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People who can don't get mad and just go with the flow, how do you do it?

Here recently it seems like everything just gets under my skin so quickly and easily. It’s not that I get mad and take it out on others, it’s just the fact that I’m constantly annoyed and stressed. Something as simple as the dogs tracking some mud through the house will just ruin my mood. I know some people who would just laugh it off and clean it up. Meanwhile I’ll get pissed that I didn’t wipe their feet and be mad the entire time I’m cleaning it up. This has nothing to do with the dogs, it just an example. Any number of seemingly insignificant things can trigger me like that. Like forgetting something at the store and having to go back. I would love to be able to go, “well that sucks” and just get over it.

Waraugh ,

I trained myself over years after realizing stress was killing me, I was unpredictable to be around, and struggled to eat with any regularity which led to really bad eating habits.

What ended up working is when something would happen that upset me I would close my eyes, take a deep breath, go to a room by myself and just sit down with my eyes closed and do box breathing until my nerves settled. Then when I opened my eyes I would say to myself, ok let’s go get this mud cleaned up.

Admittedly it doesn’t work in a car, crowded location, or even work necessarily. Over years my impulse control and roll with the punches attitude really developed. Maybe too much, when my ex wife said she wanted a divorce it was kind of just an “ok, do you want me to move out or did you plan to? I’ll see what paperwork we need to fill out “.

I enjoy life so much more though. My dog peed in the laundry room shortly after coming inside and I remember a time when I would have been incredulous about it. My response was to chuckle and say “oh buddy you know not to pee inside”, grap a swiffer and throw the pad in the load of wash I was starting.

Maybe I just got older, life experience and all that. I do think the separation from what happened and box breathing exercise really helped me in being able to put things into context and just let life be life though.

CapeWearingAeroplane , (edited )

My solution, which I honestly believe leads to a much more happy life consist of two things:

Have a conscious relationship to what you can do something about. “Dog peed in laundry” is a great example. It’s already happened, there’s nothing I can do to change that, so I’ll just fix the problem. No point in getting irritated. The point is: Don’t get mad about stuff you can’t change/influence.

Always give everyone the benefit of doubt. If someone says something hurtful, like "your mother is a fat asshole™ ", I’ll try to think “maybe they have legitimate concerns about my mothers health, and legitimate concerns about how she’s treating others that I should bring up with her”, rather than immediately thinking they’re just trying to hurt me. That me be disproven in later conversation, but I believe it helps me treat others in a better way, and helps me be a more balanced person.

tamal3 ,

100%, removing myself from a situation when I start to get frustrated is key. It also helped me to realize that I was being a jerk to people. The attitude adjustments are a work in progress though, for sure.

rab ,
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I’m on antidepressants and I smoke a shit ton of weed

PancakeBrock ,

I’ve always had a personality that everyone thinks I smoke weed but I don’t.

RaspberryRobot ,

I had that personality before weed and ssris, I still do though

fruitycoder ,

I sometimes just sit down and figure out why something happened and try to figure out what I could do to fix it. If I was really mad about it I would let myself think about how far I would go to make it happen, what would I give up, what extraordinary lengths I would go to fix it. Normally, most things, are just absurd to think about like that. Like if I really didn’t want my dogs stepping in mud maybe I could get rid of all the dirt in the yard, maybe make a little AI powered spraying bot to wash their feet, maybe get a second job and hire a guy that just hangs out by my back door to wash their feet. If I’m still feeling it, I mean really think about it, I mean maybe there is a way to reduce the dirt outside, maybe a rug to clean their feet, etc. Normally I go “oh that’s WAY too much work” and I just think about the imaginary Tim that would be wiping my dog’s feet instead of me, and it makes me chuckle.

The other one is just comparing the consequences. Like what if I didn’t clean the dog’s feet. They would track mud in for sure, and ? Like, maybe, I get some mud on my feet? Maybe on the couch and on my arms? If I get mud on me, what happens? What’s the consequence of getting muddy? Is it really that bad? Can’t I just wash it off?

The latter is what my therapist helped me with, I worked a life and death kind of job for a bit, where things really had to work just right or people could get really hurt or worse, I was taking that anxiety back with me and applying it to all the little things I also wanted or cared about. I really had to take a step back more on things and go “So what?” to more things, and I got better about being able to role with the little punches again.

sloppy_diffuser ,

I’m often seen as calm even though I have my frustrated outbursts. The one thing I make sure to do is not direct that frustration towards other living things.

As you mentioned in the dog analogy, I’ll outwardly vocalize what I could have done to avoid the situation and own the blame. I have a couple dogs as well. If I’m upset enough that I notice a change in their behavior I’ll play with them to show its okay. Now that I think about it, they started bringing me toys when I’m upset which has a calming effect on its own.

I want other people witnessing my tantrum to understand I’m frustrated with myself. There is always something I could have done to improve/avoid the situation. On the rare occasion I’m unable to self regulate I’ll remove myself and take time to reflect. Sometimes it takes a night of sleep.

I’ve lived with a number of narcissistic and borderline personality types throughout my life. Seeing and experiencing the damage one can do with anger, I’ve made it a core principal to never project my own shortcomings onto another living thing.

For situations where one could not have done anything, I’ll resort to assertiveness principals if I’m not okay with another’s behavior or accept the the situation and go into “fix it” mode to mitigate what’s in my control.

Key point I suppose is to remove anger, shaming, eluded ignorance, and other forms of manipulative behaviors as a means to control others and to see every frustration as a test of my principals.

TheActualDevil ,

To maybe build on this a little, as someone who grew up in a household with a parent with anger issues who would take their own frustrations out on the family, it definitely helps as something to avoid, but I’ve found that my inward reactions have gotten better as well once I realized that anger being my immediate reaction was due to growing up in an environment where that was normalized. Even if at the time it could be frightening and I knew even then that it was bad, the human brain is funny and children are impressionable.

I was in my 30s before I came to terms with the fact that my anger issues, however well controlled the outbursts were and no matter how much I avoided letting other people know it was happening, they were still there and I was still following in the steps of my father emotionally. And recognizing that it’s not how everyone feels and it’s not just “how my brain works,” but conditioning, and conditioning that can be broken. Similarly, I would remove myself and reflect, but I’d start to focus less on me and my reactions and force more empathy by thinking about the person or thing or situation and what led to me being upset. Eventually it got to the point where now my immediate reaction is to rationalize the situation before I emotionally respond. If I think through it and I feel I should actually still be upset, then I can confront it, but in calmer and more rational state, confident that I’m probably justified.

It still happens sometimes. Mostly it’s the normal irritability that everyone feels when they’re stressed or tired. And sometimes that old habit comes back and I react a little more hotly than I should for no reason. I have cats that, like your dogs, even if the anger is not directed anywhere near them, they get scared. Seeing that pulls me out real quick and I’ll calm down if only just to calm them, then give then scritches and pats to let them know it’s okay and they’re safe. So I’d probably say that even just having them around has given me a little accountability to help as well and made it easier to avoid. Say I’m having one of those days where I’m just clumsy and uncoordinated and keep dropping or breaking things. I get real close, but my reaction will immediately be to think about making sure they don’t get upset. I think it helps over-wright that anger conditioning with conditioning myself to focus on something else.

So the conclusion I’ve come to, literally just now while typing all this since I haven’t given it a ton of active thought before, is that the conditioning to that reaction has to be broken, and that’s usually easier by replacing it so you don’t even go to anger, but to something else every time. As every therapist I’ve ever been to says, you also can’t feel shame or upset with yourself for the anger. It’s a thing that you want to work on and the bet way to fix it is to dispassionately view it and work on it. Beating yourself up will only make it worse.

MrAlternateTape ,

I have been stressed out about everything in the past, but I worked through a lot of things.

The main thing for me is acceptence. I accept whatever comes at me, and I deal with it.

Missed the bus? I accept that that is the new situation, and then start thinking about how to deal with the consequences. Do I need to inform somebody that I will be later, or do I need to do anything else? Is there a different route I can take?

And what is also important, I watch myself. I make sure I get enough sleep and I have some time for myself to chill. It helps if you are not tired or burned out. I have been tired and burned out and it makes me far more emotional and unpredictable.

I accept that I am not in control of a lot of things. But I can always control my response to those things. If somebody is trying to piss me off, I can stay calm and that puts me in control of the situation.

I also realized that bad moods are contagious. If somebody was in a bad mood around me I would pick it up too. But now I figured, why? I don’t want somebody elses state of mind to control mine. So I accept that they are in a bad mood, and choose to keep my mood going.

I choose to control myself in all circumstances, no matter how crazy, and it makes me happier and less stressed. I’m still not perfect but I feel a lot better a lot of the time.

And it’s a great practice for emergency situations too. I’ve been able to solve some things rather quickly just by not panicking and making the right calls to give some things priority over others.

franglais ,

Get enough sleep, is my first and most important strategy.

fury ,

It took me a lot of practice. I used to get mad at everything too. Almost violently so (hence the username “fury”). I realized over time I don’t want to spend that much effort being mad at anything. It’s not worth it. I’m going grey fast enough as it is without willingly adding to it. I’d rather focus my energy on something more enjoyable.

Except Bing Chat. Bing Chat can go take a long walk off a short pier, and I wish everybody who worked on Bing Chat a very “good heavens what were you thinking”. Give me back my regular search results, thank you very much.

Daxtron2 ,

Why are you using bing in the first place

Daxtron2 ,

Meds, weed, accepting that everything you worry about probably won’t matter in a few years anyway so why bother getting mad about it.

agitatedpotato ,

I would love to be able to go, “well that sucks” and just get over it.

From someone who can still go with then flow even when the flow seems like its from a sewage plant: That’s the neat part, I don’t get over it. I can either move forward in a way that’s best for me, or I can just let myself react without thinking about it, get a hollow sense of catharsis, and put myself in a worse situation where I’m gonna need more than a hollow sense of catharsis.

Pulptastic ,

Yeah, it’s about looking forward and never backwards. How can I best move on from here? Clean the shit off the floor and set up some reliable system of cleaning their feet after muddy walks to prevent getting more shit on the floor. Getting angry doesn’t help anything, the pragmatic approach is to fix the now and make it better next time.

calypsopub ,

For me it was getting sober and specifically the serenity prayer. I have a terrible temper. Like break things and punch people temper. It’s always embarrassing to lose control like that. Well, saying that prayer reminds me that there are things I can control and things I can’t. Serenity is understanding the difference and accepting your powerlessness over things like the past, other people’s thoughts and actions, and even your own flaws. I am so calm now, I just have a “not my circus, not my monkeys” attitude most of the time. Occasionally, something starts to push my buttons and I have to walk away if possible, but that’s rare.

Also, make sure you’re getting enough sleep and try cutting out caffeine. Anything that causes more cortisol production is going to stress you.

eupraxia ,
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Wasn’t really allowed to harbor or express anger as a kid. Now I can’t summon an ounce of rage, even when it’s appropriate and helpful. It’s not ideal, so I spend a lot of time meditating, dropping away other emotions in hopes of finding a spark of something in there. Nothing yet, but I’ve found a number of other useful things in the process.

Mindfulness is a great skill to build to debug issues like this. It’s slow, painful sometimes, and doesn’t always feel worthwhile, but it’s definitely worth taking the time to try meditating to get closer to your base emotions and how they appear.

Worth remembering too that what you’re looking for probably isn’t a huge shift in thinking, at least in the short term. Incremental progress over time is all it takes. Some people are shades of tightly wound and that’s okay. You’re who you are for a reason and it’s worth being kind to yourself when unhelpful thoughts appear. Not to excuse yourself of behavior you don’t want to maintain, but to care for and guide yourself toward a simple step in the right direction.

lurker2718 ,

I cannot recommend mindfulness enough, as already suggested by many others in this thread.

I think, you said you are already in therapy? In this case, I would definitely talk with your therapist about this and things you want to adopt beforehand. If you want a simple concrete tip, you could try the “mindfulness coach” by the US department of veteran affairs. I liked it a lot and the apps from there get good privacy recommendations from mozilla.

I am a bit suprised by the many people recommending to just stop giving fucks. Is this what you really want? Or do you just want avoid the emotions of taking control?

horse_called_proletariat ,
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breathing exercises, intense exercise, taking timeout to think about about all your stressors and what actions you can take to reduce them in meaningful ways. i also get really mad and stressed out and close to shutting down sometimes/often. im trying to get into a DBT skills course on top of what i already mentioned as things that have been helpful for me but yeah

phpinjected ,

Punch a homeless dude

axont ,

it depends on what I’m getting mad at. For instance, I don’t tend to argue/yell/confront people in real life. I only get mad at people if it’s online. In real life if I can look into someone’s eyes I’ll feel different about it. If it’s some racist person or someone being annoying, I look in their eyes and often see a little kid trying to rile people up, so I just feel sad. Or sometimes I’ll see nothing in their eyes. If someone is pure evil, I just don’t sense their soul anymore, so getting emotionally invested in them is like throwing a bucket of water into a black hole. Anger at them would go nowhere. I dismiss people like that, acknowledge what they are, and tell them to stop doing whatever they’re doing. Don’t say racist or transphobic or whatever stuff around me, simple as that, you know? usually being direct works the best. I have a 100% success rate so far, because people like that do get embarrassed easily if they’re in public, trying to confide something bigoted with me, then I’m not having it.

Anger at situations though? I don’t deal with that in a healthy way at all. I turn all of it into self-hatred. I blame myself for every problem I have. If there’s a way out of doing that, I’d love to know, because this sucks.

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