post to, or comment on any community on any instance, there’s no fragmentation

I’m not talking about fragmentation on instances but on the communities.

If there are 5 Unixporn on different instances, I have to make 5 crossposts and the engagement I’m gonna get is fragmented.

If there is only one unixporn, only one post and I get more opinions of people in a collective manner and also more people will interact with each other, which lead to more refined solution.

But Whatever, It is what it is.

juliebean ,

imagine if they had waited to invent lemmy until after reddit had shat the bed with the whole API fiasco. it’s better to have a backup ready to go.

gpstarman OP ,

I’m not saying don’t create lemmy community when subreddit exist.

I’m saying don’t create lemmy community when another lemmy community for the same purpose already exists on different instance without a good reason.

555_1 , in Linux back at 4.04% on the Desktop. Windows went below 73%

Can we commit to only posting about round number percent changes?

possiblylinux127 ,

No, we will not stop

555_1 ,

4.040000000000000000000001!

possiblylinux127 ,

We could contact that person as a community

xthexder , (edited )
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

Based on a world population of 8 billion, that would be roughly 0.000000000000008% of a person. It’s also not even representable as a 64 bit float so I had to do this math in my head (Calculator just says 0)

Buddahriffic ,

So you’re saying that that number keeps going up as I get closer and closer to the actual weekend when I install it as my daily driver?

olafurp ,

No, we have to post these when it’s the year of the Linux desktop

mesamunefire ,

What’s interesting is that multiple trackers are now saying it’s above 4 percent. Last time something was posted, people questioned the data and where they got their data (which they should). Now there’s multiple sites showing a real increase.

cy_narrator , in Am I overthinking it?

My advice is to stick to a popular and well known general purpose distro. Even though I have never tried Pop os myself I would recommend it over that Brazzite thing (which has a very similar name to that one very popular video streaming site if you know) because I have heard good things about Pop os.

Telorand OP ,

Not Brazzite, “Bazzite.” It’s a mineral, and its naming proximity to an adult website is entirely coincidental (and I would hazard a guess that the mineral was named first).

Honestly, I’m not that concerned with Bazzite being newer, because it’s based on Fedora CoreOS. It utilizes rpm-ostree to manage system upgrades, so for any bad updates, you just rollback to any previous deployments (and you can pin specific ones so you are guaranteed a stable rollback point). Additionally, you can rebase at any time, so you can swap out the system layer for another ostree-based image without touching any of your files in /etc, /var, and /home.

Pop!_OS is a great choice, too, but the biggest problem facing the family of Universal Blue distros isn’t notoriety, it’s the fact that Fedora Atomics in general are still relatively new. The examples are still being written, and people are getting used to new tooling.

But if you don’t need specific customizations like me, and all your software can be found as appimages or flatpaks (or is already installed), Aurora, Bluefin, and Bazzite are all rock-solid choices that will “just work.”

dino , (edited ) in LibreWolf or Mullvad Browser? Thoughts, comments, concerns?

Firefox + Arkenfox … :P Using Mullvad as a backup before having to use chromium for any dirty stuff. Librewolf seems to be like a good recommendation for non-technical people. Although I am not sure which browser has less breakage Mullvad or Libre.

tisktisk , in Linux back at 4.04% on the Desktop. Windows went below 73%

Question: Why is BSD so low? (And why/what is unknown?)

mostlikelyaperson ,

Because it’s not overly popular as a desktop os, you are far more likely to see it in certain appliances and server applications etc, none of which will show up in a pagevisits based statistic.

Cube6392 ,

Less hardware support than Linux without enough substantially better about it to make it anyone’s clear preference. Which isn’t to say it doesn’t have advantages over Linux. Just that the average BSD user is going to be able to easily swallow their pride and run Linux if things went wrong with a BSD install (trust me, I’ve literally done this, these people do exist)

OneRedFox ,
@OneRedFox@beehaw.org avatar

The BSDs got screwed over by a lawsuit in the 90s that made a lot of people hesitant to use them (coincidentally leading to the creation of the Linux kernel). Inertia carried it from there and Linux ended up getting more hardware and software support, which is the primary reason that people pick Linux over the BSDs now.

istanbullu ,

There really isn’t a compelling argument for BSD other than interest and hobby. It doesn’t have the industrial use case Linux has.

lunachocken , in Linux back at 4.04% on the Desktop. Windows went below 73%

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baronvonj , in Official Unixporn Community ?
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

This feels relevant

An XKCD comic where two developers lament the existence of 14 competing standards. They propose creating an ultimate standard. There are now 15 competing standards.

Sometimes the mods of overlapping communities will discuss merging, usually initiated when one of them notices there is little engagement in their own. But the general consensus in the Lemmy admin/mod population is that having overlapping communities on different instances is a net benefit.

Blaze , in Official Unixporn Community ?

The kbin.social for sure is dead, that instance has been down for a few weeks now.

Between the three remaining one, the lemmy.ml is obviously the most active.

gpstarman OP ,

Thank You.

dino , in Ladybird announcement

For sure going to use a webbrowser from some random programmers/organizations.

olafurp , in Linux back at 4.04% on the Desktop. Windows went below 73%

THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP

crispy_kilt ,

Now you jinxed it

olafurp ,

People have jinxed it 20 years in a row

oo1 ,

the year of the unknown desktop!

Nisaea , in TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 15 - Gen9 - AMD
@Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Have a tuxedo machine with TuxedoOS at work. I needed an NVIDIA card for cuda so I had a few kinks to iron out (NVIDIA I stg…) but the tuxedo customer support was here with me through it all, treated me with respect at all times and forwarded all issues to NVIDIA immediately, and they got fixed soon after. Solid team, sleek machines, nice distro.

Sterben OP ,
@Sterben@lemmy.ml avatar

Thank you for your solid feedback! 😊

Nisaea ,
@Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Any time! Can’t say much about the robustness if the hardware though, as I tend to take stupidly good care of my machines.

Sterben OP ,
@Sterben@lemmy.ml avatar

I am the same, I normally take care of my laptop and smartphones.

Dark_Dragon , in Linux back at 4.04% on the Desktop. Windows went below 73%

The youtuber matt from thelinuxcast sucks.

I am regular user, i don’t code for living and my job is not tech related. I wanted to try linux and many of you guys supported and now I’m using Linux since 2 weeks its linux mint. That matt guy was so against linux mint that i thought it was shit too. But when i installed and started using it. It has been a smooth journey. Many people in linux community were helpful. But people like matt really make it for us regular guys scared to use linux. I really hope many good linux user help regular people switch to linux and increase this number.

Synnr ,

I assume the problem is hardware. Matt’s hardware didn’t work well with LM, therefore Matt thinks LM sucks… I do wish there was better hardware support but it’s the reason apple went with 1 product = 1 OS = 1 general set of hardware. Sure not every iPhone has the same hardware, but that’s why they have the model numbers, and it’s so much easier to test 200 model mixes than 2,000,000 (Android). Windows gets all the debug info sent directly to them like the others but they also have a huge stack of hardware they can use or they can buy it to test.

laurelraven ,

Did Matt try putting the regular build on a newish machine? That’s what I did with my current and was struggling until I put the latest kernel on it, should have gone with Edge, but had little trouble after)

SimplyTadpole ,
@SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I get what you mean. I see a decent chunk of often more tech-proficient Linux users putting down Linux Mint, and it saddens me because even though I don’t use Mint anymore, it was still the first distro I properly daily-drove and I still consider it an amazing system for people who are new to Linux.

I’m very glad you’ve been having a good experience with Mint!

laurelraven ,

I don’t get them putting Mint down either, and I’ve built multiple Gentoo systems… I don’t need an easy distro but still use Mint and like it for what it brings (basically, it’s Green Ubuntu, what Ubuntu was supposed to be before they lost their way)

azvasKvklenko ,

Mint is great and is absolutely enough for most people using computers, still as of now. It comes with its limitations though:

  • By default it runs pretty old kernel. This is fine if your hardware is at least 3 years old. It allows to easily switch to newer kernel with just few clicks, but I expect newbies to not be aware of this at all. Oh, and I don’t know if it offers some custom kernels like tkg etc, which some might want to squeeze best gaming perf etc.
  • Cinnamon is still limited to X11. If you have multi-screen setup, VRR, mixed refresh, mixed DPI etc, it’s better to switch to Wayland. Plus, Xorg server gets less and less maintenance and development. All the innovation moved to Wayland, so the experience on X will remain pretty stale.
  • The Ubuntu base makes it so that for 3rd party software you either need deb packages or PPAs. Some will argue (me included) that it’s not the best solution

All of the above can easily be irrelevant to you and Mint is just perfect for what you need. It’s important to point out limitations of that choice, but crapping on it because you don’t like it is just pointless fuss

laurelraven ,

On your last point, there’s also Flatpak which is available right from the baked in software center… That’s not without its issues too, but they’ve been an overall smooth experience for me so far

azvasKvklenko ,

Yes, Flatpak fixed a lot of the old shenanigans we used to have when everything was either native package, or a binary to hope for the best and install libraries manually, or source code to collect everything that’s needed for building and again, hope for the best. It is however designed to provide a way to install graphical apps, but can’t handle everything native package does (like out-of-tree kernel modules, CLI utils, system services)

laurelraven ,

I believe it can do CLI, but that’s not always been the case and not a lot of CLI apps adopted it as a result

But for most of what the typical user, or even a lot of what a technical user, needs, it does a good job

polle ,

Do you have an recommendation for a distro? I wanted to use mint, but i probably need wayland for a multiscreen setup with different scalings.

Revan343 ,

Mint should have Waylant support if you don’t use Cinnamon; I know Xfce has Wayland support (though I don’t use it, they can pry X11 from my cold dead hands)

azvasKvklenko ,

Neither Cinnamon, XFCE or Mate have stable Wayland support. You need GNOME or Plasma for that if you want a desktop (or wait for the new Cosmic desktop and new PopOS)

polle ,

atm Mint only has experimental wayland support, i tried it an got instant graphical issues on the desktop. :(

azvasKvklenko ,

Well, if your GPU is NVIDIA, you will also need a bleeding edge rolling release distro for now. Other than that, anything that ships recent version of KDE Plasma or GNOME (the first one handles Xwayland with DPI scaling a bit better imo and is generally more functional)

Garuda (Arch-based distro) is worth looking at, but has a ton of UI customization that I personally don’t like and, same as with Manjaro, I’d spend some time on cleaning it up to more vanilla state.

Endeavour is cool option as well, but other than GUI installer, it provides you with Arch base and is purely terminal-centric.

OpenSuse Tumbleweed - personally never liked RPM based distros, and Zypper (the package manager) is pretty slow, but the distro itself is beloved for being great balance between bleeding edge and stability and set of GUI tools for system management.

Fedora (defaults to GNOME but has decent KDE spin) is great option for a workstation, but it has couple of advanced configurations that not everyone needs (like SELinux getting in your way sometimes) and because it’s very concerned about licensing, you might need to manually add extra video encoding/decoding drivers and media codecs with royalties.

Nobara is modification of Fedora that comes pre-packed with gaming related stuff. It’s pretty cool, but in my experience it tends to ship experimental packages with regressions.

Last but not least, if you’re patient enough to read through some documentation and follow guides step by step, can invest some time and want to learn, go with Arch Linux. The ISO ships now with text-based archinstall installer that guides you through basic install and brings fairly functional Linux system out-of-box EASY, but still pretty bare bones without any assumptions on what you’re going to use it for and how. Everything that you need (like gaming, bluetooth, printing, file sharing…) has its Wiki pages with thorough explanation in form of step-by-step guide. It’s all about installing packages and changing config files, it’s not doing anything automatically for you.

blind3rdeye ,

Well, if your GPU is NVIDIA, you will also need a bleeding edge rolling release distro for now. Other than that, anything that ships recent version of KDE Plasma or GNOME (the first one handles Xwayland with DPI scaling a bit better imo and is generally more functional)

I keep hearing people say this. But I’ve got an nvidia card, and I just went with the default Mint Cinnamon install and I’ve had no problems whatsoever. I guess maybe my card isn’t new enough to run into whatever problems other people are talking about.

… Actually, there is one minor annoyance. I get lots of nvidia flatpak updates; and they are large downloads. I’d prefer not to be downloading gigabytes of graphics card updates every week. But other flatpaks demand that I have the latest nvidia stuff, so … I guess that is an nvidia annoyance that I experience. I don’t expect that to be fixed by a bleeding edge distro though!

azvasKvklenko , (edited )

Because it always worked on X11 and Mint Cinnamon is just that. I used NVIDIA graphics on X11 in 2007 and, apart from the extra dkms driver that could break at times, it was fine, and much better anyway than ATI/AMD with proprietary fglrx driver. Rest in piss son of a bitch.

The question was what would I recommend for Wayland. Only the brand new 555 driver combined with most recent compositors (and other packages like mesa, xwayland,…) offers decent NVIDIA experience. It’s a matter of new distro releases around this fall.

azvasKvklenko ,

Yeah, Flatpak installing user-space driver for itself is unfortunately not solvable until there’s open source driver that is part of the Mesa project. Every time you update the driver in your system, Flatpak must update its nvidia-utils too, because their versions must match exactly. For Mesa drivers, Flatpak also installs the drivers as Flatpak, but they’re compatible back and forth and it only updates when it ships new version.

The cleanup should be more automatic, but try


<span style="color:#323232;">flatpak uninstall --unused
</span>
jimmy90 ,

ubuntu

dustyData ,

Cinnamon can run Wayland in experimental mode. It’s just an extra click during login. Mint also has direct support for flatpaks repositories, with flathub by default directly on the software center.

azvasKvklenko ,

Any experience you can share on how complete and stable is that experimental session? I probably wouldn’t throw newbie on that

dustyData ,

There’s a bug where flatpaks seemingly disappear from the system the first time you run Wayland. But it resolves with a reboot. It happens too if you change back from Wayland to X11. Other than some minor glitches from very old software that hasn’t seen an update in decades, it runs perfectly fine.

LeFantome ,

This is an interesting post. I know the YouTuber you are talking about. I do not really like him but I would have considered him harmless. It is interesting to get your take.

Mint is great and quite popular. So, if you are going to make a YouTube video saying otherwise, I guess you have to go out of your way to come up with reasons why. I am sure that makes it sound worse than it is. Something to think about.

I have distro preferences too but most of the differences really only make a difference to those already using Linux. It is a bit like arguing about Ford vs Chevy in front of people that have never seen a car ( or truck ). In the grand scheme, they are both amazing and mostly the same thing. To listen to a fan though, one is God’s gift and the other is trash. Same with Linux distros.

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