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Skkorm ,

I dunno man. My neighbor is a big ass boi and his wife is a smoke show.

Maybe try getting a personality

MacNCheezus ,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

Alternatively, having a lot of money also works.

graeghos_714 ,

For me to drop from my high of 205 back to a working weight under 180 it took lots of travel for work where I was away from my munchies for 3 to 4 weeks. The first time I got down to 185 in Brazil and then a trip to India got me down to about 170. I quit drinking soda pop, and started eating more fiber and no sugar for breakfast other than the raisins and dates in my muesli and quit eating bagels for breakfast as much. A T-bone accident on my motorcycle 18 months ago left me with a bad leg/foot so I’m a lot less active and loss a lot of muscle weight. I’m down to 155 now. I was 145 when I got out of the Marines 40 years ago

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Losing 25 pounds is vastly different then having to lose 150 pounds.

graeghos_714 ,

Absolutely, and 25lbs is half of the 50lbs I lost in 3 years. I’ve never dieted, I just changed the way I eat to get to my healthy weight

MilitantVegan ,

Technically this is true, but in practice strict calorie deficit diets don’t work for most people. To be in a calorie deficit state is a state of starvation, and most people’s entire biological drives rail against it. What usually happens with these kinds of diets is the person will do well for a time, but the constant starving will drive them to either start unconsciously sneaking in more sources of calories, or they’ll outright rebound into eating even more than they did before.

Sustainable weight loss ultimately comes down to living healthy by default.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventist_Health_Studies

thankful2plants.com/…/21-tweaks-by-dr-greger/

nutritionfacts.org/book/how-not-to-diet/

PenisWenisGenius , (edited )

The problem with losing weight the healthy way is this. Go look up how many calories you burn per hour on various types of exercise. Now look at how much calories different food has. That’s a lot of time you have to give up just for exercise. I have a hard time justifying eating lunch for example if I’m going to have to exercise for 2 hours to burn that off. I don’t doubt there are all kinds of good reasons to not attempt to lose weight via restricting food intake but at least it’s passive and it does sometimes work for some people.

Reddfugee42 ,

This. It’s an absolute joke to lose weight through exercise. “But you can’t sustain deficit forever” well duh I never said I want to disappear. Lose the weight, then learn a new maintenance normal.

WoW ,

If you burn calories (exercise), and eat the same calories as before, you are in a calorie deficit. (The same as if you just eaten less).

If you eat exactly as much calories as you need to you can tecnically transform fat to muscles, but its really hard and you need to almost count every nutrient.

Most ppl reduce it too much and risk a rebound. Just eat 50/100 calories less than your daily burn rate and you are on the way. (It’s not really fast, but steady)

RampantParanoia2365 ,

Yes. People who just cut out anything “bad” are suckers. But exercise certainly helps, too, and gives you some leeway.

XPost3000 ,

Literally did this last year and lost like 50 lbs doing nothing and being lazier

Felt like an exploit

nutsack ,

you should eat better food though. you will feel better

psud ,

I envy the people who can diet by just eating less. That for me is a path to intolerable hunger

Only limiting carbohydrates has worked for me, and I had to increase my meat intake just to ensure I have enough nutrition, with the little you want to eat on low carb

SOB_Van_Owen ,

I could never sustain a restriction like this without modifying what I ate. It would have a profound effect of how soon and how much I was compelled to eat next. Once this was very clear to me after dozens of attempts at weight loss, I began to cook and eat for satiety. A low-glycemic, minimally processed diet free of added sugar is what worked best for me long-term. I lost 115 lbs, resolved diabetes, hypertension and non alcoholic fatty liver disease. Also vastly improved some other chronic problems. I’ve remained at a healthy weight now for 23 years with little variation. A lot of effort really and likely not possible for everyone -especially now. I can say it was worthwhile for me.

The steely resolve of CICO will only take a person so far. In my view that’s why it’s so unsustainable for most.

considine ,

Why do you think it is especially difficult to follow this diet now? I keep trying to implement it myself but find the high effort required difficult to sustain, given other demands on my attention and will power.

SOB_Van_Owen ,

Do you mean a general calorie restriction to lose weight or compositional change in diet to maximize satiety? Either is difficult without a strong impetus. For me the latter is far easier than the former. It seems to me that both are made a lot more difficult now than 24 years ago by the level of distraction and focus disrupting technologies we have to use on the daily. Not to mention economic material conditions are broadly worse for most people than they were two decades ago. Folks seem more harried and stressed with less discretionary time. Additionally, to my eye, food culture is getting worse. What is regarded as staple food is junkier and seemingly designed to circumvent the “fixed stomach problem”.

I hit a wall with my health and felt I could either break my problem into manageable pieces I could maybe find a way to live with and possibly enjoy sustainably, or else suffer a declining quality of life that was already unacceptable. At that point it was worth it for me to do all kinds of trial and error about what worked personally. And it still is. I have no super willpower. Just an understanding of what is at stake. And a willingness to sorta game my drives.

considine ,

Thanks for your thoughtful answer. I agree that so much is at stake with diet. It all changed for me when I hit 40. I’m going to have to think about the manageable pieces of diet you mentioned. That appeals to me as practical.

nutsack ,

I replaced meat with a protein shake

psud ,

I don’t think a protein shake will have the nutrients actual meat has though. It’s really hard to get the nutrition you need on a serious weight loss diet and any food substitute isn’t going to cut it. To add, I’m over 40 with a history of dieting (I have tried all them), so I doubt I started this with full reserves of a well fed 20 year old

nutsack ,

this is correct I would recommend eating more than just a protein shake everyday

MilitantVegan ,

Low carb diets have been consistently shown to only cause short-term weight loss, followed by even greater weight gain if the person even bothers to adhere to the diet long term in the first place. This is in addition to the fact that low carb diets lead to a lower lifespan.

Calories per 1 gram of macros- Carbs: 4 Protein: 4 Fat: 9

www.pcrm.org/…/the-carbohydrate-advantage

psud ,

Indeed. Atkins made me thin, then fat again. I think the problem was that it was too easy to eat too little, making it hard to stick to long term

More meat has fixed that for me. I have been successfully losing fat over the last two years just by making what I eat mostly meat

psud ,

Also, what does it matter that there’s more energy per gram of fat versus carrots? Your body knows when it has enough energy* and you stop being hungry. Consider 19th century explorers eating pemmican (made of 50/50 fat and dried meat - they avoided the versions with berries and sugar) they would eat tiny amounts - less than the meat in a McDonald’s cheeseburger as a days food, despite the fact it hardly filled their stomachs

*Though on high carb your body will say it wants more all of it, since carbs are only available briefly in summer in history so you want to eat as much as you can. As a bonus, carbs from plants are half fructose and the fructose is turned to fat directly. You want to save some summer energy for winter

MilitantVegan ,

I don’t even know where to begin unraveling this bad take. You should at least start by reading an intro to nutrition book or something, sounds like you’ve been drinking a lot of unscientific koolaid.

kemsat ,

I think it’s that he had 150 lbs to lose. If he’d had 20 lbs to lose, it wouldn’t have mattered as much.

acockworkorange ,

Dude lost a whole girl in weight.

Pulptastic ,

Fun story. 12 years ago I lost 80 lbs with keto. 4 years ago I quit keto for convenience because grad school. Gain 10 lb/yr since.

January this year I started keto, didn’t lose an ounce in 2 weeks. Eat less via IF and portion control but still keto, start losing. Eat a carb meal but still IF and portion control, still losing. Now I am on a standard ish diet (more emphasis on protein, more restriction on simple carbs) with portion control and gradually losing weight.

I tried dieting like this in 2010 but it “didn’t work”. In 2012 keto worked great but in hindsight it was likely the forced restriction and eventually calorie counting. Now that I’m good at calorie counting, CICO works great.

Miaou ,

Losing weight is also just more difficult as you age

Fosheze ,

That’s the thing with keto though. Being in ketosis doesn’t make you lose weight on it’s own. It just makes it way easier to eat less because you don’t spend all day feeling hungry.

todd_bonzalez ,

That really is the secret sauce of Keto. Of course, good portion control and healthy food choices also help keep you from feeling hungry between meals.

Emmie , (edited )

I wish I could just eat a pill once a day marked with desired bmi and forget about eating and focus on real stuff instead. I can barely hit 17.7 bmi even with some huel powder in a cup that is a hassle to wash. I want like 20 bmi to not look like a stick but it is hard to remember to eat that much

dependencyinjection ,

Skinnies rise up. For me I just don’t take the same kind of pleasure in food that friends do, even my slim friends will fight to finish every meal where I’m like nah bro I’m full why would I force myself to finish it.

So often think about how cool it would be to just get a food pill.

Emmie ,

Or we are permanently depressed or smh and not enjoy simple things as much as we could that’s a thought that is in the back of my head sometimes.

dependencyinjection ,

Feel called out there. Although I’d say I’m less depressed now, but I wouldn’t say I’m happy but never feel like I will be happy I’ll just plod along you know.

Emmie ,

I think I know

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

After being depressed for the last 20+ years, I tried RTMS and I have to say I think it has worked. I don’t feel so fucking down all the time. I don’t know if it’s a placebo, but even if it is, I am using this opportunity to completely turn my life around. Started eating healthy, working out and looking after myself and I’m feeling great.

dependencyinjection ,

Hey I am glad you’ve found something that it working.

RTMS?

pelespirit ,
@pelespirit@sh.itjust.works avatar

RTMS?

healthline.com/…/repetitive-transcranial-magnetic…

en.wikipedia.org/…/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulat…

hardaysknight ,

Same for me dude

lightnsfw ,

If you’re able to you should try working out. It increases your appetite. I went from ~18 bmi to ~23 after I started weight lifting and look a lot healthier now. It also took care of a lot of the random aches and pains I had.

Emmie , (edited )

Yeah I really need to. I spent a year trying to keep some working out routine. It’s so easy to slip and forget about it. I usually wake up and like wtf I had this healthy routine everything was nice but then some activity/project/idea absorbed me 24/7 for few days and it just evaporated like it never existed. Whether it was learning German, blender or drawing or suddenly writing scifi or warhammer painting or music making or playing guitar or physics learning etc… it is always few days of being utterly lost in that thing

There’s no constant things ever for me but just a repeated cycle of relearning the same thing again and again. I keep enormous collection of tabs on my… developments but forget to come back to them too. I hope they stay somewhere in my subconsciousness

OhNoMoreLemmy ,

Doesn’t matter if you forgot to work out for a bit. The trick is to just start again when you realise you’ve stopped.

Emmie ,

I need to pin that comment somewhere and remember it, thanks

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

Try taking up climbing, if you can meet friends that way, you’ll have them to keep you accountable. Also it’s way more fun than being at a normal gym.

lightnsfw ,

I found having to actually go to the gym was a huge hurdle for me so I bought a 200lb set of adjustable dumbbells and a foldable weight bench for at home. It’s nice because if I get lost in something and forget to work out until later I can still do something on the spot. If I had room I’d buy a full weight set but I’d need a house for that. If you don’t want to spend money or don’t have space there’s also a lot of bodyweight stuff you can do at home.

zer0squar3d ,

Could you provide more info? Any specific workout routine?

lightnsfw ,

I started off with a routine I got online. I thought it was off the fitness Reddit but I can’t find it now. This one is fairly close to what I do when I’m just maintaining- old.reddit.com/…/dumbbell_ppl_proposed_alternativ…. As I’ve progressed I’ve adjusted different things to mix things up or to focus on particular muscles. You can find a lot of videos on youtube that show you how to do different exercises, but make sure to get more than one opinion on things before you take just one persons word for something. There is a lot of bad info floating around out there.

The dumbell set was from the brand Yes4all I got off Amazon, at the time they were a good price but I couldn’t say now after Covid made everything more expensive. Also pick up some gloves. Your hands will thank you.

Liz ,

Apparently Lemmy uses ~ as a markup symbol, so by sure to escape it by putting a slash in front like this ~!

Fucking hell I can’t get it to format right…

~

Something goes wonky if you have two in one paragraph…

lightnsfw ,

That’s strange what is it doing? My comment looks normal to me.

PainInTheAES ,

Strikethrough

Strikethrough

Liz ,

Yeah but a pair of single tildes makes for superscript for some reason.

PainInTheAES ,

Huh, TIL. That doesn’t appear to be implemented in the mobile app I use.

13esq ,

I reasonate with this. Giving up smoking also helped my appetite.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

The part of this that sucks is that one day this shit just stops. Went from skinny stick figure constantly being told to eat more and put on weight while eating SO much, then I hit 35 and all of a sudden I’m 15kg overweight and sporting a nice double chin.

PenisWenisGenius ,

Only eating 1 meal a day and still barely gaining weight must’ve been amazing a million years ago, when there was no food but it’s the bane of my existence now.

bane_killgrind ,

I’m going to look good forever

  • a 33 year old
KyuubiNoKitsune ,

Keep fit, watch your diet and look after your skin and teeth and you’ll get it right. I’m a bit chubby now but I’m feeling better now that I’m doing these things.

bane_killgrind , (edited )

Thank you I was making fun of myself mostly.

I’m legitimately not worried, I make a point to chase after my niblings and climb up things I shouldn’t for exercise.

But should I still be worried?

Regrettable_incident ,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Exercise gets harder to keep up when you get older and everything starts hurting.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

I think as long as you’re living an active lifestyle, it’s all good.

Just remember to always wear sunscreen :P

Rekorse ,

Sorry if this comes off as a aggressive, but ive yet to see any of the “changes in an instant” things people say actually happen. For example, before you know it 10 years has gone by! Or yours, suddenly your belly just pops out!

When I gained 80 weight like that, it was very easy to point to the steps along the way. Its also important to realize how long it took to gain weight, as it can affect how quick you think you can lose it.

I’m almost positive its just people not paying attention. If its important to you then pay attention to it. If it was so unimportant that it seemed sudden, was it really that important to begin with?

Is it just people suddenly caring about something that they didnt for their whole lives and having to deal with all of it at once?

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

I don’t think it’s about caring.

When you slowly boil the frog in water, does it care that it’s being boiled? Yes. Does it notice? Not initially no, it becomes apparent later on when it impacts it’s life.

I was stuck inside for almost 2 years alone, I didn’t have friends and I felt shit about myself altogether. I didn’t look in the mirror and I didn’t notice.

Until a friend sent me a photo of me at the park and I realised how bad it was and that I felt disgusting.

Did I care? Yeah, but I didn’t notice the gradual change. I can identify the behavior and I can say the average time span, but I have no idea when it actually started or when it started to plateau.

I don’t have a scale, I don’t weigh myself, I actively avoid mirrors to stop me from hating myself even more…

I also think you’re taking the saying too literally.

Rekorse ,

Thats a bad analogy, the frog constantly wants to live, and has essentially been tricked.

In your case, you tricked yourself by not looking at yourself, despite the fact that you do in fact care how you look.

I’d say that’s more of a conscious decision to not deal with something than akin to being boiled alive.

In my opinion, ignoring something is an action, not inaction.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

What does that even matter?

Maybe I don’t want to be alive? Maybe being alive was something that was done to me? Maybe being born into the family and body I have is the trick?

Like, you sound so pedantic, bitter and quite angry about something people say to express something happening slowly without necessarily noticing how bad it is until something brings it to their attention.

Believe it or not, and this may be hard to grasp, but not everyone experiences life the way you do in your head.

Rekorse ,

I’m not saying everyone experiences things the same way. Everyone has their own perspective, and most importantly, is capable of changing it. I think the perspective displayed in the “life rushing by” memes, is negative and toxic. I think if that meme resonates with you, then it might be helpful to think about why.

If you didnt want to discuss your perspective compared to mine, I’m not sure why we are talking.

If you really wanted to know my feeling when I saw this post, since you made quite a few guesses, I felt hopeful that I could share my perspective with others and learn more about theres, using the meme as a vehicle.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

But you’re not discussing it, your projecting your world views on others and making accusations and assumptions about me. Which I don’t really appreciate. You neither know me, how my mind works or what I’ve gone through. It also seems like you may or may not understand how mental health issues can affect cognition or perception.

So with that, I’ll end the conversation there.

Jakeroxs ,

For me it was pretty rapid after covid hit, I didn’t change what I was eating by much, but I was no longer in office walking around or I had a habit of going up and down stairs for breaks and such.

Though similarly everyone said I look more healthy now lmao

Went from about 128-132 to 158-162

Rekorse ,

I had to argue with family members that I was in fact still at a very healthy bmi at 130 pounds. They started making comments about losing too much when I was still in the overweight category. Not sure what that’s all about.

Not to contradict your point, but I thought it was interesting you moved around more in office, where I move far more at home where I can work on chores or cook in little bursts.

Miaou , (edited )

Working out made me take almost 10kg over 6 months, and even after stopping I did not really lose much (well the muscle turned to fat surely). Might be worth exploring. Am slightly above 1.80, and was below 70kg

Kecessa ,

In this thread: A bunch of Dunning-Kruger effect

13esq ,

You don’t need to have a level 200 IQ or 20 years experience to work out that eating less is going to help with weight loss.

Kecessa , (edited )

Yet there’s a whole bunch of people who can’t understand that increasing the number of calories you burn without increasing how much you eat achieves the same result.

sushibowl ,

Not quite the same result, exercise has a whole host of health benefits aside from just the weight loss.

On the other hand, for most people, given a calorie deficit target, it is often much, much easier to eat less than burn more.

Kecessa ,

From a weight and calories perspective only the result is the same.

Also, dieticians would disagree with you and that’s the reason why they put much more emphasis on starting with healthy life habits first and foremost instead of reducing calories, long term one sticks the other doesn’t because it’s the difference between making your life better vs making yourself miserable.

13esq , (edited )

Whilst what you’re saying is true, it’s important to recognise that you can’t out run a terrible diet.

You could eat well all week, run ten miles a day and then completely ruin it by eating and drinking 20,000 calories at the weekend.

To put it simply, it doesn’t matter if you burn an amazing 5000 calories a day if you’re consuming 5500 calories.

95% of losing weight is simply eating less, there’s absolutely no need to complicate it by telling people they must radically change their diet or that they need to dedicate themselves to regimented exercise.

Kecessa , (edited )

In this case you’re not eating the same as you were before so it doesn’t apply to what I’m saying.

If you are eating the same as before and your weight was stable then and you add exercise to the mix then you’re going to lose weight, there’s no magic to it, it’s mathematics. If you were going to “cheat” like in your example then without exercise you would have gained weight so you still effectively lost weight by exercising.

13esq ,

That’s true and I wasn’t trying to refute that point.

undergroundoverground ,

The evidence linking excersise alone with weight loss is sketchy at best and rarely is there any significant difference between combined diet and excerise groups and diet-alone groups. Excersise alone rarely, if ever, shows any significant difference in weight loss.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5556592/

Theres a reason people say “you can’t out run a bad diet” and there’s a reason its called “cardiovascular” and not “weight loss” excersise.

The idea that you could out run a bad diet was pushed by food lobby groups who wanted people to eat more than they need to, under the pretence that they can excersise it off later.

We evolved as persistence hunters. As such, the pathway for excersise induced fat burning is greatly inhibited, so as to not be able to run yourself to death trying to get food.

Kecessa , (edited )

Reading it they make it clear that it’s because people end up eating more than they did before which isn’t what I’m talking about.

By your logic there’s no reason why athletes need to eat so much, their caloric needs should pretty much stay the same as if they didn’t exercise.

undergroundoverground ,

You managed to pick out the one study, amongst all those that disagree with you, that you think proves you point while simultaneously ignoring the literature reviews conclusions. I’m not sure what to say to something so far beyond confirmation bias.

Its not MY logic. Its the logic of the lack of evidence agreeing with your premise. Its the logic of looking at our metabolic pathways and our evolution, instead of that of food lobby groups.

Even then, you’re thinking about the release of glycogen and not fat burning/weight loss. Thats why athletes carb load, instead of keeping extra fat on them to burn off while competing. Its why people with fat on them stop due to exhaustion, despite having lots of energy they can use all over their body. Its why people have to go through so much to induce ketosis. Its why even professional marathon runners eat healthily and not too much.

Our fat reserves are for keeping us alive in an emergency, not a source of additional energy to dip into when we need it. I mean, I wouldn’t go on about logic when you’re here arguing for the idea of a species of persistence hunters who evolved to be able to run themselves to death easily.

Like most people, you wildly over estimate how many calories are burned by cardio vascular excersise, above bass rate metabolism.

Kecessa ,

80 to 140 calories per mile when jogging, even at the lower end it means that if you jog 6 miles you have your 500 calories deficit as long as you don’t eat more than you would have otherwise.

It’s. Not. Magic. If you needed 2500 calories to stay at the same weight then increasing your caloric needs to 3000 is the same as reducing your intake to 2000.

It’s about consistency, just like cutting calories, you can cut all week and fuck it all up by eating a cake on the weekend that you wouldn’t have if you weren’t on a diet.

Edit:

From your own link

There is also evidence to support the notion that individuals who are less physically active are more likely to gain weight over time than those who exercise between 150 and 300 min/week

Although exercise contributes to multiple health benefits, and most of the research suggests that it can play a role in both short- and long-term weight loss and weight maintenance, patients often have a difficult time engaging in a regular exercise program and continuing that program as a lifestyle modification.

Problem with consistency

Consistently performing exercise of a duration greater than the basic recommendations for health (150 min/week of moderate-intensity exercise) does appear to be more likely to contribute to weight loss and weight maintenance efforts over the long term

undergroundoverground ,

I agree, its not magic. Its you making up numbers and refusing to accept that glycogen exists. Probably because you don’t know anything about it while massively over estimating your knowledge of bio chem.

Its not 80 - 140. Its like 5 -10 at best. Again, you epically over estimate the calorie burning effect of excersise, above bass rate, that cardio does. Its why its called cardiovascular and not weight loss excersise, just fyi, due to the fundamental lack of evidence proving it to cause weight loss. Funny that…

I mean, you might have a point, if insulin and glucagon didn’t exist. However, they do. So, that ends that really. Well, it does it you understand metabolism.

There is also evidence to support the notion that individuals who are less physically active are more likely to gain weight over time than those who exercise between 150 and 300 min/week

Doesn’t mean exceraise makes people lose weight. It could also mean people who do no excersise often eat more too. They would have said this in their report themselves. Dont just read what you want to from things.

Although exercise contributes to multiple health benefits, and most of the research suggests that it can play a role in both short- and long-term weight loss and weight maintenance, patients often have a difficult time engaging in a regular exercise program and continuing that program as a lifestyle modification.

It CAN, as in, in their opinion some of the research potentially could indicate that. But its not conclusive, as I keep saying. You just read what you wanted from that.

Consistently performing exercise of a duratio er than the basic recommendations for health (150 min/week of moderate-intensity exercise) does appear to be more likely to contribute to weight loss and weight maintenance efforts over the long term

So, again, one that might “appear” to maybe actually agree with you and you ignored all the rest. Well the ones you didn’t choose to missread that is.

Even then, they’re very tentative and say its more likely, not something like “the evidence shows”, as the evidence does show that. Again again, this so far beyond confirmation bias. If you want to die on this hill of no evidence and feeling like you can out run bad diet (which would have to be true, if it worked to way you’re claiming it does), then more fool you.

Its not magic but it would be, if it worked how you seem to think it does. Behold, the magical persistence hunters who evolved to be able to run themselves to a starvation induced death.

You can’t argue with that kind of “logic.”

Kecessa , (edited )

5 to 10?

Really?

acefitness.org/…/how-many-calories-do-you-burn-ru….

5 to freaking 10???

Guess you haven’t done any exercise in a while buddy!

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8365736/

Compared to controls without exercise, aerobic training was consistently found to be effective on weight loss, which was not the case for resistance training.7

Funny how it has an impact on weight loss even though, based on what you’re saying, exercising barely increases your caloric expense.

undergroundoverground ,

5 to freaking 10???

Above bass rate metabolism, yes. They didn’t adjust the data for that and you didn’t bother to consider what was being said to you.

I hit the gym regularly, pal! Even then, me going or not has no bearing on this. Youre just being silly now.

Compared to controls without exercise, aerobic training was consistently found to be effective on weight loss, which was not the case for resistance training.7

This is just hilarious. If you look at reference 7, what they’re quoting, you’ll see its about stopping muscle atrophy in people in people on calorie reduced diets. They used resistance training to keep the weight up, via stopping muscle atrophy.

And, again, you choose to ignore the bits you don’t like:

…Although the effect on weight and fat loss is of relatively small magnitude.

Like I said, its little to no effect. Its just BS pushed by food lobby groups and people who don’t understand bio chem.

Kecessa , (edited )

2400 calories a day, that’s 100 an hour

I don’t know the speed at which you jog but at 6 miles an hour let’s say 600 calories an hour based on what I shared so you’re telling me that what you believe is that the real impact is 5 to 10 per mile instead, let’s be generous and it’s actually 60 calories that those 6 miles added to your energy expenditure so that’s 540 calories burnt during that hour (base metabolism as you said) + the 60 extra from the exercise.

Are you implying that your energy usage per hour now goes

2460 for the day, 600 burnt in an hour, 1860 for the rest of the day so you’re suddenly burning 80 calories an hour the rest of the day instead of 100 like you would if you didn’t exercise? You realize how this makes no fucking sense and there’s no reputable sources that would agree with you?

“I hit the gym regularly pal!” Yeah, and you’re falling for gym bro science buddy.

undergroundoverground ,

Again, not 100 calories above bass rate. Its not hard. You just have to accept that you’re fundamentally wrong, as the data shows. I’ll make it easier, its not 100 calories over what you burn, just to stay alive.

Based on the data you completely misssunderstood, we could “prove” almost anything. Unless you can show the part where they controlled for peoples base rate metabolism, they didnt control for it.

Pretty much, thats why the only data that you think agrees with you had to be wildly misread. We are incredibly efficient at moving while preserving energy, hence the whole persistence hunters thing you keep trying to ignore, despite its obvious effects on our metabolic pathways and this discussion.

Lol, so, if I don’t go to the gym, I don’t know how excersise works but if I do, I’m only speaking gym science. Youre hilarious! You didn’t even know what glycogen was. Behave yourself. I know you didn’t because all the people that do know what it is don’t beleive the baseless old wives tale you beleive. I won’t go any deeper than gymbro science because you clearly can’t understand anything deeper than that.

Let’s pretend you weren’t wildly misreading what they said, even then, this is about weight loss and inducing fat metabolising pathways. Youre struggling on the calories part alone and we haven’t even got the the metabolic pathways that also don’t agree with you.

Theres a reason you had to reach so far and look so long for something you had to misread, in order to argue you point.

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

When I was a teenager I went on an extreme fast, down to one meal a day, for a 6 week period. Problem is, I struggled to eat a normal amount again after the time I set for myself. I had to go to a food therapist after becoming a twig to try and get my calories up again. Even now, years later, I can easily slip back into eating a bag of crisps and then forgetting to eat the rest of the day.

emberwit ,

What made you struggle to eat more again? Your fasting sounds like my normal diet.

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

Trying to eat more again made me feel ill.

FiniteBanjo ,

TBH a single Big Mac meal is 1350 Cal, so if you’re an adult 5’9" male and dieting then that’s already your daily limit.

It sucks but you’ve basically gotta choose between taste quality and quantity.

trashgirlfriend ,

If you’re dieting you’re probably overweight so the limit might be a couple hundred calories up.

Also if you skip out on the soda you can lower it a bit too.

FiniteBanjo ,

Yes, switching to water can drastically reduce the calories in my example.

Daily Calorie use starts at around 2100 for a male 35 y/o at 5’9" and only goes up with physical activity. The number I cited for a big mac meal, 1350, is basically a consumption limit for dieting. Extreme diets go as low as 850 or even fasting. You can in theory still lose weight by consuming any number less than 2100 but the effectiveness will be hard to see and there will be a margin of error in nutritional labeling for calories.

trashgirlfriend ,

I’ve personally found lower deficits to be more maintainable over time, with a big deficit you can see the effects really fast but I also find that my weight was more prone to rubberband very quickly after stopping the diet.

If you can maintain a super low deficit and then keep the weight that way after that’s great, I just don’t think it’s really universally applicable.

Kecessa ,

Lower deficits and exercising are much more effective to lose weight long term instead of doing the yo-yo like the majority of people who believe in diets.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

1 pound of body fat = 3500 calories, so if your normal caloric requirement is 2500 calories a day and you instead eat 2000 calories a day, you will lose one pound a week. Which doesn’t sound like a lot but if you keep that up for one year you can lose 52 pounds - which is a lot.

FiniteBanjo ,

Alright, but the daily expenditure will go down alongside your current weight. The average* 35 y/o 5’9" man, who exercises at least 30min a day 5 days a week, who weighs 217 will maintain weight at 2,871 while at 165 lbs will maintain at 2,452.

*average is emphasized to help explain why the calorie number is larger than in previous comments, which were a minimum estimate.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

A 420 calorie drop from a 52-pound weight loss implies a resting metabolic requirement for body fat tissue of about 8 calories per pound, which I think is a serious overestimate but I’m not sure. I’ve seen some sources claim 2 calories per pound for fat and 6 calories per pound for muscle, but other sources have claimed significantly higher amounts.

FiniteBanjo ,

Yeah it’s really hard to pin down consistent numbers on this subject due to both interpersonal differences and demographic trends in data.

Kecessa ,

Goes up with physical activity AND weight no matter the source (muscle or fat).

You need to keep eating way more than 2200 calories a day in order to be stable at a weight of 300lbs even if you don’t do any exercise.

FiniteBanjo ,

I wouldn’t say way more. If you cut your weight in half then you can expect to cut your calorie requirements by at most a third.

Kecessa ,

livestrong.com/…/360894-weight-loss-plans-for-a-3…

4200 for a 300lbs man that doesn’t exercise.

FiniteBanjo ,

That doesn’t seem related to my comment, are you sure that you can read English?

Kecessa ,

Me: You need to keep eating way more than 2200 calories in order to be stable at 300lbs

You: I wouldn’t say way more, you’ll cut your calories by a third of you lose half your weight

Me: 300lbs sustenance is 4200 calories for someone who’s inactive

Do you think a 150lbs man needs 2800 (2/3rd of 4200) calories a day to sustain that weight if it’s not someone that’s active?

FiniteBanjo ,

If anything you’ve highlighted the discrepancy between maintaining 300lbs at both 2200 and 4200, but more importantly my comment was about how calorie requirements go down pretty moderately as your weight decreases and your response to that was “at 300 very big number of calorie”.

According to THIS calculator your estimate is 900 calories too high.

Part of the reason for my condescending reply was you linking that garbage tier magazine article to me.

Kecessa ,

Oh and a 52% increase compared to average isn’t way more then?

FiniteBanjo ,

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/ca0a5251-1ad0-4eb9-b8a5-b3475225d122.jpeg

Kecessa ,

3350/2200 = 1.52 -> 52% more than normal

Just using the numbers you provided

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/b5b51c75-ce98-4aa4-985e-ced18a004a3b.png

FiniteBanjo ,

2200 isn’t “normal.” Both numbers are “normal” at different weights. If you reverse the ratio then you see 2200 is 0.656% of 3350 or that it has…

DECREASED BY A THIRD. WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED THAT…?

Also, you randomly reused the 2200 you spouted earlier instead of running the calculator again for 150 lbs which would be 2,352. So it’s actually even less than that.

Kecessa ,

Just going by average number based on my local health guidelines.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t have much money, and my doctor told me I was eating twice as much as I should so I figured I’d cut my grocery bills in half. One trick I learned was that if I was hungry I’d drink a big glass of water and wait fifteen minutes. If I was still hungry I’d have more water and wait another fifteen minutes. If I was still hungry I’d have a small bowl of pasta or rice with vegetables.

Got down to my ideal weight in about six months, alongside a lot of manual labor getting and keeping a house ready for sale. It also helped that I didn’t have a significant other, so mealtimes weren’t social.

uienia ,

Yeah, that is why vegetables especially are good for dieting. Low on calories, but full of fibre, which makes you feel full for a much longer time. A burger meal is full of carbohydrates and fat, and you will soon feel hungry again a short while after eating it, regardless of its high caloric content, simply because it lacks fibre.

FiniteBanjo ,

Some veggies are actually calorie negative.

yetiftw ,

source? as far as I’ve heard, this isn’t actually true

FiniteBanjo ,

It’s sort of a scientific grey area. Lots of studies say there is evidence both ways, and magazines take those and run with it to say whatever they want. Another factor is heat creation, particular with cold food and drink. Measurements have shown a varied diet could have a Daytime DIT anywhere between 5% and 50% of energy expenditure, not to mention energy expended on ATP production and various stages of digestion.

Another big factor is nutrient content, such as protein vs carbohydrates.

If you think about it, getting up and walking to the fridge is like 2 calories right there so if celery has 14 then it’s not hard to imagine a deficit.

expr ,

You can have nutritious, filling meals that taste really good without excessive calories, you just need to learn to cook. It’s also a hell of a lot cheaper than eating fast food all the time.

FiniteBanjo ,

Yeah, the best bread I’ve ever had was the one I made last week. I use a focaccia recipe season with rosemary, sage, dried onion, dried garlic, and parsley. I sometimes stuff it with mozzerella with a touch of asiago and parmesian cheeses and Jalapenos, but alternatively I can make it into 2 slender loaves rolled in the cheese and jalapeno for sandwich bread. For soft crust it’s a wash made of egg and water applied every 11 minutes until the cheese on the outside starts to darken, but for hard crust it’s water or oil applied at the start and halfway through. It’s important to make sure every ingredient is room temperature at the start, including the egg.

That aside, we’re discussing anon getting to eat McDonalds by only adjusting the amount, so please try your best to remain on topic.

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

This is exactly the kind of mood I’m in today

lightnsfw ,

They have smaller calorie options on the menu. A mcdouble is like 400 calories.

FiniteBanjo ,

If you think a McDouble is a considerable replacement for a big mac then you’re in the wrong neighborhood.

lightnsfw ,

It is if your goal is to eat fast food while cutting calories. It’s also a hell of a lot cheaper

Pulptastic ,

The Mac alone is 563 kcal, and that easily fits. Ditch the fries and soda.

JasSmith ,

Yeah fries and soda are an easy ditch. The burger is where it’s at.

PenisWenisGenius ,

In the past I’ve been able to lose weight by limiting myself to 1 meal a day + exercising but its really terrible that all is what it takes to stop gaining weight. The human body is too goddamn efficient to the point it’s fucking everyone over.

FiniteBanjo ,

Have you considered changing DNA expression so you produce the correct beta-metabolites and develop fast-firing neurons? /s

lars ,

Someone I look up to more convincingly said the same thing. I scoffed but he knows what he’s talking about.

I lost so much weight so fast—during the beginning of the pandemic no less—by only staying beneath the magical number everyday.

Sentau ,

How do you calculate the calorie maintenance number¿?

lars ,

I used the same awful but free (with option to upgrade but no need) app the guy I look up to used (and it also knows how many calories I burn in activity during a day). It even has an awful name, but the results are amazing and it already has a ton of the foods I eat in it and it gets easier to use with time.

MyFitnessPal: myfitnesspal.com

lightnsfw ,

I used to use that as well until I got good enough at tracking to just do it in my head. It was a decent app just annoying that it didn’t really seem to have any moderation on people submitting foods and a lot were way off and sometimes 6 or 7 of the exact same thing. Still the best app for it I found.

lars ,

Exactly the same with me and exactly my opinion. But congrats to us both!

xploit ,

Don’t bother with apps, many website even certain official healthcare sites will have info about food calories, even some calculators and the intake for your age/weight/gender/etc. It seems that if you’re biologically female you’re kinda screwed though, my partner had much harder time getting 1/10th of result I was getting.

When it comes to counting food calories, you don’t necessarily need exact numbers for raw ingredients and that info is out there, for anything else check out packaging and add it all up per day.

Kecessa , (edited )

2200 is about expected maintenance level for a man that does normal daily activities (going on walks, cleaning around the house and so on).

If you currently maintain your weight with whatever you’re eating and drinking then calculate how much calories there is in what you’re currently eating and drinking (average for the week) and cut that by 500 a day to lose 1 pound a week.

If you’re increasing your physical activity as well then take that into consideration, it’s much more healthy and effective in the long run (in most situations) to just continue eating the same but to start being active, this way you’re not taking anything away, you’re adding something to your life.

LwL ,

You kind of can’t. Caloric intake from food varies by person, as does energy use. You can use a calculator for a ballpark measure and then see how it works out for your weight.

Type of food can also matter, because depending on your stomach bacteria, you will also get different energy value from different foods. I thought an easy way for me to lose weight would be to stop eating sweets (since i prob averaged around 500kcal nominal value per day), but nope I ended up gaining weight, probably from eating slightly more normal food. What I found works for me was delaying each meal for longer so I end up eating one large and one smaller meal per day. Going to bed slightly hungry then I usually wake up not hungry and it takes a few hours before I feel the need to eat something, etc.

I even once lost weight drinking about 2 liters of choccy milk per day but eating a lot less regular food, though I wouldn’t recommend that because that much sugar is terrible for you anyway. Far worse than being a bit overweight, probably.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

It doesn’t much matter how accurate your calorie estimates are. If you estimate that your daily caloric requirement is 2500 and you’re eating 2000 calories a day, then you should be losing about one pound a week (1 pound of fat = 3500 calories). If you find instead that your weight is remaining constant, then either your caloric requirement estimate or your caloric intake estimate is wrong (or both are). In either case, your only option is to eat even less, per your measurements.

011000010111001101110011 ,

The answer to your question is to calculate your BMR, or basal metabolic rate. It’s an approximate calculation based on your sex, age, height, and weight. Your BMR is the amount of calories you need to maintain life when completely sedentary. If you only eat that number of calories, and do ANY physical activity, you will begin to lose weight as your body taps into your reserves for energy.

There is more nuance, but the simple math is calories in vs calories out. If you have a deficit, your weight will decrease. People counting calories to lose weight generally target their BMR minus 200 to 500 calories daily, though 500 is a bit much in my experience.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I almost literally lost forty pounds eating nothing but buffalo wings

And then I turned into a vegetarian

Sorry chickens, ty for your lean protein (before they Buffalo’d it), I put it to good use

jelloeater85 ,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

What do you like to cook?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I figured out I was less interested in the meat than I was in what made the meat actually taste good, your buffalo sauces, barbeque, etc, and just did the same thing I was doing but with tofu and broccoli.

When I first started I was all about these weirdo “secret tricks” to get tofu to “taste like meat” but I quickly figured out it just wasn’t worth the effort for my tastes and stuck to pan frying or raw tofu afterwards.

jelloeater85 ,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, fake meat tastes meh, I’d rather just do my own thing for sure.

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