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MilitantVegan ,

Refined sugar is generally not good, and certainly whole food sources of carbs are much more beneficial than simple sugars - however, sugar is not nearly as much of a demon as popular health influencers make it out to be. Importantly, it also needs to be kept in mind that the “standard american diet” (sad) or standard western diet is one that’s high in animal products, fat (particularly saturated fat), refined carbs; while being low in whole fruits, vegetables, and fiber and phytonutrients in general.

Walter Kempers rice diet is worth learning about. It was a terrible diet - patients could basically only eat white rice, sugar, and fruit. But despite being an absurdly high sugar and high carb diet, a lot of patients saw dramatic improvements in their health, particularly when it came to things like obesity and type 2 diabetes reversal.

drmcdougall.com/…/walter-kempner-md-founder-of-th…

MilitantVegan ,

If you’re blaming rising obesity on sugar, it shows you’re more susceptible to marketing than you are knowledgeable about the relevant science.

MilitantVegan ,

Mainly the people who are profiting from anti-carb diet fads - Atkins, keto, paleo, carnivore, etc.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=BKOQOP3G1go

MilitantVegan ,

Lol. The funny thing is they are kind of technically right. All refined sugars have some harmful effects like blood sugar spikes and inflammation, but corn syrup only has a slightly higher ratio of fructose to glucose as table sugar does. In small, irregular doses it’s fine to consume. And for athletes it can even be beneficial since refined carbs can replenish glycogen stores rapidly.

MilitantVegan ,

Looking forward to getting a Pinetime. It might not be polished, but community support never truly ends.

MilitantVegan OP ,

Here’s one that emphasizes health.

annas-archive.org/…/9fb9b2b1d763d1030d56c4161e254…

MilitantVegan OP ,

It’s a sample size issue. What percentage of people make the effort to get swole? It’s maybe (maybe not) a similar figure to how many vegans bother to get strong. Now what percentage of all people are vegan? Estimates range from 1% to 10%, with 3-5% being probably the most reasonable estimate.

But you’re the one making the claim without backing it up. Vegans can get all the protein they need, even when strength training. And the best part is we do it without the heart disease, cancer risk, and autoimmune diseases.

MilitantVegan OP ,

Sounds well reasoned.

Or, more memes. 🙃

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d0f4c524-80c3-488e-9525-c56c193f41a6.png

MilitantVegan OP ,

Umm, yes you are.

MilitantVegan OP ,

What is it?

MilitantVegan OP ,

What I’ve been finding so far about lemmy is that if I post something vegan that puts all the blame on corporations, the upvotes come rolling in. But anything else is either closer to a 1:1 ratio, or downvote abyss.

MilitantVegan OP ,

There is a vegan keto, and at least one study has found it to not have the same harms that other variants of keto has. The problem there is that it’s an extremely restrictive diet, so good luck to anyone trying to stick to that.

Aside from the one legitimate use it has - alleviating seizure symptoms - keto is just plain a diet that makes no sense for humans whatsoever.

MilitantVegan ,

Veggie Burger.

MilitantVegan ,

Technically this is true, but in practice strict calorie deficit diets don’t work for most people. To be in a calorie deficit state is a state of starvation, and most people’s entire biological drives rail against it. What usually happens with these kinds of diets is the person will do well for a time, but the constant starving will drive them to either start unconsciously sneaking in more sources of calories, or they’ll outright rebound into eating even more than they did before.

Sustainable weight loss ultimately comes down to living healthy by default.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventist_Health_Studies

thankful2plants.com/…/21-tweaks-by-dr-greger/

nutritionfacts.org/book/how-not-to-diet/

MilitantVegan ,

Low carb diets have been consistently shown to only cause short-term weight loss, followed by even greater weight gain if the person even bothers to adhere to the diet long term in the first place. This is in addition to the fact that low carb diets lead to a lower lifespan.

Calories per 1 gram of macros- Carbs: 4 Protein: 4 Fat: 9

www.pcrm.org/…/the-carbohydrate-advantage

MilitantVegan ,

I don’t even know where to begin unraveling this bad take. You should at least start by reading an intro to nutrition book or something, sounds like you’ve been drinking a lot of unscientific koolaid.

MilitantVegan ,

Was this written by a vegan?

MilitantVegan OP ,

Why are the animal’s choices never considered in this equation? Freedom is something the west places a high value on, but it’s generally agreed that freedom should never go so far as to harm others, yet your “freedom” to choose what to eat is resulting in a horrifying sort of perpetual holocaust.

Why is your fleeting sensory pleasure (something that can be had just as easily from plants) more important than the entire lives and wellbeing of all the animals you paid to have killed?

MilitantVegan ,

Some of them are, and it doesn’t take long (maybe a year) on a plant-based lifestyle to start naturally preferring more plant-forward burgers.

MilitantVegan ,

Are you referring to plant-based burgers? That would definitely apply to Beyond and Impossible as they add way too much coconut oil, and salt. In other words they’re unhealthy for some of the same reasons animal flesh is unhealthy, although they are still less harmful than their animal counterparts just by lacking the animal proteins.

MilitantVegan ,

Every person still buying and consuming animal products paid for this.

MilitantVegan ,

Humans don’t intrinsically know what to eat to for nutrient deficiencies, that’s a learned behavior based on finding out what the symptoms of a given deficiency are, and learning which foods have the necessary nutrients.

MilitantVegan ,

That only informs about your bias, which comes from the sum of knowledge and experience you do have. Historically we know there have been planty of cases of people getting scurvy simply because they did not know better to eat the right foods, and did not appear to crave them either.

Cravings appear to have more to do with pleasure, and alleviating stress.

healthline.com/…/nutrient-deficiencies-cravings

MilitantVegan OP ,

“The plant constituents of that product, a vegan blue cheese, are hardly exotic. The top four ingredients are pumpkin seeds, coconut oil, lima beans, and hemp protein powder. And yet Dominique Crenn, a Michelin-starred chef, described it as “soft, buttery, and surprisingly rich—beyond imagination for a vegan cheese.””

technologyreview.com/…/climax-foods-vegan-blue-ch…

MilitantVegan OP ,

It’ll be interesting to try when it comes out, but there are already plenty of good brands out there.

tastingtable.com/…/best-vegan-cheese-brands-ranke…

MilitantVegan OP ,

Here are more details (and more context is in the article):

“Someone had tipped off the foundation on something that disqualified Climax, Good Food Foundation Executive Director Sarah Weiner told the Washington Post. The complaint potentially arose from Climax’s use of the ingredient kokum butter, which has not been designated as GRAS (generally regarded as safe) by the Food and Drug Administration. However, Zahn told the Washington Post that the company has replaced the ingredient with cocoa butter, which was the version he said he submitted for the awards (although Weiner contests this).

The Good Food Awards also didn’t require GRAS certification for all ingredients back when contestants submitted their products — rather, the foundation added this to the rules later on. Zahn claims the Good Food Foundation never reached out to Climax to inform the company of the new requirement, although Weiner told the Washington Post it attempted to. SFGATE could not reach the Good Food Foundation for comment in time for publication.

“It would have been very easy for them to reach out to us and tell us about the new requirements,” Zahn told SFGATE. “… The thing that’s upsetting to me is that they were kind of unprofessional by changing the rules a week before the event.””

sfgate.com/…/berkeley-vegan-cheese-good-food-awar…

MilitantVegan OP ,

I’ll just copy and paste the same thing I replied with, above:

Here are more details (and more context is in the article):

“Someone had tipped off the foundation on something that disqualified Climax, Good Food Foundation Executive Director Sarah Weiner told the Washington Post. The complaint potentially arose from Climax’s use of the ingredient kokum butter, which has not been designated as GRAS (generally regarded as safe) by the Food and Drug Administration. However, Zahn told the Washington Post that the company has replaced the ingredient with cocoa butter, which was the version he said he submitted for the awards (although Weiner contests this).

The Good Food Awards also didn’t require GRAS certification for all ingredients back when contestants submitted their products — rather, the foundation added this to the rules later on. Zahn claims the Good Food Foundation never reached out to Climax to inform the company of the new requirement, although Weiner told the Washington Post it attempted to. SFGATE could not reach the Good Food Foundation for comment in time for publication.

“It would have been very easy for them to reach out to us and tell us about the new requirements,” Zahn told SFGATE. “… The thing that’s upsetting to me is that they were kind of unprofessional by changing the rules a week before the event.””

sfgate.com/…/berkeley-vegan-cheese-good-food-awar…

MilitantVegan OP ,

With this username I am quickly finding out I should be charging one quarter every time someone says this.

MilitantVegan OP ,

Good luck with that.

MilitantVegan OP ,

Here are more details (and more context is in the article):

“Someone had tipped off the foundation on something that disqualified Climax, Good Food Foundation Executive Director Sarah Weiner told the Washington Post. The complaint potentially arose from Climax’s use of the ingredient kokum butter, which has not been designated as GRAS (generally regarded as safe) by the Food and Drug Administration. However, Zahn told the Washington Post that the company has replaced the ingredient with cocoa butter, which was the version he said he submitted for the awards (although Weiner contests this).

The Good Food Awards also didn’t require GRAS certification for all ingredients back when contestants submitted their products — rather, the foundation added this to the rules later on. Zahn claims the Good Food Foundation never reached out to Climax to inform the company of the new requirement, although Weiner told the Washington Post it attempted to. SFGATE could not reach the Good Food Foundation for comment in time for publication.

“It would have been very easy for them to reach out to us and tell us about the new requirements,” Zahn told SFGATE. “… The thing that’s upsetting to me is that they were kind of unprofessional by changing the rules a week before the event.””

sfgate.com/…/berkeley-vegan-cheese-good-food-awar…

MilitantVegan OP ,

It’s not available yet, but here’s their home page.

climax.bio

MilitantVegan OP ,

Here are more details (and more context is in the article):

“Someone had tipped off the foundation on something that disqualified Climax, Good Food Foundation Executive Director Sarah Weiner told the Washington Post. The complaint potentially arose from Climax’s use of the ingredient kokum butter, which has not been designated as GRAS (generally regarded as safe) by the Food and Drug Administration. However, Zahn told the Washington Post that the company has replaced the ingredient with cocoa butter, which was the version he said he submitted for the awards (although Weiner contests this).

The Good Food Awards also didn’t require GRAS certification for all ingredients back when contestants submitted their products — rather, the foundation added this to the rules later on. Zahn claims the Good Food Foundation never reached out to Climax to inform the company of the new requirement, although Weiner told the Washington Post it attempted to. SFGATE could not reach the Good Food Foundation for comment in time for publication.

“It would have been very easy for them to reach out to us and tell us about the new requirements,” Zahn told SFGATE. “… The thing that’s upsetting to me is that they were kind of unprofessional by changing the rules a week before the event.””

sfgate.com/…/berkeley-vegan-cheese-good-food-awar…

MilitantVegan OP ,

Yeah something about the economics doesn’t make sense, especially comparing the price of, say, dry beans, to a box of plant-based burger patties.

MilitantVegan OP ,

Technically it can’t be all animal products, since honey is about 98% sugar, and despite the hate campaign currently hitting carbs, sugar is not quite as harmful (in and of itself) as it’s made out to be.

But if we’re referring to all animal products in the sense of meat, dairy, and eggs - those three foods have nutritional properties that are all very similar and they do have some overlap in terms of health issues.

The biggest thing they have in common is being a package deal with high amounts of saturated fat and cholesterol. Heart disease is generally the industrialized world’s number one killer, and all three animal foods initiate the onset and progress the state of heart disease.

Then there are issues that are less settled, like to what degree do these foods cause various cancers?

And then this one is even more in need of further study, but there might be a link between these foods and autoimmune disorders.

www.pcrm.org/news/…/meat-bad-you-and-environment

www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/…/processed-meat

www.pcrm.org/…/health-concerns-about-dairy

www.pcrm.org/…/health-concerns-with-eggs

MilitantVegan OP ,

There’s nothing ancient or valuable about a relatively new industry that’s built on lies and unnecessary suffering and death for all.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=roIWg4ntj9k&pp=ygUTZGFpcnkg…

MilitantVegan OP ,

Clearly it doesn’t need luck - it’s already winning awards despite underhanded tricks.

MilitantVegan OP ,

I was going to post the original wapo article, but then I saw wapo wouldn’t even let me read the whole thing. I don’t knowingly link to articles that are paywalled.

MilitantVegan OP ,

They were slated to win, close enough.

MilitantVegan OP ,

No, they had advance warning that they were the winners. That victory was stolen from them based on rules that were added after the fact.

MilitantVegan OP ,

Relatively low if you compare it only to other meats or animal products. So while you can choose animal products that might progress these chronic metabolic diseases slower, you are still advancing them. But there are lots of factors that complicate things. For example the health impacts of animal products also depend on how you cook them, and what you eat them with. Cured meats are unanimously considered one of the worst things you can consume, right up there with smoking. Steamed fish would probably be about the least harmful (except that fish have some of the highest levels of bioaccumulated toxins and heavy metals). Actually, bugs are likely the least harmful, for those who are comfortable with that. Eating a source of fiber mitigates some of the harm from animal products as shown in this video:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=C08mqjMuwyY

Further complicating things is that single nutrients often behave differently depending on context. For example antioxidants other than some of the essential vitamins have never been shown to produce their purported effects outside of laboratory conditions, and some supplemented sources of antioxidants have even been shown to be a little harmful. But when we test the whole foods that contain those antioxidants, we get data like how increasing leafy green consumption has been correlated with a longer life expectancy.

And it’s similar for saturated fats and animal products. In the most established science on the matter you’ll see they don’t just talk about saturated fat alone - the science appears to show a relationship between the ratio of saturated and unsaturated fats consumed, particularly polyunsaturated fats. This book describes that science quite well-

redpenreviews.org/…/eat-drink-and-be-healthy/

But going back to that nutrients vs whole foods, there might be more than just the fats at play. This piece by Colin Campbell is a bit of a manifesto against nutritional reductionism, and suggests that the animal proteins themselves might play more of a role than we had thought:

nutritionstudies.org/is-saturated-fat-really-that…

When you put whole diets to the test, what starts to become most consistent is how the most whole-plant-dominant diets by far achieve the most remarkable results. It’s apparent in the Adventist Health Studies, the Esselstyn Heart Disease Reversal diet, as well as Dean Ornishes full lifestyle intervention program. The latter two claim they can reverse heart disease, which is a controversial claim. More study is needed to prove whether that’s true or false, but regardless it’s still apparent that these fully plant-based dietary interventions do more than any others to restore people to good health.

And it’s a thing where science and personal experience match. If you check out the online whole-food plant-based support communities, you see people routinely report almost miraculous changes to their health and wellbeing in a matter of weeks or even days. It’s the kind of thing that once you experience it fully enough, you don’t want to go back.

adventisthealthstudy.org/…/findings-lifestyle-die…

my.clevelandclinic.org/…/esselstyn-program

www.ornish.com

MilitantVegan OP ,

Only replying to your last point, and on that I only have to say that perfection is the enemy of greatness. The vegan philosophy is about doing the best we can, within practical limits. I can’t stop myself from breathing or my mere existence causing harm to beings I can’t even see, but doing more feasible actions like abstaining from animal consumption and electing not to purchase or use other animal products has substantial benefits that are felt.

MilitantVegan OP ,

Compared to the other 90% of our evolutionary history? Not by a longshot.

nutritionfacts.org/…/flashback-friday-the-problem…

MilitantVegan OP ,

I do think the name itself is problematic. To anyone unfamiliar to the ideas, the word hints at something to do with vegetables, and yes that currently plays a role, but it’s not the point. It’s more of an animal rights milieu, and plants are only relevant at this point in time because it’s the least harmful way humans can sustain themselves for now. But that ignores that animal rights go far beyond diet, and that fact tends to get lost during any outreach since all most people are thinking about is the foods they dread to give up.

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