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kibiz0r , in Those books are different from how I remembered…

And yet I can speak about my consciousness, and therefore deliver information to you based on an experience which can’t be physically observed or quantified.

Perhaps the universe is naught but a comforting illusion.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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You could be a Boltzmann Brain.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

Of course, from my perspective, I would be the Boltzmann brain and you would be my dream.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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deliver information to you based on an experience which can’t be physically observed or quantified

I’m not sure if “Black Box of electro-chemistry” is necessarily the same as “Non-determinism”.

That said, we contain the ability to observe and react to our surroundings which causes a large and complex web of interactions that aren’t trivial to map or anticipate.

That unpredictablity is what we ultimately define as freedom.

kibiz0r ,

Yeah, I was curious if anyone would catch that. My comment doesn’t necessarily ensure free will, it just rejects a physicalist model of reality as a basis for determinism. You can have neutral monism and still have determinism.

I was just trying to embrace the spirit of shitposting idealist takes in response to shitty physicalist takes. 🤭

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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I was just trying to embrace the spirit of shitposting

🫡

In that case, carry on.

brrt ,

That said, we contain the ability to observe and react to our surroundings which causes a large and complex web of interactions that aren’t trivial to map or anticipate.

That unpredictablity is what we ultimately define as freedom.

How does higher uncertainty of my choices achieving what I strive for raise the perception of freedom of said choice?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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higher uncertainty of my choices achieving what I strive for

More higher uncertainty of an outside observer predicting the choices you will make.

The inability to anticipate another person’s actions suggests they may have internal agency. Compared to say, a rock, which you can shove and confidently predict where it will stop moving, a human is far more difficult to judge.

brrt ,

I don’t understand what you are getting at. You are either saying that you can predict where a fly is going to go when you set it free or you are saying that a fly has internal agency.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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You are either saying that you can predict where a fly is going to go when you set it free or you are saying that a fly has internal agency.

If the fly lacks agency, you would be able to predict its movement given a sufficiently accurate set of information.

If it has agency, you could not.

brrt ,

You missed the point while drawing your circular argument.

Take what you said and replace fly with human. Wait here I’ll do it for you:

If a human lacks agency, you would be able to predict its movement given a sufficiently accurate set of information.

If it has agency, you could not.

Now tell me how you will acquire a sufficiently accurate set of information about a human and its environment to test your hypothesis.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Now tell me how you will acquire a sufficiently accurate set of information about a human and its environment to test your hypothesis.

You can’t. That’s a significant problem of identifying the existence or absence of “Free Will”.

Someonelol , in 'Murica 🇺🇲🍕🦅
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I hope blinding everyone behind him with all that smoke was worth it. What an asshole.

JimVanDeventer , (edited ) in Dutch toilets

Pedophiles in the olympics, our strange toilets with the “poop shelf”; I just can’t win today.

Edit: it’s so you can inspect it. How is everyone else inspecting their poo?

VonReposti ,

I think for most people it’s kinda a shit n forget situation. As soon as I have dropped the load I want to disown it and forget it faster than you can say “shit”. You know just like pa did it.

ILikeBoobies , in Dutch toilets

American toilets gave me culture shock

They’re so shallow that you can’t even sit down without your balls touching the bowl or the water

ikidd ,
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I think you might want to get your balls looked at.

zalgotext ,

Which will be easy to do, considering they’re dangling out of his pant legs

LouNeko ,

We all do.

menemen , (edited )
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I hated them, they made me anxious. But much worse were the low stall walls. Why america, why? When I take a shit I want a wall that actually serves the purpose of not having people see me taking a shit.

On another note, the Dutch style toilets were very common in Germany up until the 90s. Rare nowadays. I think they are actually superior. You see it, if you have a problem with your shit and even the largest shit doesn’t splash water all over your intimate parts. On the other hand, you have to protect your balls from the large shit, when it goes “timber”.

Zink ,

I’ve always known that our stall walls in the US were shit, but then I visited Sweden and saw how truly horrible we were.

Over there, there are no men’s rooms or women’s rooms. There are just several doors each to a private bathroom and so it doesn’t matter who uses which one.

I’m sure our “single room with flimsy stall dividers” design is the cheapest, plus it’s not as convenient for all the drug addicts and homeless people our society creates, so it will never change.

JJROKCZ , in 'Murica 🇺🇲🍕🦅

That would be pretty fucking sick… if it was done on a closed course like an old airstrip or a closed highway for filming… not an active interstate…

PeriodicallyPedantic , in This is so freaking funny to me. I love Lemmy

Dude says it like that’s not the origin of 90% of memes.

01189998819991197253 , in LinkedIn
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No way this is real.

Is… is it?

Noodle07 ,

It’s ragebait

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Read the first sentence of the comment.

TheMinions ,

It’s technically a strawman argument.

tetris11 ,
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I’ve seen sadly similar stories spouted…

stooth64 , in 'Murica 🇺🇲🍕🦅

Chicago mentioned

Sendpicsofsandwiches , in My lord. My lady...
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BOA TARDE

aviation_hydrated , in Those books are different from how I remembered…

Source?

FlyingSquid OP ,
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The deterministic universe may one day force you to visit your local library.

rudyharrelson , in Those books are different from how I remembered…
UmeU , in Dutch toilets
Vittelius , in language barrier
samus12345 , in Dutch toilets
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They had these in Germany, too. If you took a particularly massive shit sometimes the water pressure wasn’t enough to shove it into the hole.

bitchkat ,

I already commented about a poop knife so I won’t repeat it here.

samus12345 ,
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Fortunately there was always plunger handy for pushing, so no chopping was needed.

hellfire103 , in Those books are different from how I remembered…

*turns to page 60 like a boss

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