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guacupado ,

“Have to go through a union instead of a supervisor or manager.”

Like anyone wants to go to an Amazon manager.

const_void ,

That was my first thought. Sounds like a great benefit.

NBJack ,

“Hey Manager Amy Zone, can I have a bit of time off for my leg to heal? It was just partially crushed by a stack of Prime Day boxes.”

“Employee 3869310, in the time it took you to get across the warehouse to ask me that dumbass question, you just used up the last of your bathroom breaks for the day. As an act of mercy, here’s my empty Amazon Basics Hyrdration Drink bottle. Just try not to piss all over the floor when you use it. Now get your ass back to work!”

random65837 ,

There’s also the fact that that’s not true.

Anticorp ,

How is this legal?

Nipplecreek ,

I work for a massive massive corp and we watch anti union videos (it’s required) I think once a year in our online courses.

JokeDeity ,

Almost everywhere I’ve ever worked has forced me to sit through anti union videos, but the place I’m currently at had by far the longest, most forceful and blatantly filled with fabrication video by far. It’s not at all surprising to say that it’s BY FAR the worst job I’ve ever had in my life. Don’t work for Big Lots if you can find ANYTHING else guys, it’s not worth the pain.

Anticorp ,

Sorry you had to go through that. I’m pretty sure Walmart is just as bad, with Target and any similar store trailing close behind.

JokeDeity ,

I highly doubt it. I’ve worked many retail jobs including several other stores, none came even in the same ballpark as being as bad as Big Lots.

ZombieTheZombieCat ,

Went through the same thing with Ross. Absolute shit show of a company and they treat their workers like trash. Of course we had to sit through a blatant anti union video the first day.

phoenixz ,

People shoukd go into a video screening like that and all collectively (get it?) bring eggs and toss them when that anti union video starts

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

That’s the best part! It’s not!

But since nobody actually enforces the laws that make this illegal, everybody fucking does it. I can’t think of a single job I’ve ever worked that didn’t have anti-union posters except for the one job I’ve had that was union.

GBU_28 ,

Wait how is passive illegal? I thought the intimidation had to be active

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

It depends on the state. For a majority of states like California and Minnesota? Illegal. Texas? They can force you to go to anti-union meetings and more and it’s legal.

not_that_guy05 ,

These posters make me want to organize.

tacosanonymous ,

It tells me that they think paying for graphics, ads etc are just a fraction of what I can gain.

toasteecup ,

Same. They also want to make me commit acts of civil disobedience such as tearing all of them down.

nilloc ,

I suspect that’s why it’s hanging right above the fingerprint/face scanner punchcard kiosk.

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Email the IWW, they’ll give you manuals.

not_that_guy05 ,

Part of a union already UC system. They helped us get additional sick hours and pay during COVID. Plus additional time off.

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Expanding the connections of the labor movement is never a bad thing. You never know when you’ll need help from a steel workers union, teamsters, etc.

fmstrat ,

The first repost bot to make my All feed.

BreadJuice ,

What is the job of this bot? reposting reddit here?

fmstrat ,

Seems that way (look at it’s profile). Interesting timing given I recently commented in a post where I said that some people do like these bots (even if I don’t).

IronpigsWizard ,

It is always the same tactic again and again and again. Constant variations of, “unions steal your money via dues and you have no guarantee of benefits then, but you do right now”.

It’s exhausting.

The same tactic, damn near the same words, are used for the same purpose since at least the 1800s. It works well enough that they just slightly modernize the language and that is that.

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    gsf ,

    Which grocery store and which union

    SoleInvictus ,
    @SoleInvictus@lemmy.world avatar

    Seriously, I’ve never heard of a union whose dues are 25%.

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    Adalast ,

    If you belonged to a union that brought you below minimum wage with dues, then something very wrong was going on. (disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I just care about my rights A LOT) The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) defines the minimum wage and specifically prevents employers from deducting the costs of doing business from employee wages. Things like equipment, uniforms, cash drawer shortages, broken merchandise, etc. The FLAS does permit deductions for things like unemployment insurance, health savings accounts, etc., and does include union dues as exempt and able to be deducted as a general statement. That said, the two are not intrinsically linked. The FLSA generally states that minimum wage is the MINIMUM. I was not able to find an exhaustive list of exemptions, but what I did find was slim to say the least. I’m pretty sure that them reducing your wage below minimum with union dues, which were supposed to be voluntary as well, was illegal. I am more than open to being corrected though and I would love to have a referral to the FLSA section that codifies it.

    sin_free_for_00_days ,

    Sounds like a union bought off by the corporation. Most unions are very beneficial to workers.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    That sounds less than believable.

    38fhh2f8th5819c7 ,

    I call bullshit. Care to name the company and the union?

    Kind ,

    If conditions were left up to corporations children would still be working, we’d be doing 12 hours a day 6 days a week and Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol would be an autobiography on the current bestsellers list.

    Corporations are interested in making profits, paying shareholders, managers getting their bonuses, workers are don’t make the top 10.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    "Oh no, I'll have to go through someone who actually has my interests at heart and not my shitty manager! Damn unions!"

    Buddahriffic ,

    And no, you don’t have to go through the union instead of your supervisor/manager. In my union job, they’d send a witness/advocate along with someone if they had an issue where a manager was involved.

    The union was corrupt, but despite that it was still the best factory job I’ve worked in (ok another one was also not bad but that was mostly because no one really gave a fuck about the stupid shit there and everyone just did their jobs without fucking with each other). The pay was high enough that when I was looking for something better, I realized a certification I had started wasn’t going to mean more money, just different work for similar money.

    brygphilomena ,

    Yea. I had a shop steward sit in on all my meetings with management. They represent the union, it’s influence, and it’s contract. They make sure everyone is playing by the rules and management doesn’t take advantage of an employee that doesn’t know labor laws, policies and procedures, their work contract, or the union contract.

    It wasn’t a requirement for meeting with management, but it was something a manager could not refuse if requested by the employee. Any meeting with management would be delayed until a shop steward was available.

    I was a strong advocate for every employee to have one with all meetings with management.

    Buddahriffic ,

    Yeah, Amazon is trying to present it as extra red tape everyone will have to deal with, but it’s really the union will help you get through the company’s red tape. The union’s red tape is more about its own power structure, which will have the usual problems that go along with any kind of power, but the union still serves to balance the employer’s power.

    trashxeos ,

    Exactly. Also, if you ever hear saying “you won’t have a say, the union speaks FOR you” (yes I’ve seen this framing before) you can always respond that you ARE the union! That’s the entire point is that everyone in the union IS the union, it’s right there in the word.

    Bipta ,

    It's not a guarantee they have your interests and heart, but your odds are a lot better than your supervisor having your interests and heart.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    Your supervisor has a duty to put the good of the company ahead of the good of the employee or they're risking their own jobs.

    clumsyninza ,

    Why don’t people understand this simple fact ?

    unoriginalsin ,

    It’s not a guarantee they have your interests and heart

    No, but it’s at least in their job description to act accordingly.

    wreckedcarzz ,
    @wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

    interests and heart

    Yeah, I hate it when my supervisor steals my vital organs.

    Endorkend ,
    @Endorkend@kbin.social avatar

    That's why I advise anyone who has anything important happening to them to first seek advise from an organization that deals with worker rights, a union or a lawyer, as HR are there to protect the company, not to help you.

    If they help you, it's only because that's what's beneficial to the company and their personal allegiances in the company.

    EmperorHenry ,
    @EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    One of the many reasons why I refuse to buy anything on amazon.

    penquin ,

    They have only one argument, and it’s pathetic and not even true. Dues without guarantee. lol

    givesomefucks ,

    It doesn’t matter what their argument is, Amazon workers are probably smart enough to realize any anti-union advertising is because unions are good for workers and bad for Amazon.

    I can’t believe imagine there’s a single Amazon worker who thinks Amazon has their best interest at heart or would spend money to save their employees money.

    penquin ,

    I guess those managers who fight the workers do believe that Amazon has their best interest at heart.

    ThatFembyWho ,

    Believe it. I’m sure a factor in where Amazon locates its facilities is union presence and support, along with cost of living and education level. That is to say, lower income areas with an undereducated population and strong anti-labor politics. Obviously not possible in every region but a lot of the US is like a whole other world when you travel just outside the city.

    At my FC, I would say 50% at best would even consider the question. MAGA/Trump support runs deep there. Nobody likes the company, yet they will happily take its side over their coworkers…

    audiomodder ,

    Isn’t this illegal?

    Ensign_Crab ,

    Corporations do it, so yes but functionally hell no.

    li10 ,

    Yeah, I thought it was wildly illegal for a company to try and directly influence union action?

    CoffeeJunkie ,

    No, they are free to speak & have policies & put up little posters. At WalMart ~15 yrs ago we were made to watch an anti-union video & it basically amounted to assurances that we can trust MGMT with anything; they will be fair & do the right thing. Lol

    Now I don’t know when it came about, think it’s relatively new, but if there’s a union trying to form & the company goes out of their way to “bust” it, the union is supposed to be automatically recognized. IIRC.

    darthelmet ,

    It’s only illegal if you don’t have enough money to influence the labor board. :P

    Chetzemoka , (edited )

    It’s only illegal for them to lie. This fits in the very narrow gray area of what they’re allowed to say because technically it’s not untrue. No contract in the world guarantees anything will or will not happen. A contract gives you the ammunition to sue the person you entered into the agreement with, if that person (or corporation) violates the agreed upon terms. So a union contract still gives you leverage and power over a corporation, but technically it doesn’t guarantee the terms of the contract will happen.

    Edit to clarify: I’m not suggesting the anti-union propaganda has any validity. Just that they get away with this because technically it’s not lying.

    unoriginalsin ,

    Since non-union workers already don’t have any pay guarantee, the only difference would be you have someone who is literally paid to act in your interest that you get to talk to instead of your corporate overlords. And all your fellow workers will stop production to guarantee that Amazon doesn’t get any work done until they agree to raise wages.

    wandermind ,

    So basically they’re saying, “why would you join a union because even if you manage to negotiate good terms, you can’t trust that we will keep our word”?

    dangblingus ,

    THIS IS THE ACTUAL TAKEAWAY

    CoffeeJunkie ,

    No, you missed it. If there was a strike or an agreement couldn’t be reached, in that way, you are not paid by the company & there are no guarantees the union has the money, means to pay you in full or at all. In this (rare) instance, they are technically correct & not lying.

    rockSlayer ,

    these kinds of posters are only illegal in the state of Minnesota, and even in MN that law was just passed this year

    audiomodder ,

    It’s not the posters alone, it’s that they’re located with a voting machine

    rockSlayer ,

    Secret ballot elections are never held at the employer’s place of work, they are mailed to employees and then tallied at the NLRB office. That machine is something else entirely

    audiomodder ,

    Except in one of Amazon’s cases they absolutely did, complete with Amazon security guard. It’s like they don’t give 2 shits about the law

    CoffeeJunkie ,

    It’s not illegal; it’s free speech. In their own business. It is incorrect, it is false propaganda, but it’s free speech.

    That said, Amazon especially has engaged in enough illegal or at very least highly highly questionable practices in attempts to avoided workers unionizing. Such as: they had an agreement with the city to speed up a stop light, so organizers working in the parking lot didn’t have free time to effectively talk to workers leaving.

    You can get in serious trouble, fired, for talking about unionizing at work in their workplace. Their rules. But the parking lot is fair game. So…they tilted the board to favor them, even there.

    DeathWearsANecktie ,

    Yes, union life is for you. JOIN A UNION!

    divdivspan ,

    hmmm, maybe cover up that qr code with this one…? 🤭

    gotta be plenty of label printers around the warehouse this would fit on 💪 https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7d6f1279-93c2-4ef6-87d8-2a5a5ab28735.jpeg

    HawlSera ,

    The amount of effort your company goes into dissuading you from starting a Union, is proportional to how much you need one.

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS ,

    Unions protect lazy workers and friends and family.

    Literally having several issues with my union and the CEO isn’t helping me. What the fuck do I pay them for?

    American_Communist22 ,
    @American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Shut it, pig

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