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elmicha , in It is possible for a program to drop support in a specific version of a distribution? Comparing Windows 7 and Ubuntu 7.10

A .deb relies on other packages, so a modern Firefox package will not be installable on an ancient OS. With Ubuntu Pro, Ubuntu 16.04 will still get updates until 2026, so I think you would get Firefox from Ubuntu until then. But there’s no chance you would get a modern Firefox for 7.10 or 8.04.

Maybe you should ask yourself why you would like to cling to an ancient version of Linux. You don’t like the new desktop or anything else that comes with the new version? Then you can install another desktop or another distribution.

h3ndrik , (edited )

Yeah. You can forget the .deb packages. They need dependencies and c libraries and stuff. After 2-5 years it becomes difficult and then impossible to install. You might be better off with some package format like flatpak. Or maybe better yet: the plain executable. probably with statically linked libraries. I think that should work for quite a while.

There are programs out there that come in a single executable file without requirements. they’re supposed to run from an usb stick and without installation. I think you should try those. they should be pretty self contained.

Other than that… I second the question. Why do you want something like an ancient operating system combined with a brand new browser? The OS will have hundreds of security issues. And in case someone does something like plug in a recent usb stick to save some files, it won’t recognize the format because exfat or something wasn’t yet invented in 2007.

erock , in Integrating VSCode and Distrobox

I don’t use vscode so I can’t help too much beyond saying Distrobox is awesome and I’ve been using it for my headless dev machine for a few months and won’t go back to anything else.

warmaster ,

What do you use it for?

Auzy , in Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote DEBs (Apparently)

Honestly not sure why it matters, provided the store is full. Both are similar to end users

nani8ot ,

Agreed. I would have like Ubuntu to come with flatpak, but snap exists for longer than flatpak and has additional use cases. Snap allows to do app packaging and even the rest of the system. Fedora uses rpm-ostree + flatpak instead.

ganjalf , in What screen locker do you use and why?

slock. i don’t really use anything else from the suckless people, but i like how minimal slock is

mindfive , in It is possible for a program to drop support in a specific version of a distribution? Comparing Windows 7 and Ubuntu 7.10

Discontinue and drop support mean different things. Runtime requirements and APIs can change in any update, even if they appear the same to users. Dropping support can be read as “you can try to make it work, but we guarantee nothing”.

The degree of success you have in coercing the package to run anyways will depend on which APIs are required, and if you can install them in your system. Windows 7 and 10 look similar, but the windows kernel has changed quite a bit between them. If it needs system access it can get hard, where if it’s dotnet or Java you just need the right runtime

nik282000 ,
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Stupid Java, runs (slowly) on everything.

TheMonkeyLord , in Share your favorite Linux Desktop Environment
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XFCE, while it doesn’t have all the fancy animations and such it is incredibly customizable while still being super light weight.

ReverseModule , in Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote DEBs (Apparently)
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Ubuntu and Snaps are the cancer of the Linux world. :)

thatsnothowyoudoit ,
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Snaps I get, but Ubuntu? Aside from an asinine application process to get hired a Canonical, they did a lot to push for a more straightforward Linux desktop experience. Their time has passed, but cancer is a bit too much for me, considering all the fantastic offshoots.

Context: I came to Ubuntu from Gentoo. Debian before that and a brief flirt with the hot fantastic mess that was Mandrake when I first discovered Linux.

nous ,

Snaps is just the latest controversial tech they haved pushed for. They have a long history of pushing for things they have created that people don’t want or don’t want their implementation of (like upstart or the original unity desktop env). Or pushing for stuff before it is ready (like pulseaudio).

Nothing wrong with pushing for your own tech, but they do seem to miss the mark a lot on what they want to introduce. And keep upsetting the community over it.

knewe ,

There is a problem with pushing tech if that tech is proprietary — such as with Snaps.

Unity I don’t think was ever that controversial, except that Ubuntu was sending all desktop search queries to Amazon at one point, which was, of course, terrible privacy-wise. The reason why Unity died is because Ubuntu decided it’s not worth the money to maintain it.

nous ,

There was a lot of community backlash when they first released unity as its own thing. Lots of people hated it because it was very different from what came before. That is what made it controversial.

maengooen , in Share your favorite Linux Desktop Environment

i3 counts, right? I have always been a keyboard oriented user and a big part of what drove me from Windows is them breaking or changing the hotkeys I used regularly. To me it is the perfect “you have control, this is your device, it works and looks how you want.” wm

potpie , in What screen locker do you use and why?

Where I work just switching into a TTY would be enough to keep anyone out.

StrangeAstronomer , in What screen locker do you use and why?

gtklock for sway/wayland

fictitiousexistence ,

I tried gtklock for a hot second. Then uninstalled as it does not support ext-session-lock-v1

…oxymagnesium.com/…/gtklock_gtkbased_lockscreen_f…

github.com/jovanlanik/gtklock/issues/53

isaacfreund.com/blog/2022-02/

Grass , in What screen locker do you use and why?

There was one I used to use that just made the screen black and had no visuals to indicate typing or anything working. Typing the correct password and hitting enter would unlock. I think there was some thing about it not being secure after some shift in typical Linux distro defaults and now I just use the default kde locker because lazy

Andy , in Stable Linux distro with up to date packages
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If you like Plasma or one of the other supported desktops, I suggest trying Siduction for this.

I’m also generally impressed by the packages available for Alpine Edge, if you’re not bothered by a non systemd and non glibc distro.

chickenwing , in Wayland is pretty good, actually

I didn’t have an opinion on this until I tried to disable right click on a ubuntu machine with Wayland. It needs an xmodmap style tool.

Fisch ,
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That’s not a common thing people do tho

chickenwing ,

True but it’s something that can easily be done in xorg because it has almost 20 years worth of tools created for it.

Fisch ,
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True. But Wayland will get there too, it just takes time.

Gatsby ,

Yeah but by that time people will be posting ‘relationship ended with Wayland, (next thing) is my new best friend.’

eyolf , in Stable Linux distro with up to date packages

I didn’t think I would ever say this, but: arch isn’t always the answer. True: the last time the entire system broke on me was in 2006’ish, but I can’t count the times certain apps have stopped working or some python upgrade messes up things. Sure: that’s the price of rolling release and AUR, and I wouldn’t be without it, but it’s a thing one has to learn to live with, and a thing that makes ‘arch’ the wrong answer to this particular question.

A7thStone , in Share your favorite Linux Desktop Environment

Vanilla Gnome Shell. I know it’s heresy, but I’ve been using it since beta and I actually enjoy the work flow.

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